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http://news.yahoo.com/gop-lawmakers-prisoner-exchange-violated-law-210934403--politics.html

So Obama decided to negotiate with terrorists for the release of an American service member. Don't get me wrong, I am happy the man is being returned to his family, but this was the wrong way to go about it. It has been shown time and again throughout history, negotiating with terrorists does not make us stronger, it makes us weaker.

"While saying they celebrate Bergdahl's release, McKeon and Inhofe warned that the exchange "may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans."

"Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk," they said."

Add to it that the fact that the law was broken to do this:

"Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated."

The White House admitted that they ignored the law."the White House said a decision was made to go ahead with the transfer despite the legal requirement of 30 days advance notice to Congress."

How many more laws are we the people going to allow this president and his adminstration to break and get away with? He has trampled on the Constitution, the document which is what made America the greatest nation on earth. Before he was ever elected, he cited the Constitution as a hindrance because it just layed out what government could not do to you, not what it must do on your behalf.

I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.
Meanwhile... there's an active Marine incarcerated in Mexico. I wonder what concessions the Mexicans will want for this guy... unless the Illegal alien drop-off was part of it.

Hush. Appeasement is the way!

Like the 'bring our girls home' hashtag only puts pressure on the Nigerian government with appeasement as the quickest option.
Originally posted by: Raden1911
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-lawmakers-prisoner-exchange-violated-law-210934403--politics.html

So Obama decided to negotiate with terrorists for the release of an American service member. Don't get me wrong, I am happy the man is being returned to his family, but this was the wrong way to go about it. It has been shown time and again throughout history, negotiating with terrorists does not make us stronger, it makes us weaker.

"While saying they celebrate Bergdahl's release, McKeon and Inhofe warned that the exchange "may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans."

"Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk," they said."

Add to it that the fact that the law was broken to do this:

"Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated."

The White House admitted that they ignored the law."the White House said a decision was made to go ahead with the transfer despite the legal requirement of 30 days advance notice to Congress."

How many more laws are we the people going to allow this president and his adminstration to break and get away with? He has trampled on the Constitution, the document which is what made America the greatest nation on earth. Before he was ever elected, he cited the Constitution as a hindrance because it just layed out what government could not do to you, not what it must do on your behalf.

I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Hmmm, sounds like you are not that happy slappy

it looks to me to be a set up.

the sgt was a muslim and deserter. many in his unit were killed searching for him. while he was there, he was apparently looking for a taliban post to join up with. something isn't right here.

i am sure the guys who were released were trained by the CIA while in captivity to become even more deadly terrorists.

in case you haven't noticed, the whole terrorism scare has gone quiet and the State needs more to justify their removal of our liberties at the pace they are going.
Taliban Releases POW Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in Trade for Five Detainees

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the prisoner of war held by the Taliban for nearly five years, has been released as part of a swap in which the U.S. will be sending five mid-level Taliban detainees held at the U.S. facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Qatar.

Bergdahl, captured by militants near his U.S. military base in eastern Afghanistan in June 2009, was picked up Saturday by U.S. Special Forces there and flown to an undisclosed U.S. military base nearby. Bergdahl is expected to be transferred out of the country and brought to the large U.S. military medical facility in Landstuhl, Germany in the next day or so before being sent to Brooke Army Medical Center in Texas. By Saturday afternoon, the five detainees identified for transfer from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay had boarded an Air Force C-17 cargo jet bound for Qatar.

Obama celebrated Bergdahl's release, a rare bit of good news from Afghanistan, as a good omen of the potential for broader reconciliation talks with the Taliban.

"While we are mindful of the challenges, it is our hope Sergeant Bergdahl's recovery could potentially open the door for broader discussions among Afghans about the future of their country by building confidence that it is possible for all sides to find common ground," Obama said in a statement.

Discussions over a prisoner swap have been considered for months, if not years. After the euphoria of Bergdahl's return subsides, there will be questions about why the administration waited this long to make the transfer, and why the U.S. in effect gave up five detainees for one American prisoner. Other options for his rescue had been on the table for some time - including a "kinetic option" in which the Pentagon's Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC, would execute a potentially highly risky rescue of Bergdahl. But options in which military force would not be used were always more likely, and a prisoner swap was considered to be the one with the best chance for success.

The on-again, off-again talks with the Taliban had accelerated sharply in recent weeks. The militants signaled through the Qataris, who acted as intermediaries, that they had an interest in resuming discussions of a swap: Bergdahl for a small group of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. On Tuesday, Obama called the emir of Qatar, Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, and received assurances that U.S. national security "would not be compromised" if the swap went through, according to an administration official. Obama then agreed to the swap of the five detainees, who include two senior Taliban commanders that have been implicated in the murders of thousands of Shiites in Afghanistan.

"We have viewed Sgt. Bergdahl's release through diplomatic means as a vital goal in its own right because of our historic commitment to leave no soldier behind on the battlefield," said a senior administration official.

