aclu at it again.

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2003-08-07 13:54

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,94023,00.html

again they fuck with the boy scouts only becuase they don't let homo and atheist get in. wow, some tolerance huh? and the fucking shameful judge agreed with the aclu fuckers.

those of you think aclu is a good org need to rethink aobut it. they are not defending the constitution, they are corrupting it.
Post edited by mojo7 at 8/7/2003 2:01:07 PM

~~Snake~~

Pissed off Reptile

2003-08-07 13:57

exactly..The ACLU is a scumbag org..

GarathK

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2003-08-07 14:11

Originally posted by: mojo7

again they fuck with the boy scouts only becuase they don't let homo and atheist get in. wow, some tolerance huh?

Good.. not that I like/support/care about the ACLU, but the Boy Scouts are ridiculous.

Refusing a boy because he has admitted he is gay or does not believe in a god is shameful and counterproductive.

I think its great that the judge 'stuck it to them'.

reimero

TWL Member

2003-08-07 15:09

I have very mixed feelings about the ACLU. On the one hand, they generally tend to stick up for the lowest-life losers out there. On the other hand, they don't endorse what the low-lives are doing, they simply try to uphold these idiots' rights to do so.

If the Klan wants to march in Skokie, legally, they have the right to peaceful assembly, and the ACLU is about the only group who will argue on their behalf.

It's about the principle of the thing... even for those with no principles...

~~Snake~~

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2003-08-07 15:27

Originally posted by: reimero
I have very mixed feelings about the ACLU. On the one hand, they generally tend to stick up for the lowest-life losers out there. On the other hand, they don't endorse what the low-lives are doing, they simply try to uphold these idiots' rights to do so.

...

exactly..They once were a good organization..Now they are a special interest one...they should even be allowed to exist IMO...We would be bette served to get rid of them and have a organziation that stuck up for civil liberties, but not at the expense of anything...Not sure how you can do this, but anything would be better than them..

HopX

CS Admin

2003-08-07 15:36

What the ACLU does not realize is that by defending the so called civil liberties of one individual, they violate the civil liberties of every member of that one organization such as the boy scouts.

Now I am not homophobic or anti-gay, but every private organization has the right to limit membership to its own organization. When you force the federal government to come in and monitor, regulate, and control, you now have become part of the bureaucracy.

Should gays be allowed in the boy scouts? Who cares, it's their football and they are making the rules. The Federal Government and the ACLU need to butt out.

Now, excuse me but I have to start the HE-Man Woman Haters Club and no women are allowed. Well, only the good looking chicks need apply.

Zarious

"Sig Dr."

2003-08-07 16:09

I support the ACLU. I don't agree with 75% of the cases they take, but some one has to be the devil's advocate, to keep the government honest. As for the boyscouts, I've always thought that a private organization should be allowed to exclude any one they damn well please. But, I bet every one's view on this would be different if they wanted to exclude a boy because he was black, rather than gay or athesit.

Having said that, I think the judge's decission was wrong. I see no reason to deny the boyscouts the access to the public park. I dunno what that judge was thinking....

reimero

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2003-08-07 16:21

I'm not sure he can deny them access outright, but I get the impression that the normal fees were being waived, and THAT is what this is about.

--DestinO--

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2003-08-07 17:13

If you want to discriminate then the goverment should take you off it's employee charity list. Sorry but if you want to be a hate monger my taxes shouldn't help you raise donations.

Sparta

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2003-08-07 17:23

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: reimero
I have very mixed feelings about the ACLU. On the one hand, they generally tend to stick up for the lowest-life losers out there. On the other hand, they don't endorse what the low-lives are doing, they simply try to uphold these idiots' rights to do so.

...

exactly..They once were a good organization..Now they are a special interest one...they should even be allowed to exist IMO...We would be bette served to get rid of them and have a organziation that stuck up for civil liberties, but not at the expense of anything...Not sure how you can do this, but anything would be better than them..

Well i wish the NRA wouldnt exist, to me they are alot worse than the aclu, they are the masters of special interest, but i understand and support their right to, just as i have a right to my views, of course i have no where near the money or political influence the NRA has

Bowling for Columbine anyone?

Mockery

TWL Member

2003-08-07 17:37

Originally posted by: Sparta

Well i wish the NRA wouldnt exist, to me they are alot worse than the aclu, they are the masters of special interest, but i understand and support their right to, just as i have a right to my views, of course i have no where near the money or political influence the NRA has

Bowling for Columbine anyone?

