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Obama's Ruby Ridge?

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good thing we have 24 hour news stations letting us all know about this.

Obama starts war in America with a rancher who was minding his own business

In the latest attempt to rub out the family farm, the Federal Government is targeting a rancher in Nevada by sending in armed agents, armored vehicles and low-lying helicopters to steal the ranchers cattle.

Cliven Bundy, who has been fighting the federal government’s attempts to shut him down for the last 20 years, is in a bitter battle that just took a turn for the worse. Over the weekend, armed federal agents from the Bureau of Land Management stormed Bundy’s land, stealing over 500 of the rancher’s cattle.

The government claims the cattle were illegally grazing on government land; but Bundy, who has been a rancher all his life, says he’s been doing it this way for decades. In fact, his cattle are grazing on the same land that his father and father’s father used to raise their cattle.

The trouble started in 1993 when Bundy refused to pay the feds for the right to allow his cattle to graze on land that he claims has been in his family since the 1880s. His family actually owned the land before the Bureau of Land Management ever even came into existence; so how the federal government can now claim they own the land is a bit puzzling.
“We own this land,” he said, not the feds. He said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM.

“Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,” he said. “I’m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.”

So why now?
According to the feds, this is all about protecting the desert tortoise. Yep, apparently protecting a turtle is now reason enough to storm a man’s property and illegally steal his cattle.

Just before the round-up began, Bundy claims armed federal agents surrounded his 150-acre ranch.

“They’ve been bringing men in and equipment and setting up a compound,” Bundy told FoxNews.com Monday. “They got helicopters flying low. They got snipers around the ranch. Our access to public lands has been blocked.”

Bundy says he’s extremely fearful that the federal government is trying to turn this into another Ruby Ridge or Waco situation. The BLM has closed public lands in Clark County while they work on a plan to round up the “trespassing” cattle. Only marked vehicles are being allowed into the area and “free speech zones” have been set up several miles from the ranch in an attempt to corral protestors who have made their way into the area.
“I’ve tried to fight this thing legally, and I’ve tried to fight it politically,” Bundy said. “We’ve got one more fight. We the people haven’t fought yet.”

This is video shot by the family who claims the BLM assaulted and hauled off one of Bundy’s sons for filming them steal his dad’s cattle.
“He was there to do some filming when about 11 federal agents pulled up and arrested him,” Bundy told Las Vegas News 3. “They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down. We don’t know where he is now.”




fucking snipers, free speech zones.... yep, this is the Obama you all voted for. this is what happens when you fight against big Agri. this is what happens when you vote for authoritarians to control every aspect of your life.

expect to read more stories like this but about people refusing to pay for the UnaffordableCare Tax.

fight the power. destroy the federal govt.




You're a fucking moron to scapegoat Obama into a decades long land dispute. All you do is come across like a half brained idiot when you use "Obama" for all of the worlds problems. Figure out why this started, when this started, what are the legal grounds for both sides not just the "poor little guy" you keep hollering about. As far as I care, this ranchers been stealing from the people, who in turn pay more because he refused to pay his fees. What difference is this from everyone's premiums being jacked because others don't have health insurance. Same shit.

Obama this, Obama that... moron


i cant believe you are going to try to shift the blame away from the current administration to a previous administration.



horry sheet.

b-b-b-b-but... ClintonBush... yeah, Bush.

you are easier to troll than the Muslims are. all i have to do is put the name Obama somewhere in the post title or comments and the idiots come out to defend their mistakes.

Post edited by samUwell at 4/8/2014 10:49:22 AM
Originally posted by: samUwell


i cant believe you are going to try to shift the blame away from the current administration to a previous administration.



horry sheet.

b-b-b-b-but... ClintonBush... yeah, Bush.


This isn't an administration issue you moron. It's a thief not paying his dues to the people. Not one person in the white house probably knows who the hell Clive Bundy is. Also, my father used to camp on some land, and his father before that did too...It must magically belong to me now.

And the only blame here goes to the thief who's been mooching for generations and finally got caught.
Originally posted by: samUwell


you are easier to troll than the Muslims are. all i have to do is put the name Obama somewhere in the post title or comments and the idiots come out to defend their mistakes.


Putting Obama in the name only makes you look foolish, next cycle you'll just fill in the blank and still rage on about your moronic conspiracy theories. Get real clown.
The response from the government is what is ridiculous, completely overdone. Snipers? Helicopters? Free Speech zones?

