Pope Francis: Economist

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.

On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote a "worldwide ethical mobilization" of solidarity with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.

Francis voiced a similar message to the World Economic Forum in January and in his apostolic exhortation "The Joy of the Gospel." That document, which denounced trickle-down economic theories as unproven and naive, provoked accusations in the U.S. that he was a Marxist.

Francis urged the U.N. to promote development goals that attack the root causes of poverty and hunger, protect the environment and ensure dignified labor for all.

"Specifically, this involves challenging all forms of injustices and resisting the economy of exclusion, the throwaway culture and the culture of death which nowadays sadly risk becoming passively accepted," he said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_VATICAN_UN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-09-06-31-28

Now charity is when government takes more money from us and gives it to the poor. I'm not sure what would be considered separation between Church and State if we have the Pope sticking his nose into our wallets.

It strikes me as odd that most Church's in America are open on Sunday for people who pay. They don't care for the poor anymore. Maybe that is why the Pope is floating this idea about the State collecting money by gun point and redistributing it.

I'm pretty sure organized religion is just organized crime.

The Pope should stick to saving lives and caring for the poor, lol. It's interesting that he doesn't even know that free markets lift people out of poverty while what he suggests puts more people into poverty.

I wonder if the Pope has any advice for my portfolio.

As I recall, he actuallly said redestribute opportunty to the poor. Wealth wasn't mentioned.

Pope Francis to World: Redistribute The Wealth
Dan Kedmey May 9, 2014

http://time.com/94264/pope-francis-redistribute-wealth/

Did you move to Colorado?

Ok so where's the actual quote where the Pope uses "wealth?" All I have seen in the subsequent media outcry is a bunch of paraphrasing, which comes from an interpretation of what was actually said.
Post edited by Questor at 5/12/2014 8:28:49 AM

Originally posted by: Questor
Ok so where's the actual quote where the Pope uses "wealth?" All I have seen in the subsequent media outcry is a bunch of paraphrasing, which comes from an interpretation of what was actually said.

Uh, ok.

Perhaps you can shed some light on what the Pope means by "economy of exclusion (aka: income inequality)"?

read his speech here: http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-to-un-resist-the-economy-of-exclusion-serve-t

I'm torn in this. I feel in some sense 'the poor' are the same crowd as the welfare mentality. I'd rather give them the opportunity of work than handouts they later come to expect.
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Originally posted by: Questor
Ok so where's the actual quote where the Pope uses "wealth?" All I have seen in the subsequent media outcry is a bunch of paraphrasing, which comes from an interpretation of what was actually said.

Uh, ok.

Perhaps you can shed some light on what the Pope means by "economy of exclusion (aka: income inequality)"?

read his speech here: http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-to-un-resist-the-economy-of-exclusion-serve-t

Don't take the word "economy" so literally. It could just as easily mean that people are excluded from having the same opportunities afforded to others because the quality of their education, etc. is substandard.

In that entire speech, "wealth," "money," "currency," and "riches" are not used once. Don't you think that if he truly meant this in a monetary sense he could have slipped in one of those words at least once?
Post edited by Questor at 5/12/2014 12:45:50 PM

From the link SS provided:

The Pope also pointed the executives to the Gospel story of Zacchaeus the Tax collector, as an example of how it’s never too late to correct injustice

“Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others”.

"we must share with complete freedom" that right there seems to be saying that governments shouldn't be forcing taxes on us and that we should all of our own will be charitable if we were to look at just that idea alone.

I think taking the whole address in one piece infers that governments must do more to raise the standard of living for the poor. I'm not sure what he means by the word 'material' in the above quote. As far as I can tell, governments collect money from us in terms of taxes. I'm not sure they collect other material items from us. The logical conclusion has to be material redistribution is money redistribution.

He doesn't say wealth, fine. This is a fantastic Pope in my opinion. He truly cares about the poor. I would just like to ask this Pope one question. Which economic idea has provided more economic benefits for the poor over human history?

I'll ask you Questor, how did America, in 200 years, become the greatest economic power in such a short time frame? Also, how is that in the last two decades our economic power is decreasing while China's economic power is increasing? What kind of economic ideas are pushing the train, so to speak?

Let's not kid ourselves, the Pope is talking about economics and the environment. While we all have an opinion, I honestly think the Pope needs to stick to his area of expertise. Increasing the standard of living for the poor isn't his job. I believe we should all be charitable when we can and not have the government take money from us to help other people. That is not charity. I wouldn't care for a Pope that told governments to tax less so that people could give more to charity.