Ohhh brother....."Bowling for Columbine"

The spin doctor him self, Michael Moore. His movies are an insult to the word documentary (IMO).

Nothing amuses me more than listening to a 300 pound man, preaching to the public, about how bad America is for their habitual problems with overindulging.

Sparta why do you hate the NRA, do you just hate guns.....or is there more to it?

Mockery

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2003-08-07 17:40

Originally posted by: --DestinO--
If you want to discriminate then the goverment should take you off it's employee charity list. Sorry but if you want to be a hate monger my taxes shouldn't help you raise donations.

Exactly....If you want to discriminate you better not be getting government aid. You better rise your funding through donations, or by some other means. Otherwise, their is a big say so in who you have to let in.

~~Snake~~

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2003-08-07 17:44

Originally posted by: Sparta
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: reimero
I have very mixed feelings about the ACLU. On the one hand, they generally tend to stick up for the lowest-life losers out there. On the other hand, they don't endorse what the low-lives are doing, they simply try to uphold these idiots' rights to do so.

...

exactly..They once were a good organization..Now they are a special interest one...they should even be allowed to exist IMO...We would be bette served to get rid of them and have a organziation that stuck up for civil liberties, but not at the expense of anything...Not sure how you can do this, but anything would be better than them..

Well i wish the NRA wouldnt exist, to me they are alot worse than the aclu, they are the masters of special interest, but i understand and support their right to, just as i have a right to my views, of course i have no where near the money or political influence the NRA has

Bowling for Columbine anyone?

The liberal Lawyers unions are teh worst IMO..they are parasites living on the system, just like the ACLU...

Why is the NRA bad..The promote something they believe in..The lawyers unions promote, SUE< SUE< SUE< SUE and SUE

Sparta

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2003-08-07 17:58

Seriously though, most lawsuits arnt frivolous, its just that people pick up on these since they are more interesting, rarly will you ever hear a win for consumer protection on the news.

And i dont like most lawyers, but we do have a system of justice in this country, so let it be.

Maybe one day youll find yourself in a position where you are suing becuase you felt wronged...

As for the NRA, they are the single most powerful/influential lobby in the country, regardless of if you are democrat or republican. I think they buy their policies/votes very efficiently, hence why i dont like them.

If you havnt notices, conservative groups tend to have alot more money to splash around in politics than the liberal ones.

Point taken, i just took that example randomly, ill be more careful in future.
Post edited by Sparta at 8/7/2003 6:02:23 PM

~~Snake~~

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2003-08-07 17:59

Originally posted by: Sparta
Uh oh, snake are you one of those that think we shouldnt have sued the Tobacco companies? Aww did we hurt the poor little tobacoo guys, makes me wana cry lol.

Seriously though, most lawsuits arnt frivolous, its just that people pick up on these since they are more interesting, rarly will you ever hear a win for consumer protection on the news.

And i dont like most lawyers, but we do have a system of justice in this country, so let it be.

Maybe one day youll find yourself in a position where you are suing becuase you felt wronged...

As for the NRA, they are the single most powerful/influential lobby in the country, regardless of if you are democrat or republican. I think they buy their policies/votes very efficiently, hence why i dont like them.

If you havnt notices, conservative groups tend to have alot more money to splash around in politics than the liberal ones.

Before you classify me into a group..Please at least ask me about my view..i am 100% against them FYI..I have had people I know die from it..

I have been courteous to you so far...Do not push it any further..

=NCG=Leonidas

Pure Concentrated Ownage

2003-08-07 18:03

Quick point. YES a private organization has every right to deny entrace to anybody it wishes.

HOWEVER the boy scouts receive federal funding and assistance. Thus they must follow the ame rules as everybody else who accepts government assistance and one of those qualifications is that they can't discriminate.

SO the Boy scouts can deny whoever they want but they then need to mark RETURN TO SENDER on that big government assistance they receive.
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Mockery

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2003-08-07 18:59

Originally posted by: Sparta
Seriously though, most lawsuits arnt frivolous, its just that people pick up on these since they are more interesting, rarly will you ever hear a win for consumer protection on the news.

And i dont like most lawyers, but we do have a system of justice in this country, so let it be.

