Originally posted by: Naut
Nope. Look at the people making the allegations. Many democrats or anti-war nuts just can't stand to see us make such a dramatic and succesfull operation - and therefor when faced with facts, they claim we made it all up.
-Naut
Originally posted by: Naut
Nope. Look at the people making the allegations. Many democrats or anti-war nuts just can't stand to see us make such a dramatic and succesfull operation - and therefor when faced with facts, they claim we made it all up.
-Naut
Originally posted by: mojo7
your entire post here make no sense.
i didn't call any anti bush ppl un-patriotic. it's another lie that the lefts put on the stage.
as for clinton. how can u not blast that guy when he commite a crime and still in office.
landing an aircraft on USS abe is not ok because it wasted tax payer money (according to dem) but it's ok to get a bj in the oval office (funded by the tax payers)
u need to stop those lies man.
Originally posted by: Alphamale
Originally posted by: mojo7
your entire post here make no sense.
i didn't call any anti bush ppl un-patriotic. it's another lie that the lefts put on the stage.
as for clinton. how can u not blast that guy when he commite a crime and still in office.
landing an aircraft on USS abe is not ok because it wasted tax payer money (according to dem) but it's ok to get a bj in the oval office (funded by the tax payers)
u need to stop those lies man.
And precicely what am I personally lying about? Please, for the love of god, try to respond with something readable.
So I paid for Clintons hummer? OH baby, thats rich. I suppose you dont mind paying 55 MILLION dollars for the subsequent investigation into this national emergency either.
Originally posted by: Vlasic
Originally posted by: Alphamale
Originally posted by: mojo7
your entire post here make no sense.
i didn't call any anti bush ppl un-patriotic. it's another lie that the lefts put on the stage.
as for clinton. how can u not blast that guy when he commite a crime and still in office.
landing an aircraft on USS abe is not ok because it wasted tax payer money (according to dem) but it's ok to get a bj in the oval office (funded by the tax payers)
u need to stop those lies man.
And precicely what am I personally lying about? Please, for the love of god, try to respond with something readable.
So I paid for Clintons hummer? OH baby, thats rich. I suppose you dont mind paying 55 MILLION dollars for the subsequent investigation into this national emergency either.
Wouldn't have happened if slick willy could have kept his panis in his pants in the first place.
Originally posted by: Vlasic
Originally posted by: Alphamale
Originally posted by: mojo7
your entire post here make no sense.
i didn't call any anti bush ppl un-patriotic. it's another lie that the lefts put on the stage.
as for clinton. how can u not blast that guy when he commite a crime and still in office.
landing an aircraft on USS abe is not ok because it wasted tax payer money (according to dem) but it's ok to get a bj in the oval office (funded by the tax payers)
u need to stop those lies man.
And precicely what am I personally lying about? Please, for the love of god, try to respond with something readable.
So I paid for Clintons hummer? OH baby, thats rich. I suppose you dont mind paying 55 MILLION dollars for the subsequent investigation into this national emergency either.
Wouldn't have happened if slick willy could have kept his panis in his pants in the first place.
Originally posted by: Wonka
sorry but the bj cost money cause they tried to go after clinton. There is a hugh difference between trying to impeach a president and landing on a aircraft carrier. Also ones extremely a pure waste of money. Also you think that all the others presidents never got a hummer in the office? You telling me george bush senor settled for his nasty ass wife over some intern.
Originally posted by: Vlasic
Originally posted by: Wonka
sorry but the bj cost money cause they tried to go after clinton. There is a hugh difference between trying to impeach a president and landing on a aircraft carrier. Also ones extremely a pure waste of money. Also you think that all the others presidents never got a hummer in the office? You telling me george bush senor settled for his nasty ass wife over some intern.
You're assuming an intern would go for that guy.
Slick Willy got that name, and the presidency, because he's a smooth-talker. He probably made even Ms. Lewinski feel pretty.
The Bush's are not smooth-talkers. They probably couldn't convince a sock to take their load. :]
Originally posted by: Wonka
u sure about that cause some how george jr got into office...
Originally posted by: Coba|t
Originally posted by: Wonka
u sure about that cause some how george jr got into office...
$$$$$$$$$$
Originally posted by: Wonka
Originally posted by: Coba|t
Originally posted by: Wonka
u sure about that cause some how george jr got into office...
$$$$$$$$$$
he still was able to fool the masses.... talking has something to do with that.
Originally posted by: Wonka
trying to impeach a president
Originally posted by: Alphamale
True enough. Either way, its an example of waste on both sides.
Originally posted by: Alphamale
Originally posted by: Naut
Nope. Look at the people making the allegations. Many democrats or anti-war nuts just can't stand to see us make such a dramatic and succesfull operation - and therefor when faced with facts, they claim we made it all up.