When your flock is dwindling and leaving your coffers empty, where would you go for a bailout? So, the Catholic church is no different than any other enterprise. Go get the government to force more taxes because the government has a way of doing things that will land you in jail if you don't do them.

Pope needs to keep his nose out of politics.

Ok, so we'll agree to disagree. You focused on "material" while I focused on "intellectual and spiritual" (i.e. religious persecution).

My 2 > your 1.
Post edited by Questor at 5/13/2014 10:51:23 AM

Originally posted by: Questor
Ok, so we'll agree to disagree. You focused on "material" while I focused on "intellectual and spiritual" (i.e. religious persecution).

My 2 > your 1.

You're bald dude! 2 to 2!

Wait, a Pope is saying that helping those less fortunate is more important than greed? It's like he is just cut and pasting this stuff from the Bible.

Does the Pope have a bill of rights? Where exactly does it say that a Pope would not want to influence politics? Where is it written in Vatican law that a Pope would not want a single religion that influenced all people? Oh wait, Cocytus is confusing the US Constitution with what a Pope can or can't do. I see how he could get that confused. Cause he is an idiot.

Pope Francis lives as simple a life as he can eschewing many luxuries that could be his for the taking, spends his time among the people, and pushes for the 1% who have more wealth than the entire bottom 50% of the planet combined to share a little good fortune.

What is up with this guy? Who is hero? Jesus?

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Wait, a Pope is saying that helping those less fortunate is more important than greed? It's like he is just cut and pasting this stuff from the Bible.

Does the Pope have a bill of rights? Where exactly does it say that a Pope would not want to influence politics? Where is it written in Vatican law that a Pope would not want a single religion that influenced all people? Oh wait, Cocytus is confusing the US Constitution with what a Pope can or can't do. I see how he could get that confused. Cause he is an idiot.

Pope Francis lives as simple a life as he can eschewing many luxuries that could be his for the taking, spends his time among the people, and pushes for the 1% who have more wealth than the entire bottom 50% of the planet combined to share a little good fortune.

What is up with this guy? Who is hero? Jesus?

Hey flap trap!

I said this Pope is a good one and that he cares for the poor. I only question why he wants to stick his nose into economics when he has zero expertise.

I'm pretty sure you'd be the first person to say something if our government decided to add a 10% tax, on top of income tax, to give to the poor in name of the Catholic church.

Is that in the Constitution?

Your hard for me is getting perverse. Simmer down you mouth slobbering slug.

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Wait, a Pope is saying that helping those less fortunate is more important than greed? It's like he is just cut and pasting this stuff from the Bible.

Does the Pope have a bill of rights? Where exactly does it say that a Pope would not want to influence politics? Where is it written in Vatican law that a Pope would not want a single religion that influenced all people? Oh wait, Cocytus is confusing the US Constitution with what a Pope can or can't do. I see how he could get that confused. Cause he is an idiot.

Pope Francis lives as simple a life as he can eschewing many luxuries that could be his for the taking, spends his time among the people, and pushes for the 1% who have more wealth than the entire bottom 50% of the planet combined to share a little good fortune.

What is up with this guy? Who is hero? Jesus?

Hey flap trap!

I said this Pope is a good one and that he cares for the poor. I only question why he wants to stick his nose into economics when he has zero expertise.

I'm pretty sure you'd be the first person to say something if our government decided to add a 10% tax, on top of income tax, to give to the poor in name of the Catholic church.

Is that in the Constitution?

Your hard for me is getting perverse. Simmer down you mouth slobbering slug.

Haven't posted in several months, Coctyus claims I am stalking him. Dumb is not always a choice, its sometimes a condition.

Proof that the Pope has zero economic experience? Since you offered it as a fact, please provide proof. He is the head of a nation state after all.

Where did the Pope call for taxes? How about a reduction in pork barrel projects and bridges to no where? How about not bailing out billionaires while foreclosing on the working poor? How about stopping unrestricted greed that sucks money out of the country and puts it into the pockets of the 1% who then move it offshore to keep it from getting back into the economy. How about not taking money from the people, offering it as a zero percent loan to banks, then allowing the banks to charge usuary rates on loans, foreclose on houses they don't have a right to, and allowing the to change laws that endanger our entire country.


Oh boo hoo, the Pope wants everyone to have food and a place to sleep instead of allowing 1 out of every 100K people to own a yacht that is bigger than Rhode Island. He is a bad man, lets start a thread.