Bergdahl was picked up in eastern Afghanistan by about three dozen Special Forces troops, who landed in helicopters and were met by about 18 armed Taliban forces as unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, provided the military with reconnaissance support overhead. Bergdahl was able to walk on his own to the helicopters and speak with the Special Forces units in what amounted to a significant but otherwise uneventful transfer, a defense official said.

According to reports, amid all the noise at the meeting site, Bergdahl wrote "SF?" on a paper plate, in effect asking if his rescuers were from Special Forces units. When he was told that they were, and that they had been looking for him for a long time, Bergdahl apparently broke down and cried.

"We were so joyful and relieved when President Obama called us today to give us the news that Bowe is finally coming home," Bergdahl's parents, Bob and Jani, who live in Idaho, said in a statement. "We cannot wait to wrap our arms around our only son," adding: "today, we are ecstatic."

Not everyone within the military will be sharing their joy. Senior commanders will instead have to ask hard questions about what will become of Bergdahl, who is thought to have wandered off his U.S. military base in Paktika province in eastern Afghanistan voluntarily before being taken by the Taliban. He was thought to have been held by the militant group known as the Haqqani network in Pakistan. Now that he has been released, the military will conduct a more thorough investigation into what led to his capture in the first place.

A "proof of life" video released earlier this year had provided evidence that Bergdahl was alive and reasonably healthy at about the same time the U.S., Qatar and the Taliban reopened discussions about his release. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel had appointed Michael Lumpkin, the assistant secretary of defense for Special Operations/Low-Intensity Conflict, as the Pentagon's point man during the talks.

People familiar with the matter said Hagel's appointment of Lumpkin helped to cut through the bureaucratic red tape of securing Bergdahl's release, which had been slowed by tensions with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who opposed the talks because he believes his government should be the only entity involved in direct negotiations with the Taliban. But as Karzai prepares to leave office and a runoff election will determine his successor in June, it's possible an opportunity, coupled with security assurances from the Qataris, presented itself to the administration.

"Sgt. Bergdahl's return is a powerful reminder of the enduring, sacred commitment our nation makes to all those who serve in uniform," Hagel, traveling in Asia, said in a statement. "The United States government never forgot Sgt. Bergdahl, nor did we stop working to bring him back."


Two of the five detainees were responsible for Shiite massacres of thousands; possibly referring to the killings of Hazaras in Mazar-e-Sharif in 1998. If so, it is possible that these guys are Hezb-i-Islami and have affiliations with the Haqqanis or Hekmatyar.

If this is accurate, I would have to call into question the decision to release these men. On one hand I understand that it may help provide needed trust to move forward peace negotiations. On the other hand you are releasing war criminals who were involved in going door to door to the homes of religious minorities with the sole intent of slaughtering them. How is that furthering the interests of peace?
Here are the names of the "Taliban 5" (the guys who were released for Bergdahl):

Mohammad Fazl: "Not much is known about Fazl, except that he served as the deputy defense minister under the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban rule).[5][6] American intelligence analysts estimate that Fazl was born in 1967, in Sekzi, Caher Cineh District, Uruzgan Province, Afghanistan[7]. Although he negotiated an amnesty with the Afghan Northern Alliance leader Abdul Rashid Dostum,[8] it is alleged that he is responsible for killing thousands of Shi'a Afghans between 1996 and late 2001.[5]"

"Most Afghans had been repatriated to Afghanistan by 2009.[10] Throughout the fall of 2011 and the winter of 2012 the United States conducted peace negotiations with the Taliban, and widely leaked was that a key sticking point was the ongoing detention of Fazl and four other senior Taliban, Norullah Noori, Khirullah Khairkhwa, Abdul Haq Wasiq and Mohammed Nabi.[11][12][13] Negotiations hinged around sending the five men directly to Doha, Qatar, where they would be allowed to set up an official office for the Taliban.

In March 2012, it was reported that Ibrahim Spinzada, described as "Karzai's top aide" had spoken with the five men, in Guantanamo, earlier that month, and had secured their agreement to be transferred to Qatar.[13] It was reported that Karzai, who had initially opposed the transfer, now backed the plan."


Khairullah Khairkhwa: "American intelligence analysts estimate that Khairkhwa was born in 1967 in Kandahar, Afghanistan. He is a Popalzai from Arghestan in Kandahar province.[8] He studied religious topics at the Haqqaniya and Akhora Khattak madrassas in Pakistan, together with other influential Taliban leaders.[8]

He held various government posts, both before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, including a police official in Kabul, and finally, Governor of Herat Province.[3][9]

Khirullah was one of the original Taliban members who launched the movement in 1994.[8] Some reports have said he had been the Taliban's deputy minister of the interior, interim minister of the interior, the minister of the interior, and the Minister of Information.[4][6] Khirullah was also to serve as the Taliban's Minister of Foreign Affairs spokesman, giving interviews to the British Broadcasting Corporation and the Voice of America.