-Naut
Ok Naut, I have had enough of this "us and them" crap, as if you are the holder of absolute rightousness. Im getting tired of you and a few others continually blasting people and getting away with it (where is Dommy when you need him?).
I haven't seen ANYTHING that says the dems as a group claim that the whole rescue thing was made up. Im an American, I have independant thought, I scrutinize everything because I have been lied to by Dems AND REPS all of my life and so have you.
Dommy, I hope you reign some of this in, because its gonna get ugly in here again. I am fed up with the way that some few in here continue to insult people for having an opposing view.
I am going to continue to question everything that comes my way. Why? Because to do anything less would be a disservice to myself and others.
Seems to me that questioning one president's (Bush's )motives is considered anti american and treasonous, while questioning anothers (Clintons) makes you a "real american".
What utter hogwash.
The day will probably come, gentlemen, when you will be very grateful for the freedom to question and criticize a government.
*edit - angry last line removed.
Originally posted by: mojo7
i don't know why. some one educate me.
i just think when u conduct a rescue mission. u don't take keys. u overwhelm with force so u don't create more casualty. am i wrong?
Originally posted by: Razer_guy
It's not about the dominant opinion on the board. It's about the way a select few imbeciles present their opinion, usually looking down their nose at all the crazy lefts with an 'us an them' attitude. I could go to a klan rally and not here the term 'you people' used as often as it is here. It's almost like some people have a vested interest in proving that their opinion is the 'truth' and other's opinions are the musings of tree hugging lunatics. It's ridiculous and childish, and it turns intelligent discourse into another form of chest thumping.
Originally posted by: Razer_guy
I haven't witnessed it from any left's, but it wouldn't surprise me. I guess it comes with the territory of trying to have intelligent discussions with people who have something to prove, but still....it's aggravating. I would love for this forum to have an ignore feature, so good threads wouldn't be ruined by kids on either side jumping in to proclaim victory for their ideology and therefore themselves.
Originally posted by: Alphamale
Originally posted by: Naut
Nope. Look at the people making the allegations. Many democrats or anti-war nuts just can't stand to see us make such a dramatic and succesfull operation - and therefor when faced with facts, they claim we made it all up.
-Naut
Ok Naut, I have had enough of this "us and them" crap, as if you are the holder of absolute rightousness. Im getting tired of you and a few others continually blasting people and getting away with it (where is Dommy when you need him?).
**What might you be comparing to "us and them crap" in my post? There is nothing wrong with questioning the motives of a politcal party, as you say later in your post. That is all I'm doing - I'm not out to attack a political party - but instead to question their motives.
I haven't seen ANYTHING that says the dems as a group claim that the whole rescue thing was made up. Im an American, I have independant thought, I scrutinize everything because I have been lied to by Dems AND REPS all of my life and so have you.
**Fine, let me rephrase. There have been a larger number of democrats voicing their opinions and making accusations that the rescue thing was made up. All I'm saying is that the Democratic party has been very critical of the administration - but that goes around both ways. If we had a democratic administration, I'm sure the Republicans would be taking shots at them as well.
Dommy, I hope you reign some of this in, because its gonna get ugly in here again. I am fed up with the way that some few in here continue to insult people for having an opposing view.
**I scrolled through this thread, and the only person I saw making personal attacks is YOU. The only person getting mad and calling names is YOU. The person that is going to make this thread "turn ugly" is again, YOU.
I am going to continue to question everything that comes my way. Why? Because to do anything less would be a disservice to myself and others.
**Uhh you do that.
Seems to me that questioning one president's (Bush's )motives is considered anti american and treasonous, while questioning anothers (Clintons) makes you a "real american".
**Blind faith is never a good thing. I don't give a damn what people tell you either.. questioning your goverment is a patriotic thing to do. When you do not question your goverments motives or activies, well, think back to Germany - they had blind faith, and look what happened.
The day will probably come, gentlemen, when you will be very grateful for the freedom to question and criticize a government.
**I'm already grateful, wth are you ramblind about lol?
Originally posted by: pheirce
Originally posted by: Wonka
trying to impeach a president
Just to be accurate. Clinton was impeached for obstructing justice by presenting perjured testimony in a court of law.
He is only the second President to have been impeached in US history and the only President to have been slapped with a contempt citation for committing perjury.
Originally posted by: Razer_guy
No one said we faked Lynch's rescue. People said that facts were twisted, created, or taken out of conext to make the rescue appear more dramatic to Joe Sixpack. From an embattled government's point of view, it was a great way to rally support from the general public and to get less airtime for the talking heads crying 'quagmire.' It was also subtle propaganda. And if you think our people within our government, democrat, republican or military are beyond using propaganda (not outright lies, but manipulation) then you're sadly mistaken.