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Wait, a Pope is saying that helping those less fortunate is more important than greed? It's like he is just cut and pasting this stuff from the Bible.

Does the Pope have a bill of rights? Where exactly does it say that a Pope would not want to influence politics? Where is it written in Vatican law that a Pope would not want a single religion that influenced all people? Oh wait, Cocytus is confusing the US Constitution with what a Pope can or can't do. I see how he could get that confused. Cause he is an idiot.

Pope Francis lives as simple a life as he can eschewing many luxuries that could be his for the taking, spends his time among the people, and pushes for the 1% who have more wealth than the entire bottom 50% of the planet combined to share a little good fortune.

What is up with this guy? Who is hero? Jesus?

Hey flap trap!

I said this Pope is a good one and that he cares for the poor. I only question why he wants to stick his nose into economics when he has zero expertise.

I'm pretty sure you'd be the first person to say something if our government decided to add a 10% tax, on top of income tax, to give to the poor in name of the Catholic church.

Is that in the Constitution?

Your hard for me is getting perverse. Simmer down you mouth slobbering slug.

Haven't posted in several months, Coctyus claims I am stalking him. Dumb is not always a choice, its sometimes a condition.

Proof that the Pope has zero economic experience? Since you offered it as a fact, please provide proof. He is the head of a nation state after all.

Where did the Pope call for taxes? How about a reduction in pork barrel projects and bridges to no where? How about not bailing out billionaires while foreclosing on the working poor? How about stopping unrestricted greed that sucks money out of the country and puts it into the pockets of the 1% who then move it offshore to keep it from getting back into the economy. How about not taking money from the people, offering it as a zero percent loan to banks, then allowing the banks to charge usuary rates on loans, foreclose on houses they don't have a right to, and allowing the to change laws that endanger our entire country.


Oh boo hoo, the Pope wants everyone to have food and a place to sleep instead of allowing 1 out of every 100K people to own a yacht that is bigger than Rhode Island. He is a bad man, lets start a thread.

You know how I know you are poor? Every time you come back to post here it's a about a sale on some product that is going to make some billionaire buy another boat so that he can fuck his mistress in style.

Capitalism works!

Since when did you start slobbering all over the Pope's pole?

Christians in Israel and Palestine fear rise in violence ahead of pope's visit

Concerns raised about spate of vandalism by hardline Jewish nationalists in Jerusalem churches and attacks in Galilee

Christians in Israel and Palestine fear an escalation of violence against them after a spate of vandalism in Jerusalem churches by hardline Jewish nationalists ahead of Pope Francis's visit this month.

Earlier this week vandals wrote "Death to Arabs and Christians" in Hebrew on the Vatican's Notre Dame centre in Jerusalem's Old City and on Thursday night offensive graffiti was written on a wall close to the Romanian Orthodox church.

Pope Francis is due to stay at the Notre Dame centre during his two-day trip to Jerusalem and Bethlehem from 24 to 26 May.

Both incidents come just weeks after a spate of attacks against Christians in Galilee, where a place of worship was vandalised and stones thrown at pilgrims. A radical rabbi also sent a threatening letter to a priest in Nazareth.
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Cocy you just get too jarred up when anyone says the word poor and they should have more opportunities anywhere in the same paragraph.

for sure there are some poor folks that deserve to be cause they are lazy fucks.

at the same time income inequality is a legitimate issue. you need to come somewhere in the middle and realize this and then maybe the pope won't give you such a hard on.
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Originally posted by: Pixel
Cocy you just get too jarred up when anyone says the word poor and they should have more opportunities anywhere in the same paragraph.

for sure there are some poor folks that deserve to be cause they are lazy fucks.

at the same time income inequality is a legitimate issue. you need to come somewhere in the middle and realize this and then maybe the pope won't give you such a hard on.

Please don't misconstrue my view on this subject. I've had a silver spoon rammed so hard down my throat it's coming out of my ass. My family, not me, did something significant for this country. I look around at all the belly aching and wonder if people will ever be grateful for the things that industrious men and women have done for all of us. It's like these advances don't mean shit unless everyone gets a not only the advancement itself, but the monetary reward for the advancement. Fuck that noise man!

You tell me to not look at all the poor in the same light, I don't. That goes the same for the rich. Every time I go to the Getty museum here in L.A., I think to myself what a generous gift that family gave to all of us. I don't walk around there thinking, these God damn rich people are shit.

It goes both ways. I know riding my nuts is like visiting Six Flags Magic Mountain for Bigguns, but he started it!