Khirullah Khairkhwa arrived at Guantanamo on May 1, 2002, and has been held there for 12 years and 1 month.[10][11][12]

In early 2011 president Hamid Karzai demanded his release and Hekmat Karzai, the director of the Centre for Conflict and Peace Studies in Kabul said "His release will be influential to the peace process," and that "Mr Khairkhwa is well respected amongst the Taliban and was considered a moderate by those who knew him".[13][14]"


Abdul Haq Wasiq: "a. The detainee is associated with al Qaida and the Taliban.

The detainee in a letter to his brother, included greetings to an al Qaida member.
The detainee was the Taliban Deputy Minister of Intelligence.
The detainee used a radio to communicate with the Taliban Chief of Intelligence.

b The detainee participated in military operations against the coalition.

The detainee was involved in the operation to re-establish the front lines of Konduz, Afghanistan."

"a. Commitment

The detainee served as Deputy Minister of Intelligence in the Taliban Intelligence Service.

The detainee served as acting Minister of Intelligence when Qari Ahmadullah was away from Kabul performing his duties as governor of Tahar province

The detainee was a participant in military operation in Konduz.

Detainee used Icom radios and provided information on communications security procedures within the Taliban Intelligence Department.

b. Connections/Associations

The detainee arranged to have an Egyptian al Qaida member, Hamza Zobir teach Taliban intelligence officers about intelligence work.

The detainee gave a suspected Afghani arms smuggler a Codan high frequency radio set for safekeeping. The suspected arms smuggler allegedly had many weapons caches near Ghazni."

"a. At the time of his capture, the detainee claims he was attempting to assist the U.S. in capturing Mullah Mohammed Omar. He claims if the Americans had not arrested him, then they might have captured Mullah Mohammed Omar and the detainee's superior, Qari Ahmadullah, head of Taliban Intelligence.

b. Detainee has very few citations, primarily for non-aggressive infractions including physical training in cell, leading prayer; making excessive noise; and periodically refusing medications, food, and showers."


Norullah Noori: "a. Commitment

In September 1995 the detainee fought alongside al Qaida as a Taliban military general, against the Northern Alliance. The detainee was responsible for the line near Murghab, Afghanistan in the vicinity of Herat, Afghanistan.

The detainee claimed he joined the Taliban in 1999. He worked for the governor of Jalalabad, Afghanistan until December 1999. In February 2000 the detainee arrived in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan.

The detainee began working for the Taliban government as one of eight assistants to the Governor of Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan.

The detainee eventually became the governor of the Balkh Province, Afghanistan as was one of a very few tribal members who could read and write. The detainee held this position for about eight to ten months. The detainee received the title of Mullah due to his education and political position.

The detainee was fighting on the front lines at Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan as a Taliban fighter. As the front lines in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan fell the detainee moved with a majority of the remaining fighters to Kunduz, Afghanistan to reestablish the front lines.

While traveling from Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan to Zabol Province, Afghanistan, the detainee agreed to negotiate with Dostums forces regarding surrender of Taliban forces.

b. Training

The detainee's job required him to stand guard duty, armed with a Kalashnikov, at buildings. The detainee denied ever receiving any training for this position. The detainee stated that he never learned how to take the weapon apart, but he knew how to use it.

c. Connections/Associations

The detainee was identified as the Taliban leader in charge of Mazar Bal, Afghanistan.

The detainee's name appears on a list of key Taliban personalities.

The detainee is a close associate of a high-ranking Taliban leader.

The detainee hosted al Qaida commanders.

The detainee held a meeting with the head of the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, who discussed jihad in Uzbekistan.

While serving as the goveror of Balkh province in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan the detainee met a subordinated of Usama bin Laden to pass a message from the Taliban supreme leader.

d. Intent

As of late July 2003, Taliban leaders close to the detainee were leading efforts in Zabol province, Afghanistan to destablize the Afghan transitional administration.

As of early November 2003, while he as the Taliban zone chief, the detainee provided assistance to a friend who was using profits from the sale of narcotics to provide material support to the Taliban and al Qaida. The detainee had given him money and provided him with a money exchange shop.

A group of individuals, including a Taliban member, continue to work to support the detainee.

e. Other Relevant Data

The detainee was in charge of about 150 combat troops and one helicopter."

"Norullah Noori was the Taliban's Governor of Balkh Province.[2][3][4][5][6] 2001 press reports describe General Rashid Dostum bringing Noori with him, when he toured the ruins the Qala-i-Jangi fortress, after over 400 captives died there in what is usually described as a failed prison uprising. Noori was reported to have ordered the Taliban fighters in his jurisdiction to peacefully surrender to Dostum's Northern Alliance forces.