Originally posted by: Skyhunter
Naut you are, without a doubt, the most mentally challenged person on God's green earth.
Originally posted by: Naut
Originally posted by: Razer_guy
No one said we faked Lynch's rescue. People said that facts were twisted, created, or taken out of conext to make the rescue appear more dramatic to Joe Sixpack. From an embattled government's point of view, it was a great way to rally support from the general public and to get less airtime for the talking heads crying 'quagmire.' It was also subtle propaganda. And if you think our people within our government, democrat, republican or military are beyond using propaganda (not outright lies, but manipulation) then you're sadly mistaken.
You do NOT go into a hostile building just with the key to the door. We have the strongest and smartest military on the face of the earth - we go in full force and kick ass. That is exactly what we did.
Originally posted by: Razer_guy
Originally posted by: Naut
You do NOT go into a hostile building just with the key to the door. We have the strongest and smartest military on the face of the earth - we go in full force and kick ass. That is exactly what we did.
There was no ass to be kicked. It's wasn't some Rambo firefight with swelling music in the background. It was a straightforward operation carried out perfectly. That doesn't make it dramatic.
And that's exactly what I mean by propaganda, in this situation. The story was made to be something it was not. It doesn't mean that the operation wasn't warranted or wasn't a success. However, it wasn't a scene out of Blackhawk Down to rescue the poor girl on the verge of death from the evil, abusive Iraqi's.
Originally posted by: pheirce
Originally posted by: Alphamale
True enough. Either way, its an example of waste on both sides.
No, not really. First, the Independent Counsel statute that was used to investigate the Clintons was put into law by the Democrats after Watergate. The person who does the initial investigation and determines if there is a cause to investigate is the Attorney General, which, in the case of the Clinton's, was a Democrat (Janet Reno). The AG will also suggest an appointment for the prosecutor.
The AG is also responsible for expansion of the original cause for the independant counsel (which is how concern about fiscal malfeasance by Clinton as a Governor led to investigations of perjury in a civil case).
Starr was just doing the job that a long line of Democrats created. If the dems wanted to be thorough in their partisanship, then they should have put in the law that an independent counsel cannot be convened against a sitting President if he is a Democrat.
EDIT: Anyone have any idea how long the Iran/Contra independent counsel investigation took? 7 years and 40-50 million dollars (inflation would put that around 60-70 million of Whitewatergates cost).
The Republicans back then complained about the waste of taxpayer money just like the Dems did against Whitewatergate. The difference is the media ignored the partisan bickering of the Republicans while they trumpeted the partisan bickering of the Dems by giving it a stage.
Originally posted by: Naut
Originally posted by: Alphamale
Originally posted by: Naut
Nope. Look at the people making the allegations. Many democrats or anti-war nuts just can't stand to see us make such a dramatic and succesfull operation - and therefor when faced with facts, they claim we made it all up.
-Naut
Ok Naut, I have had enough of this "us and them" crap, as if you are the holder of absolute rightousness. Im getting tired of you and a few others continually blasting people and getting away with it (where is Dommy when you need him?).
**What might you be comparing to "us and them crap" in my post? There is nothing wrong with questioning the motives of a politcal party, as you say later in your post. That is all I'm doing - I'm not out to attack a political party - but instead to question their motives.
I haven't seen ANYTHING that says the dems as a group claim that the whole rescue thing was made up. Im an American, I have independant thought, I scrutinize everything because I have been lied to by Dems AND REPS all of my life and so have you.
**Fine, let me rephrase. There have been a larger number of democrats voicing their opinions and making accusations that the rescue thing was made up. All I'm saying is that the Democratic party has been very critical of the administration - but that goes around both ways. If we had a democratic administration, I'm sure the Republicans would be taking shots at them as well.
Dommy, I hope you reign some of this in, because its gonna get ugly in here again. I am fed up with the way that some few in here continue to insult people for having an opposing view.
**I scrolled through this thread, and the only person I saw making personal attacks is YOU. The only person getting mad and calling names is YOU. The person that is going to make this thread "turn ugly" is again, YOU.
I am going to continue to question everything that comes my way. Why? Because to do anything less would be a disservice to myself and others.
**Uhh you do that.
Seems to me that questioning one president's (Bush's )motives is considered anti american and treasonous, while questioning anothers (Clintons) makes you a "real american".
**Blind faith is never a good thing. I don't give a damn what people tell you either.. questioning your goverment is a patriotic thing to do. When you do not question your goverments motives or activies, well, think back to Germany - they had blind faith, and look what happened.
The day will probably come, gentlemen, when you will be very grateful for the freedom to question and criticize a government.
**I'm already grateful, wth are you ramblind about lol?