This is what happens when the commie hippie generations of the 60's and 70's are in top positions because just about everywhere we reward seniority with leadership. Just about everywhere is affected by this.

Be glad when that generation starts dying off/retiring.

Originally posted by: Cocytus
Every time I go to the Getty museum here in L.A., I think to myself what a generous gift that family gave to all of us. I don't walk around there thinking, these God damn rich people are shit.

never occured to me either when walking around the Met and seeing x donated by x person to think negative thoughts at all.
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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: Stryk
This is what happens when the commie hippie generations of the 60's and 70's are in top positions because just about everywhere we reward seniority with leadership. Just about everywhere is affected by this.

Be glad when that generation starts dying off/retiring.

True but they still vote with personal interest/gain in mind and want to live forever at their children's and grand children's expense. Not all of course but most seam to hold this value in high regard.

Originally posted by: Dieslut
but they still vote with personal interest/gain in mind and want to live forever at their children's and grand children's expense.

what does that mean exactly? How do they want to live forever at thier childrens expense?

Originally posted by: Cocytus

You know how I know you are poor? Every time you come back to post here it's a about a sale on some product that is going to make some billionaire buy another boat so that he can fuck his mistress in style.

Capitalism works!

Since when did you start slobbering all over the Pope's pole?

Do you know how I know your dumb as a rock? I read your posts. FYI - posting about a sale to help out other people might be more about helping out some others. But feel free to imagine yourself as superior because you don't / won't post something that might be of value.

Unfettered, uncontrolled, unregulated capitalism does not work. How well did it work during the financial crisis? Oh wait, we can't let those douche bags that fucked the country fail, like CAPITALISM would have it, we have to bail them out. But if the Pope suggests showing some human compassion to someone less fortunate, he is trying to take from you?


As the famous Saturday Night quote says " Jane, you ignorant slut". You get fucked in the ass all day and all night by those using the guise of capitalism. They create monopolies that fund their ability to buy the best government protection that campaign funding can get, they take more and give less without allowing competition, they avoid taxes and funnel their money offshore so it can't trickle down to you, then when their ponzi scheme fails, they get you to bail them out.


But what grinds your gears? The Pope says that caring for your fellow man is more important than upgrading your 50 inch tv to a 60 inch tv.
Post edited by Bigguns 93 at 5/22/2014 12:11:38 PM

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93

Originally posted by: Cocytus

You know how I know you are poor? Every time you come back to post here it's a about a sale on some product that is going to make some billionaire buy another boat so that he can fuck his mistress in style.

Capitalism works!

Since when did you start slobbering all over the Pope's pole?

Do you know how I know your dumb as a rock? I read your posts. FYI - posting about a sale to help out other people might be more about helping out some others. But feel free to imagine yourself as superior because you don't / won't post something that might be of value.

Unfettered, uncontrolled, unregulated capitalism does not work. How well did it work during the financial crisis? Oh wait, we can't let those douche bags that fucked the country fail, like CAPITALISM would have it, we have to bail them out. But if the Pope suggests showing some human compassion to someone less fortunate, he is trying to take from you?


As the famous Saturday Night quote says " Jane, you ignorant slut". You get fucked in the ass all day and all night by those using the guise of capitalism. They create monopolies that fund their ability to buy the best government protection that campaign funding can get, they take more and give less without allowing competition, they avoid taxes and funnel their money offshore so it can't trickle down to you, then when their ponzi scheme fails, they get you to bail them out.


But what grinds your gears? The Pope says that caring for your fellow man is more important than upgrading your 50 inch tv to a 60 inch tv.

First, there hasn't been a free market for some time. I'm not sure we disagree that capitalism works better than every other economic system so long as it is allowed to function.

Second, I'm all for charity when a person can afford it. Charity is something that should be done without the cajoling of a religious leader. I guess if the Pope sent out his flock to hock deals on video games you'd be going to Heaven.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure your brain isn't firing on all cylinders given your haphazard ranting towards me. You used to be worth talking too, but it seems like you have nothing to contribute but vitriolic pettiness.

Originally posted by: Pixel

Originally posted by: Cocytus
Every time I go to the Getty museum here in L.A., I think to myself what a generous gift that family gave to all of us. I don't walk around there thinking, these God damn rich people are shit.

never occured to me either when walking around the Met and seeing x donated by x person to think negative thoughts at all.

I think of how much those rich bastards fucked over everyone, including their patriotic obligations, to get that obscene wealth then latter think they can create revisionist history by giving away a fraction of that wealth.