And MX+B's issue is this man is "stealing" grass?


Originally posted by: =>PX<=Major
The response from the government is what is ridiculous, completely overdone. Snipers? Helicopters? Free Speech zones?

And MX+B's issue is this man is "stealing" grass?




On top of that, it's nice to know the government has taken complete control over grass. Fuck those cows! You know what I mean?
Tax this! Tax that! The govt is outa control on taxes. I wonder if these Obama supporters even know what the Boston Tea party was about!!
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Originally posted by: mx+b

This isn't an administration issue you moron. It's a thief not paying his dues to the people. Not one person in the white house probably knows who the hell Clive Bundy is. Also, my father used to camp on some land, and his father before that did too...It must magically belong to me now.

And the only blame here goes to the thief who's been mooching for generations and finally got caught.


from the POSTED ARTICLE

"The trouble started in 1993 when Bundy refused to pay the feds for the right to allow his cattle to graze on land that he claims has been in his family since the 1880s. His family actually owned the land before the Bureau of Land Management ever even came into existence; so how the federal government can now claim they own the land is a bit puzzling.

“We own this land,” he said, not the feds. He said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM. . ."

The only thief mentioned is the federal government.

jesus christ I hope the government is paying you for this shit . . .
Glad someone posted this. Thanks Sam.

I'm mixed. If this dude were Native American the government would be sucking his dick and throwing our tax payer money at this family to do it.

He's not.....so he's fucked. Even though the indigenous people argument is no less sound. Mormon's fled America and were later reabsorbed.....making them as native to the land as any other protected class (assuming I care).

as far as consistency goes, this enviro argument is so tired and sad. I've seen areas in Texas where on one side ranchers kill endangered prairie dogs, for making holes that hurt cattle, and on the other, literally hundreds of feet away, the tax payers pay millions a year to keep them alive.

dumb, dumb, dumb dumb.....

IMO this is a property rights argument. whoever owns this piece of property makes the rules. if they take the cattle off his land, that he owns, he should be able to shoot these BLM fucks. As it sits, his cows are trespassing IMO.



Remember the tragedy of the commons folks.
I will entertain the argument that the BLM doesn't own this land, or most of Nevada for that sake.

Those fucks should be forced to pay property taxes on land it holds, it owns, like everyone else does who lives there.....and if that were the case more money would come to that area and they might have to free up more grounds that they are mindlessly stockpiling away.

Instead of property taxes they pay a pittance registration fee, which are a cheap way of letting them hoard most of the state for practically nothing.

Why would they want to do that?



Nevada is largely desert and semiarid, with much of it located within the Great Basin. Areas south of the Great Basin are located within the Mojave Desert, while Lake Tahoe and the Sierra Nevada lie on the western edge. Approximately 86% of the state's land is owned by various jurisdictions of the U.S. federal government, both civilian and military.[8]


No shit......that's shocking.

Greedy fucks
Post edited by Mockery at 4/9/2014 4:25:33 AM
Originally posted by: mx+b
You're a fucking moron to scapegoat Obama into a decades long land dispute. All you do is come across like a half brained idiot when you use "Obama" for all of the worlds problems. Figure out why this started, when this started, what are the legal grounds for both sides not just the "poor little guy" you keep hollering about. As far as I care, this ranchers been stealing from the people, who in turn pay more because he refused to pay his fees. What difference is this from everyone's premiums being jacked because others don't have health insurance. Same shit.

Obama this, Obama that... moron
Yah obummer! trample those rights! free speech be damned! Go obummer!

http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/

when vacuous vagina posts all i can hear is a vortex of sucking sound.

Originally posted by: Mockery
when vacuous vagina posts all i can hear is a vortex of sucking sound.



Anytime any Obama lover posts I hear that sound!
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"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
when vacuous vagina posts all i can hear is a vortex of sucking sound.



Anytime any Obama lover posts I hear that sound!


I honestly don't care too much for Obama, it's the hilarious scapegoating though that annoys me. I didn't get my way, THANKS OBAMA! I tripped, THANKS OBAMA!
Originally posted by: =>PX<=Major
The response from the government is what is ridiculous, completely overdone. Snipers? Helicopters? Free Speech zones?

And MX+B's issue is this man is "stealing" grass?


hunting someone for eating skittles doesn't seem so bad all of a sudden.
Originally posted by: mx+b
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
when vacuous vagina posts all i can hear is a vortex of sucking sound.