Maybe one day youll find yourself in a position where you are suing becuase you felt wronged...

As for the NRA, they are the single most powerful/influential lobby in the country, regardless of if you are democrat or republican. I think they buy their policies/votes very efficiently, hence why i dont like them.

If you havnt notices, conservative groups tend to have alot more money to splash around in politics than the liberal ones.

Point taken, i just took that example randomly, ill be more careful in future.

Most Republican candidates consist of wealthy people to begin with. (Ie. the California Governor case.)
Many of them are ex-(or current) CEO's, or wealthier members of society. So they are more likely to have money, to frivolously toss around for political gain.

Darrel Issa---Millionaire (without fund raising)
Bill Simon ----Millionaire (without fund raising)
Arnold------Millionaire (without fund raising)

I seriously doubt that the NRA is responsible for any more campaign contributions than any other major special interest groups are. It's quit the opposite here in California. I hope you hate Gray Davis, since your logic expresses animosity towards campaign contributing PACS (which I totally fell are the #1 cause of all political corruption).

~~Snake~~

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2003-08-07 19:01

thats why I like arnold Mock..He is already rich as hell..special interests are not gonna buy him...

kevin184

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2003-08-07 19:02

Originally posted by: mojo7

again they fuck with the boy scouts only becuase they don't let homo and atheist get in. wow, some tolerance huh? and the fucking shameful judge agreed with the aclu fuckers.

why shouldnt they be allowed in?

Rock the 40 oz.

~~Snake~~

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2003-08-07 19:03

Originally posted by: kevin184
Originally posted by: mojo7

again they fuck with the boy scouts only becuase they don't let homo and atheist get in. wow, some tolerance huh? and the fucking shameful judge agreed with the aclu fuckers.

why shouldnt they be allowed in?

why should the gov't be able to enforce gays access to a private group kevin...Its their group and they should be able to allow or not allow anyone they see fit...

Sparta

TWL Member

2003-08-07 19:14

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Quick point. YES a private organization has every right to deny entrace to anybody it wishes.

HOWEVER the boy scouts receive federal funding and assistance. Thus they must follow the ame rules as everybody else who accepts government assistance and one of those qualifications is that they can't discriminate.

SO the Boy scouts can deny whoever they want but they then need to mark RETURN TO SENDER on that big government assistance they receive.

Razer_guy

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2003-08-07 19:46

Originally posted by: Sparta
Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Quick point. YES a private organization has every right to deny entrace to anybody it wishes.

HOWEVER the boy scouts receive federal funding and assistance. Thus they must follow the ame rules as everybody else who accepts government assistance and one of those qualifications is that they can't discriminate.

SO the Boy scouts can deny whoever they want but they then need to mark RETURN TO SENDER on that big government assistance they receive.

Thread over. That pretty much sums it up

Naut

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2003-08-07 19:53

If the Boy Scouts turned down a kid simply because he is a homosexual.. then I support the ACLU in this one instance.

the wierdo

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2003-08-07 20:31

i think the ACLU is a necessary evil, even though most of the time they defend scum, the scum they are defending are citizens and unfortunately deserve their rights (an example that someone brought up is the KKK). however, in this case i thoroughly agree with what they are doing since the boy scouts receives federal funding.

~~Snake~~

Pissed off Reptile

2003-08-07 20:45

Originally posted by: the wierdo
i think the ACLU is a necessary evil, even though most of the time they defend scum, the scum they are defending are citizens and unfortunately deserve their rights (an example that someone brought up is the KKK). however, in this case i thoroughly agree with what they are doing since the boy scouts receives federal funding.

While I agree in Principle they should exist...They also defy the boundries of normal law defense that sicken me...

the wierdo

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2003-08-07 21:15

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: the wierdo
i think the ACLU is a necessary evil, even though most of the time they defend scum, the scum they are defending are citizens and unfortunately deserve their rights (an example that someone brought up is the KKK). however, in this case i thoroughly agree with what they are doing since the boy scouts receives federal funding.

While I agree in Principle they should exist...They also defy the boundries of normal law defense that sicken me...

what do u mean the boundaries of normal law defense, as in the tactics they use, or the cases they take on?

~~Snake~~

Pissed off Reptile

2003-08-07 21:20

Cases they take on...I am 100% behind our system..The problem is because our system is so visiable and apparent, it gives the ACLU IMO more power in suing over frivilous things than it shouldn't..