Norullah has been listed by the United Nations 1267 Committee since January 25, 2001.[6]

Norullah Noori arrived at Guantanamo on January 11, 2002, and has been held there for 12 years, 4 months and 21 days.[7][8][9] The allegations used to justify his detention in Guantanamo assert he was an interim Provincial Governor—of Jalalabad [sic], temporary governor of Mazari Sharif [sic] and Governor of Balkh Province.[10][11]"


Mohammad Nabi Omari: "During his Combatant Status Review Tribunal Omari acknowledged he had worked for the Taliban, but claimed that was prior to 9-11.[7] He claimed that after the US invasion he had been a loyal supporter of the Hamid Karzai government, and that he had been a covert operative for a US intelligence officer he knew only as "Mark"."
Originally posted by: [-NM-] SPACEHERPES
Originally posted by: Raden1911
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-lawmakers-prisoner-exchange-violated-law-210934403--politics.html

So Obama decided to negotiate with terrorists for the release of an American service member. Don't get me wrong, I am happy the man is being returned to his family, but this was the wrong way to go about it. It has been shown time and again throughout history, negotiating with terrorists does not make us stronger, it makes us weaker.

"While saying they celebrate Bergdahl's release, McKeon and Inhofe warned that the exchange "may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans."

"Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk," they said."

Add to it that the fact that the law was broken to do this:

"Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated."

The White House admitted that they ignored the law."the White House said a decision was made to go ahead with the transfer despite the legal requirement of 30 days advance notice to Congress."

How many more laws are we the people going to allow this president and his adminstration to break and get away with? He has trampled on the Constitution, the document which is what made America the greatest nation on earth. Before he was ever elected, he cited the Constitution as a hindrance because it just layed out what government could not do to you, not what it must do on your behalf.

I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Hmmm, sounds like you are not that happy slappy



Not at all. America needs to wake up and impeach this POS in the oval office. His blatant disregard for the rule of law, either by selective enforcement of, or complete disregard of, should mean jail time. Oliver North was convicted and sentenced to three years (suspended), fined 150k, given two years supervised probation, plus hundreds of hours of community service in the Iran Contra scandal, and that was nowhere near as blatant as this is.
[quote="-EB- BluedoctorIf this is accurate, I would have to call into question the decision to release these men. On one hand I understand that it may help provide needed trust to move forward peace negotiations. On the other hand you are releasing war criminals who were involved in going door to door to the homes of religious minorities with the sole intent of slaughtering them. How is that furthering the interests of peace?

Exactly. Add to that you dont get peace by showing weakness. It has been documented that these extremists respect strength. How is going back on decades of policy showing strength? How is trading one man for five showing strength?
At this point what difference does it make?

Surely the nsa implanted some kind of tracking device in them or at least a slow acting poison, I mean, the government wouldnt sacrifice our rights to protect us from the very people they just released? No, not our savior obummer
i think it would be well worth it to check out these 5 guys and see if they end up with cancer.
Originally posted by: Raden1911
Originally posted by: [-NM-] SPACEHERPES
Originally posted by: Raden1911
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-lawmakers-prisoner-exchange-violated-law-210934403--politics.html

So Obama decided to negotiate with terrorists for the release of an American service member. Don't get me wrong, I am happy the man is being returned to his family, but this was the wrong way to go about it. It has been shown time and again throughout history, negotiating with terrorists does not make us stronger, it makes us weaker.

"While saying they celebrate Bergdahl's release, McKeon and Inhofe warned that the exchange "may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans."

"Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk," they said."

Add to it that the fact that the law was broken to do this:

"Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated."

The White House admitted that they ignored the law."the White House said a decision was made to go ahead with the transfer despite the legal requirement of 30 days advance notice to Congress."

How many more laws are we the people going to allow this president and his adminstration to break and get away with? He has trampled on the Constitution, the document which is what made America the greatest nation on earth. Before he was ever elected, he cited the Constitution as a hindrance because it just layed out what government could not do to you, not what it must do on your behalf.

I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Hmmm, sounds like you are not that happy slappy



Not at all. America needs to wake up and impeach this POS in the oval office. His blatant disregard for the rule of law, either by selective enforcement of, or complete disregard of, should mean jail time. Oliver North was convicted and sentenced to three years (suspended), fined 150k, given two years supervised probation, plus hundreds of hours of community service in the Iran Contra scandal, and that was nowhere near as blatant as this is.



LOLERZ only because North and the Reagan administration shredded a shitload of documents that would of sent all of those fuckers including Reagan to jail. FOR REAL!!

Come on man, You really buy the shit you are spiiling on to these forums?
Us? This makes us weaker? The actions of the United States Federal Government have no bearing on you, me, or anyone else that isn't part of that evil organization. If anything, this event makes them weaker and I say, wholeheartedly, fuck them; let them burn.

p.s.

Everything the USG does is a crime.

Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 6/1/2014 7:59:59 PM

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Originally posted by: samUwell
it looks to me to be a set up.

the sgt was a muslim and deserter. many in his unit were killed searching for him. while he was there, he was apparently looking for a taliban post to join up with. something isn't right here.

i am sure the guys who were released were trained by the CIA while in captivity to become even more deadly terrorists.

in case you haven't noticed, the whole terrorism scare has gone quiet and the State needs more to justify their removal of our liberties at the pace they are going.




clearly you watch Homeland
Originally posted by: Killet
At this point what difference does it make?

Surely the nsa implanted some kind of tracking device in them or at least a slow acting poison, I mean, the government wouldnt sacrifice our rights to protect us from the very people they just released? No, not our savior obummer


I'm sure the CIA has much better technology for these guys... I mean, sure... all US citizens are being tracked by the bio-electric/GMO additives they put in our foods... I'm sure wherever these criminals go, the black helicopters won't be too far behind them.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see an increase in sales of Reynolds Wrap in the Middle East.
Originally posted by: Bibimbap
Originally posted by: Killet
At this point what difference does it make?

Surely the nsa implanted some kind of tracking device in them or at least a slow acting poison, I mean, the government wouldnt sacrifice our rights to protect us from the very people they just released? No, not our savior obummer


I'm sure the CIA has much better technology for these guys... I mean, sure... all US citizens are being tracked by the bio-electric/GMO additives they put in our foods... I'm sure wherever these criminals go, the black helicopters won't be too far behind them.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see an increase in sales of Reynolds Wrap in the Middle East.
Conspiracy theories are common in many parts. Since people have even less reason than Americans to trust their governments which are corrupt at every turn.
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Us? This makes us weaker? The actions of the United States Federal Government have no bearing on you, me, or anyone else that isn't part of that evil organization. If anything, this event makes them weaker and I say, wholeheartedly, fuck them; let them burn.

p.s.

Everything the USG does is a crime.



NBF sighting!

NBF SIGHTING!!!


I SAID, N.B.F. F.U.C.K.I.N.G. S.I.G.H.T.I.N.G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought it was understood that this man is a traitor? That he abandoned his post and sent emails home to his family disparaging the military and the U.S.? Why would we break our code of not negotiating with terrorists for someone like this?

Added to the fact that it is just bad business for the U.S. to do. The tinfoil hat theory is it was done to take focus off of the VA scandal letting Veterans die. The government can't be all bad if they bring home a supposed P.O.W.

I don't know. It just all feels wrong. If this guy legitimately is a real P.O.W. and he really was captured while doing his job, then I am glad he's home but something seems off. What do you guys who were/are military think about it?

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Originally posted by: Goddess Wolfie
I thought it was understood that this man is a traitor? That he abandoned his post and sent emails home to his family disparaging the military and the U.S.? Why would we break our code of not negotiating with terrorists for someone like this?

Added to the fact that it is just bad business for the U.S. to do. The tinfoil hat theory is it was done to take focus off of the VA scandal letting Veterans die. The government can't be all bad if they bring home a supposed P.O.W.

I don't know. It just all feels wrong. If this guy legitimately is a real P.O.W. and he really was captured while doing his job, then I am glad he's home but something seems off. What do you guys who were/are military think about it?


Also have to wonder why the Taliban kept him "captive" for so long. Throughout the years we have been in Afghanistan have the Taliban ever kept a U.S. Soldier this long....I think not. They would rather execute/behead a captured soldier so it makes you wonder if he became a sympathizer was never really a POW
Whats the problem? The muslim sympathizer in chief is just fulfilling one of his campaign promises, he's going to close gitmo 5 terrorists at a time.

I'm really surprised they didnt release them in nyc to be honest
Post edited by Killet at 6/2/2014 1:17:58 PM
Karzai is saying he didn't know about this and that this breaks International law.

http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-government-protests-against-u-deal-free-taliban-073352930.html

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Ya all ready to admit that this president is the Jimmy Cahta of the 21st century?

lol, 'hope and change'

suckers

{PS: PR move by the admin to get the VA scandal out of the spotlight]
Originally posted by: Raden1911


I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Definitely am not a fan of this move by Obama.

I still prefer it to Bush lying us into a decade long war. I think that is far far more impeachable. But of course to you this exchange is probably far more monstrous than lying us into a war that killed thousands of Americans and maimed thousands more.

Just different priorities.
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The Daily Mail in the UK published this:

The Daily Mail has long URLs

Taliban prisoner swap was ILLEGAL claims GOP as former federal prosecutor says it could lead to Obama's impeachment

* The president ignored a law – which he signed last year – requiring him to notify Congress 30 days before releasing anyone from Guantanamo Bay

* The Obama administration never told Capitol Hill until after Bergdahl was in American custody and the US Taliban prisoners were preparing to leave

* A former federal prosecutor told MailOnline that while the 30-day-notice law is probably unconstitutional, putting enemy combatants back in a position to harm Americans is an impeachable offense

* A White House insider said Obama administration officials didn't anticipate how controversial Bergdahl's rescue would be, and compared it to the 1981 release of 52 US hostages in Iran

* Since Saturday several of Bergdahl's former military comrades have said he was an Army deserter, and some have speculated that he also aimed to join with the Taliban in Afghanistan

* An official Pentagon report concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl 'walked away,' so little effort was made to retrieve him, according to the AP.