There might be a handful of people who actually worked for their wealth legitimately and treated people fairly to get there. Vast majority are just crack dealers on a much larger scale.

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Vast majority are just crack dealers on a much larger scale.

Finally you understand that you are just as much a part of their wealth creation by pimping game deals for them all day.

Seriously, most of us are too stupid to make advancements for man kind and our only ability seems to be to complain about it. Let's not forget about procreating the planet to death.

Do you really think mankind has any hope of not being a part of the consumerism that enslaves us and makes them wealthy? Is it just low brain power or is there something innate that keeps us all drooling to stampede a Walmart for the next Air Jordans or XBox?

The world should be more egalitarian. Unfortunately those with great wealth are too often detached from the realities of the world's poor. The idea of the charitable rich guy (e.g. Gates, Rockefeller, etc.) is not nearly common enough in reality. And its not just charity or aid that the world's poor need. Its opportunity. The chance to prove yourself and to be rewarded for your efforts. That is possible in some countries, like the U.S. but it is not as common in many other parts of the world. And the U.S. is not perfect either. We need to find solutions that really enable the working poor to have better opportunities.

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The world should be more egalitarian.

My high school physics teacher probably believed something like that because at the start of the first day he told us we were all starting with an A. Of course, after that first day we all had to keep the A.

You can't speak of making things equal when they never will be. We are all given certain abilities and luck. While we will never be able to have everyone at the top of the food chain, economically speaking, it certainly doesn't change the fact that we should still treat each other with some basic levels of respect.

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
And its not just charity or aid that the world's poor need. Its opportunity. The chance to prove yourself and to be rewarded for your efforts.

I didn't realize you were such a big supporter of the free market.

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the chance to prove yourself and be rewarded for your efforts

sounds like a good deal to me

too bad our system does the opposite of that. they take half of your rewarding, your incentive, if you succeed. they give that half to those who fail in the form of bailouts, welfare, and subsidizing poor ideas.

makes you wonder if failure and piss poor decision making isn't our actual objective....given our prioritization system

Originally posted by: Mockery
the chance to prove yourself and be rewarded for your efforts

sounds like a good deal to me

too bad our system does the opposite of that. they take half of your rewarding, your incentive, if you succeed. they give that half to those who fail in the form of bailouts, welfare, and subsidizing poor ideas.

makes you wonder if failure and piss poor decision making isn't our actual objective....given our prioritization system

I'm afraid that is what Blue means by egalitarian. By taking from those who have and giving to those who do not, you are giving them a chance to become a have. Rinse and repeat, somehow that will be a sustainable mechanism by which things are equal.

This argument reminds me of the video you posted with the guy using marbles to show how population is out of control. There just isn't enough money to go around and over population is most likely the culprit. We could destroy the world and maybe a couple thousand people in the Amazon jungle could then split all the money in the world and things would be equal.

It's such a silly notion to think that if we gave everyone on the planet a chance to be a movie star, that that is an equal system. I just can't think of a logical way that would work. Emotionally, yea baby! I can see myself as Don Corleone.

right? there is a difference between having a fair chance....and forcing equal outcomes.

to push for equal outcomes, given different paths and results, is the height of what is wrong with the world we are seeing today.

Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
And its not just charity or aid that the world's poor need. Its opportunity. The chance to prove yourself and to be rewarded for your efforts.

I didn't realize you were such a big supporter of the free market.

Socialism isn't the answer to everything.

said no owebama voter ever

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
And its not just charity or aid that the world's poor need. Its opportunity. The chance to prove yourself and to be rewarded for your efforts.

I didn't realize you were such a big supporter of the free market.

Socialism isn't the answer to everything anything.

I fixed that for you.

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volunteer socialism can be wonderful i imagine.

but unfortunately free volition isn't part of modern day socialism.

it's dick heads with guns all pointing them at you for not doing what they dictate.

Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
And its not just charity or aid that the world's poor need. Its opportunity. The chance to prove yourself and to be rewarded for your efforts.

I didn't realize you were such a big supporter of the free market.

Socialism isn't the answer to everything anything.

I fixed that for you.

Well aren't you handy? Always fixing everything .

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
And its not just charity or aid that the world's poor need. Its opportunity. The chance to prove yourself and to be rewarded for your efforts.

I didn't realize you were such a big supporter of the free market.

Socialism isn't the answer to everything anything.

I fixed that for you.

Well, aren't you handy? Always fixing everything .

Yep.

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-Lew Rockwell