For Example.

I live in Dublin, Ohio...We have a highschool student who gets busted with coke...This isnt his first offense...He is kicked off the team...The ACLU steps in because he is black(in a mostly 75%white, 25%black0school district...They say its racial...

The paper interviews players, who even support him getting kicked off..He signed a agreement saying he wouldnt drink or do drugs..

The ACLU thrives off this shit....They always try to make it a racial issue..When CLEARLY its right versus wrong..
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 8/7/2003 9:21:34 PM

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Pure Concentrated Ownage

2003-08-07 21:25

Maybe Snake but in this case it's not a matter of race. It's a matter of an organization accepting taxpayer money turning around and refusing to accept taxpayers. This is unacceptable according to the current laws which govern said activity and thus in this case the ACLU was in fact fighting the good fight by reinforcing a precedent which protects the uses towards which your tax money can be spent
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the wierdo

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2003-08-07 21:26

yeah, times like that they are 100% wrong and they are definitely leaning more towards the evil part of "necessary evil". ahhh screw it not leaning, they took a running leap into the evil part

~~Snake~~

Pissed off Reptile

2003-08-07 21:28

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Maybe Snake but in this case it's not a matter of race. It's a matter of an organization accepting taxpayer money turning around and refusing to accept taxpayers. This is unacceptable according to the current laws which govern said activity and thus in this case the ACLU was in fact fighting the good fight by reinforcing a precedent which protects the uses towards which your tax money can be spent

I did not realize that they took gov't money..so in this case I do agreee with you...I wasn't aware they got gov't assistance..

=NCG=Leonidas

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2003-08-07 23:10

OMG I changed Snake's mind. Sing hallelujah on high and send some firewood down to hell cause it is freezing down there
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kevin184

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2003-08-07 23:11

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Maybe Snake but in this case it's not a matter of race. It's a matter of an organization accepting taxpayer money turning around and refusing to accept taxpayers. This is unacceptable according to the current laws which govern said activity and thus in this case the ACLU was in fact fighting the good fight by reinforcing a precedent which protects the uses towards which your tax money can be spent

I did not realize that they took gov't money..so in this case I do agreee with you...I wasn't aware they got gov't assistance..

IMO its still wrongful descrimination whether they get gov't funding or not. Why shouldn't little Tommy be able to go camping and do fundraisers just because he likes boys or doesnt beleive in god

Rock the 40 oz.

~~Snake~~

Pissed off Reptile

2003-08-07 23:11

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
OMG I changed Snake's mind. Sing hallelujah on high and send some firewood down to hell cause it is frozen now

Several of you have changed my mind through thougtful debate and well presented argumentss...I am just not stating who..hehehee

Naut

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2003-08-07 23:37

Alright I just watched the Oreilly Factor

While I TOTALLY DISAGREE with Bill's opinion on this, I did collect some very interesting information. Did you know that if you are gay, do not beleive in the Christian form of God, or are Atheist - that you are not allowed to join the Boy Scouts?

That is a load of bullshit in my opinion. I am all for the Boy Scouts.. you probably learn a lot of useful stuff in there including discipline. Why should it only be limited to people of a certain religion? I can tell you why.. because the Boy Scouts are a religous organization, and sexist.

They should NOT receive goverment funding.

I challenge anyone here to tell me why the goverment should not cut off all funding to this organization by next week.

-Drake

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2003-08-08 01:33

Originally posted by: GarathK
Originally posted by: mojo7

again they fuck with the boy scouts only becuase they don't let homo and atheist get in. wow, some tolerance huh?

Good.. not that I like/support/care about the ACLU, but the Boy Scouts are ridiculous.

Refusing a boy because he has admitted he is gay or does not believe in a god is shameful and counterproductive.

I think its great that the judge 'stuck it to them'.

its not the boys id worry about...its the gay scout leaders that want to take your childeren into the woods with no other supervision and teach them about " open mindedness " that i'd worry about...
a gay little boy ( and how do they even know at this young age ) has already made his decisions.....but, to let them corrupt the minds of otherwise healthy childeren..not to mention molest them, is wrong.