There's actually a long article following the highlights... It does conclude that this event alone, while an impeachable offense, would not be enough to really impeach Obama... but most everybody is correct in the fact that this was a PR stunt.

With the circumstances of Bergdahl's disappearance no longer in any substantial doubt, the remaining outrage has focused on the Obama administration's decision to trade five high-value Taliban terror detainees for him – several years after the Pentagon decided he wasn't worth recovering.

Yet it appears the administration believed it would win a PR victory big enough to eclipse any legalistic hand-wringing on Capitol Hill, and whatever objections might surface among the military rank-and-file.

A White House official told MailOnline on Monday morning that Obama's deputies were caught flatfooted by the intensity of public outrage in some quarters after Bergdahl's rescue by Special Forces.

'Everyone thought this would be a January 1981 moment,' the insider said, referring to the negotiated release of 52 U.S. hostages in Iran after 444 days in captivity.


“I taught constitutional law for 10 years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm president of the United States of America."

— Senator Barack Obama, March 31, 2008


"‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’" -January 2014



HOPE AND CHANGE!!!

Suckers.




Originally posted by: Pixel
Originally posted by: Raden1911


I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Definitely am not a fan of this move by Obama.

I still prefer it to Bush lying us into a decade long war. I think that is far far more impeachable. But of course to you this exchange is probably far more monstrous than lying us into a war that killed thousands of Americans and maimed thousands more.

Just different priorities.


Did you know that Obama, since 2008, has lost more than 4x as many of our soldiers in Afghanistan as Bush did?

Did you know that instead of ending this war....we have, on behalf of Obama, promised to keep 9-10k troops there (minimum) until 2024?

Other than that....I totally agree with you.

The only thing worse than an unjust, illegal, war....is keeping us there for a few more decades when you know the battle is lost and we can not succeed there.

Just saying
Post edited by Mockery at 6/4/2014 1:54:35 AM
Originally posted by: Pixel
Originally posted by: Raden1911


I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Definitely am not a fan of this move by Obama.

I still prefer it to Bush lying us into a decade long war. I think that is far far more impeachable. But of course to you this exchange is probably far more monstrous than lying us into a war that killed thousands of Americans and maimed thousands more.

Just different priorities.


The NSA spying, the Healthcare Websites, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, "Shovel Ready" jobs, "If you like your plan you can keep your plan", emailing the name of a CIA station chief to reporters, now negotiating with terrorists.

Scandals of this scale would have liberals foaming at the mouth and calling for the execution of a Republican president. The CIA station chief incident alone....You were one of the loudest on these boards calling for Bush's head, even after Richard Armitage admitted that it was he who leaked her name (and she was no longer a covert agent when it happened). Where is your moral outrage over the current administration emailing the name of an ACTIVE station chief to reporters? Oh wait, you cant admit when you are wrong. Case in point:

http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthread.asp?forumid=551&threadid=414560&page=1

By his own words Obama must be a lot more irresponsible and a lot more unpatriotic than Bush:

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/24/flashback-obama-says-adding-4-trillion-national-debt-unpatriotic

“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back -- $30,000 for every man, woman and child,” Obama said on July 3, 2008, at a campaign event in Fargo, N.D.

“That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic,” said candidate Obama.

This latest issue just shows Obamas complete disregard for what he does not agree with. Not enforcing laws he does not agree with, changing laws by executive order (nothing unconstitutional about that right?), and then ignoring laws that he himself signed. Time to impeach this man.
damn...brutal

yeah, but it could have been worse. if Romney would have been elected it could have been so much worse. So even though Obama is provably as bad as Bush, has extended or advanced each and every single of Bush's failures....it's not that bad.

Because Bush did it too....and Romney might have done it even worse....making him as good of a candidate as Obama currently is.

Yep, that's it. That's how I sleep tonight warm in my bed without learning anything from any of my previous mistakes. Without admitting anything moving forward. This enables me to feel like I am contributing to the solution instead of being more of the problem.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/4/2014 9:01:08 AM
speaking of that

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i love reading about whether Obama was legally allowed to make this prisoner trade or not.

it apparently all starts with the 2014 NDAA....where Obama attempted to make himself a signing stipulation. This is where many lawyers feel this wouldn't hold up as being legally binding, according to the legislature wording that he signed (because it directly conflicts).

but then one can and should argue that taking these powers away from the President, via the very NDAA Obama signed, could be considered unconstitutional.....therefore making it ok again.

then again.... the entire NDAA looks like an egregious piece of unconstitutional legislature. It has been this way each and every single time Obama has signed it and should/could be tossed out when challenged in its entirety.

In short...As someone who espouses to have taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, Obama signed an unconstitutional POS called the NDAA, then tried to make an illegal back door exemption to it, but only for himself, which wouldn't stand on its own, given the details of how he did it, if it wasn't for the fact that the entire thing is likely unconstitutional in the first place.

Reason #389743847387438427340329 this guy needs to go. Needs to be made a firm example of.
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That POS is a traitor.

Yet people like dumbalt somehow believe this guy is a POW. Everyone knows damn well that this traitorous POS abandoned his post and his unit yet try to spin it as recovering a POW.

Hell even the retarded senate democrats are changing their tune, except for that worthless fucktard known as harry reid.

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Puddin, it would be in your best interest to abandon this thread imo.
peddling feces as boxes of craft chocolate

it's truly amazing what an alignment with a political party can do to a persons thought process and more importantly their country.

this is yet another fine example of that. people need to stop falling for this distraction, it was clearly smokescreen for the VA's failures.....something they couldn't wash away with finding someone/something more defective than the imbeciles running the system.
Traitor?

I literally know nothing about this event and I don't care about it.

But, I wonder, what is the rationalization for believing that anyone should have any loyalty whatsoever to any government. Because, rejection of that type of loyalty is the essence of being a traitor, is it not?

Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 6/4/2014 11:58:52 AM

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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Traitor?

I literally know nothing about this event and I don't care about it.

But, I wonder, what is the rationalization for believing that anyone should have any loyalty whatsoever to any government. Because, rejection of that type of loyalty is the essence of being a traitor, is it not?


yeah I care less that he bailed. That he deserted a provably bad cause. He even said that if he didn't like his assignment he would jump ship...and jumping ship is exactly what he did.

I only care that he got other soldiers killed searching and trying to save his silly ass (again, not sure if he asked for it).

In short, as a converted Muslim, with strong sympathetic ties to his captors....I wish he would have stayed there. With the people he supported and assisted.

Just like the half dozen or so guys who defected during the North Korean conflict almost a half century ago.

I'm more pissed off at the NDAA insanity than I am anything else. I am more sickened that this guy will get a heroes welcome when he clearly doesn't deserve one.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/4/2014 12:59:32 PM
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Traitor?

I literally know nothing about this event and I don't care about it.

But, I wonder, what is the rationalization for believing that anyone should have any loyalty whatsoever to any government. Because, rejection of that type of loyalty is the essence of being a traitor, is it not?


You view it as loyalty to the gvt and that is why you fail.

He abandoned the brotherhood.

He is a traitor, plain and simple.
The brotherhood? What brotherhood?
The brotherhood of government employees?
The brotherhood of government henchmen?
The Brotherhood Without Banners?
The brotherhood of government killers?
The Brotherhood of Mutants?

Any way you slice it, the military is the government. It is impossible to separate the two. The military is nothing more than a component of the parasitic entity that claims overlordship of a specific geographic region (the entire world) known as the United States Federal Government. The military are the enforcers. Their entire job is to crack the skulls of the brazen people of the world who dare utter the one unspeakable phrase to the Lord Parasites; "No".

There are only two separations that can be made when it comes to the government and it's military; us and them, and producers and looters. The military is them; the military are looters.

Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 6/4/2014 2:30:29 PM

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See through the propaganda. Stop empowering and enriching the state by cheering its wars. Set aside the television talking points. Look at the world anew, without the prejudices of the past, and without favoring your own government’s version of things. Be decent. Be human. Do not be deceived by the Joe Bidens, the John McCains, the Barack Obamas and Hillary Clintons. Reject the biggest government program of them all. Peace builds. War destroys.
-Lew Rockwell
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
The brotherhood? What brotherhood?
The brotherhood of government employees?
The brotherhood of government henchmen?
The Brotherhood Without Banners?
The brotherhood of government killers?
The Brotherhood of Mutants?

Any way you slice it, the military is the government. It is impossible to separate the two. The military is nothing more than a component of the parasitic entity that claims overlordship of a specific geographic region (the entire world) known as the United States Federal Government. The military are the enforcers. Their entire job is to crack the skulls of the brazen people of the world who dare utter the one unspeakable phrase to the Lord Parasites; "No".

There are only two separations that can be made when it comes to the government and it's military; us and them, and producers and looters. The military is them; the military are looters.


You know nothing NBF.



I can partially understand both outlooks

The reason for being there is stupid, the government they are fighting for is garbage, everything about the mission is trash....or more crony corrupt crap.

With that said, once you get there, I can see how it is about the brother hood of protecting one another from anything being thrown your way. By your own evil government, or that of another.