If u think for one second this wont happen...
well, noone ever thought a PRIEST would molest their kids, in a church, in full view of the comminuty...

hey if ur SURE you want to send ur kids alone into the woods with a large gay man....more power to ya.. but, I sure as hell wouldnt.
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2003-08-08 01:37

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Cases they take on...I am 100% behind our system..The problem is because our system is so visiable and apparent, it gives the ACLU IMO more power in suing over frivilous things than it shouldn't..

For Example.

I live in Dublin, Ohio...We have a highschool student who gets busted with coke...This isnt his first offense...He is kicked off the team...The ACLU steps in because he is black(in a mostly 75%white, 25%black0school district...They say its racial...

The paper interviews players, who even support him getting kicked off..He signed a agreement saying he wouldnt drink or do drugs..

The ACLU thrives off this shit....They always try to make it a racial issue..When CLEARLY its right versus wrong..

I agree...everything is a racist issue with them. If it involves a black person..no matter what the situation...the balck is treated as a victom who was outragiously attacked and beatten down by the white society....
oh and anything that will grab a headline, they will jump into, even if it has nothing at all to do with them...

isn't the ACLU run by a black muslim?
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2003-08-08 01:46

As I've already stated in a prior thread :: if you get into a couple of deviant psychology classes you will find that an overwhelming majority of child molestors are either straight or attracted to children only. If you want to talk about the gay lifestyle being deviant that's one thing but trying to say that gays are the ones molesting children just doesnt hold water.

NOTE: I am NOT advocating gay scout leaders. what i am trying to do is dispel a commonly held myth that keeps getting brought up every time ppl start this debate.
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mojo7

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2003-08-09 07:48

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
As I've already stated in a prior thread :: if you get into a couple of deviant psychology classes you will find that an overwhelming majority of child molestors are either straight or attracted to children only. If you want to talk about the gay lifestyle being deviant that's one thing but trying to say that gays are the ones molesting children just doesnt hold water.

NOTE: I am NOT advocating gay scout leaders. what i am trying to do is dispel a commonly held myth that keeps getting brought up every time ppl start this debate.

why don't we allow men handling little girls then? it's the same logic right?

i don't think the boy scouts take fed fund. they get theri money thru donations, fundraiser, and united way like charities.

it's not that they don't let atheists in their org. it's the atheists refuse to say the word "God" in the oath. it's the atheists try to go into your house and try to change your house rule. ask yourself a question. will u every let someone do that in your house? all they have to do is to say it and move along. but no, those fuckers need to fight to US supreme court and try to bring the word God out in a private org. who's the one being intolerance here?

and one thing u may not know about the story. the city of SD may rent the park to scout for a dolloar but it's the scouts who put millions of dollars to renovate and maintain the park. did u know about that? the scouts are not getting a favor. they may end up losing money at the end.

*RWG*Jackal

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2003-08-09 08:49

If they take federal dollars then they shouldnt descrimanate. If they dont then its their club thier rules. I dont feel everyone has to know Im straight and I dont care if your gay. But why does someone feel I need to know they are gay? If you cannot tolerate me as I tolerate you then I am not going to use the ACLU, The courts or any other means to force you to be with me. The word "God" is used genericly. If you are an athiest humanity or science would be your "God". If they said Jesus, Ala, Buhda, etc etc. then there would be a problem. So many times I have seen people own in a game and say"I am God" I dont think they are trying to say they are an omnipatant being and the creator of all, but I could be wrong. I am amazed how many athiest get thier panties in a bunch about the word God in a pledge or on money. Most of them worship money, and hurl "God Damnits" like its thier job. We live in a Republic NOT a democracy, Majority rules NOT Minority. I believe everyone is equel and should be treated as so, but when people start to demand special treatment because they are differant I feel I can then treat them differant, and thats not always a good thing.

As for the NRA. The NRA does not use frivoulous law suits to get thier way. Special interest? Every one that lobbies the governmaent is a special interest. But unlike the NRA they are not fighting for 68% of the countries population. In a country of nearly 300 million over 200 million own a fire arm(legaly). I would hardly call that a special interst.
Post edited by *RWG*Jackal at 8/9/2003 8:51:04 AM

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2003-08-09 12:13

Sorry Mojo but as usual your statements are without basis. the boy Scouts ARE federally funded nad if you really want the proof your gonna have to go bug Snake. i've put up with your shenanigans too many times to waste my time indulging your ignorance on yet another subject. And you need to restate the first part of your reply so that we can tell specifically what your talking about. Straight men gay men?? be more specific.
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