All the rest goes out the window I am told. So this is a difference between a macro and micro existentialist perspective I suppose. Both outlooks are reasonable. So long as people don't use the justification of "just doing my job" to pardon further atrocity. Which is often the case I'm afraid.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/4/2014 3:57:03 PM
Originally posted by: Raden1911
Originally posted by: Pixel
Originally posted by: Raden1911


I said it before he was elected, and I will say it again: Meet the new boss, same....no, definately WORSE than the old boss.


Definitely am not a fan of this move by Obama.

I still prefer it to Bush lying us into a decade long war. I think that is far far more impeachable. But of course to you this exchange is probably far more monstrous than lying us into a war that killed thousands of Americans and maimed thousands more.

Just different priorities.


The NSA spying, the Healthcare Websites, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, "Shovel Ready" jobs, "If you like your plan you can keep your plan", emailing the name of a CIA station chief to reporters, now negotiating with terrorists.

Scandals of this scale would have liberals foaming at the mouth and calling for the execution of a Republican president. The CIA station chief incident alone....You were one of the loudest on these boards calling for Bush's head, even after Richard Armitage admitted that it was he who leaked her name (and she was no longer a covert agent when it happened). Where is your moral outrage over the current administration emailing the name of an ACTIVE station chief to reporters? Oh wait, you cant admit when you are wrong. Case in point:

http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthread.asp?forumid=551&threadid=414560&page=1

By his own words Obama must be a lot more irresponsible and a lot more unpatriotic than Bush:

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/08/24/flashback-obama-says-adding-4-trillion-national-debt-unpatriotic

“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents -- number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back -- $30,000 for every man, woman and child,” Obama said on July 3, 2008, at a campaign event in Fargo, N.D.

“That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic,” said candidate Obama.

This latest issue just shows Obamas complete disregard for what he does not agree with. Not enforcing laws he does not agree with, changing laws by executive order (nothing unconstitutional about that right?), and then ignoring laws that he himself signed. Time to impeach this man.



i could list off a ton of bush 8 year fuck ups. and starting a decades long war in Iraq is a bigger deal than all the shit you mentioned obama did.

The healthcare website? Pissed me off. He should have been all over that himself as his signature legislation. I and many liberals I spoke to were pissed at him. But to put it in a conversation about impeachable fuck ups? That's fucking retarded, but then again, look who is posting it.

Benghazi is a republican talking point and while a tragedy, thank god a rather small one. I'm sure you would have called for Reagan to be impeached after he blew off warnings that putting the Marines in Beirut was a bad fucking idea and over 100 died. You'd shrug it off. I bet you fucking worship Reagan.

The NSA spying? Umm hells yes progressives are all against that shit and big time, which, fyi, all this crazy spying and data mining had been going on during Obama and before. So again, you post misinformation. And liberals are against it regardless of the president. It's a common ground area actually.

Obama was right about the debt. Unfortunately he got handed an economy in the shitter. You can always find that chart that shows national debt going down mostly under Dem presidents vs going up under Rep presidents. Enjoy.

Anyway, coming from you, someone who can make fox news look fair and balanced sometimes - this is no surprise.

The only thing that should be impeached here is your intelligence.


Post edited by Pixel at 6/4/2014 6:49:01 PM

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Originally posted by: Pixel

i could list off a ton of bush 8 year fuck ups. and starting a decades long war in Iraq is a bigger deal than all the shit you mentioned obama did.


would listing Bush's mistakes somehow make Bush a better President? Then why would anyone in their right mind attempt to do this? That guy was garbage....total cabbage. It's this guy, as in our current president, that certain people feel a sick desire to justify at any cost.

You know what is worse than an illegal eight year war? A sixteen year illegal war. Or in the case of Afghanistan one that we will not be leaving until at least 2024. Where this President quadrupled down in spending and military fatalities to fight in something that is clearly unattainable....that he knew was a CLUSTER FUBAR.

That he is now releasing Taliban leaders back to. Despite our soldiers having to stick around there for another decade plus.

Originally posted by: Pixel
The NSA spying? Umm hells yes progressives are all against that shit and big time, which, fyi, all this crazy spying and data mining had been going on during Obama and before. So again, you post misinformation. And liberals are against it regardless of the president. It's a common ground area actually.


more of the same....it isn't that bad because Bush did it.

Or Reagan did it. NEWS FLASH: Maybe they were terrible too?

It isn't really that big of a deal that the spying problem is worse than ever before in history, compounding daily, funded exponentially, and is expected to be able to snoop on everything we do/say/think soon enough.

Because B....B....B....Bush did it too.

Jesus this is sick. It went from "anybody but Bush".....to eight straight years of "bbbbbbbut Bush did it too".

This should be carved on the arch de triumph of Obama's Presidential library soon.

This is how you know the discourse has approached rock bottom. That varying levels of blatant intellectual dishonesty, along with clear cut mental health issues, is the only thing our country has left to talk about anymore.
Post edited by Mockery at 6/4/2014 8:27:23 PM