Anytime any Obama lover posts I hear that sound!


I honestly don't care too much for Obama, it's the hilarious scapegoating though that annoys me. I didn't get my way, THANKS OBAMA! I tripped, THANKS OBAMA!


Obama could ask these Federales to stand down and try a diplomatic approach or sanctions. Seems to be working with the Iranians. Why is our government so eager under certain administrations to go after hard working Americans and not the riff raff?
priorities, priorities, ours are piss poor.

i remember reading an article, from some leftists diatribe site, talking about how harsh obama admin has been on illegals. how many have been caught, rounded up, etc.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/202142-dhs-document-68000-illegal-immigrants-with-criminal-convictions-released-in

then i read this. total fucking bullshit, just like them continuing the drug war on weed, against guns, and everything else they stand for.

they have the ability to pick what they go after and with what severity level. as such, they are responsible for its final outcome. just like ruby ridge and waco texas.
Oh got damn...this getting real good





watch this video if you want to see some serious escalation. might be a good time for them gov goons to back the fuck down.....
Originally posted by: Cocytus
Originally posted by: mx+b
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
when vacuous vagina posts all i can hear is a vortex of sucking sound.



Anytime any Obama lover posts I hear that sound!


I honestly don't care too much for Obama, it's the hilarious scapegoating though that annoys me. I didn't get my way, THANKS OBAMA! I tripped, THANKS OBAMA!


Obama could ask these Federales to stand down and try a diplomatic approach or sanctions. Seems to be working with the Iranians. Why is our government so eager under certain administrations to go after hard working Americans and not the riff raff?
because the riff raff are dumb and easy to manipulate with Obamacare commercials or handouts from govt
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"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: Mockery
Oh got damn...this getting real good





watch this video if you want to see some serious escalation. might be a good time for them gov goons to back the fuck down.....


that clip was shown on foxnews this morning, I'm SURE all the other MSM have been showing it too . . . amirite?
Cops were acting like douchebags. Seems more and more police forces are becoming paramilitary dicks
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"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Cops were acting like douchebags. Seems more and more police forces are becoming paramilitary dicks


http://www.dailyiowan.com/2014/04/08/Opinions/37365.html

Originally posted by: Killet
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Cops were acting like douchebags. Seems more and more police forces are becoming paramilitary dicks


http://www.dailyiowan.com/2014/04/08/Opinions/37365.html



exactly....i was reading about that city that acquired an mrap in another article. they are either preparing for war against us, or the military industrial complex is beyond out of control (my guess is both).



found this interesting. types of swat style raids up to over 100 a day in this country now. not just for drug busts, but for illegal poker games, people who serve raw milk, and anything else they want to use it for.
updates

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=1070&sid=29387272&fm=most_popular

http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/expect-to-see-a-band-of-soldiers-militia-members-arrive-at-nevada-ranch/


This could get big, if enough people show up to face off the feds we will probably see something shiny pop up somewhere

Originally posted by: Killet

This could get big, if enough people show up to face off the feds we will probably see something shiny pop up somewhere



Nuke?
thanks for the great updates killet.



the federal government starting shit all over the country now (more than ever before)....guess it is the natural progression.

this "oath keepers" trolling of the ATF at Ares made me giggle.
Post edited by Mockery at 4/10/2014 4:52:29 PM
Originally posted by: Killet
updates

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=1070&sid=29387272&fm=most_popular

http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/expect-to-see-a-band-of-soldiers-militia-members-arrive-at-nevada-ranch/


This could get big, if enough people show up to face off the feds we will probably see something shiny pop up somewhere

or the Feds will classify as terrorists and drone strike them
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"If guns kill people then spoons make us fat!"
Originally posted by: mx+b
This isn't an administration issue you moron. It's a thief not paying his dues to the people. Not one person in the white house probably knows who the hell Clive Bundy is. Also, my father used to camp on some land, and his father before that did too...It must magically belong to me now.

And the only blame here goes to the thief who's been mooching for generations and finally got caught.
i really like how you used the word, probably.

did you vote for the director of the BLM? no, none of us did. Obama appointed the person to the position so this rides on Obama all the way.

getting sick and fucking tired of the Emocrats saying that Obama knows nothing about anything that goes wrong in this country. this fucking clown of a president doesn't seem to know anything and as long as he has his cheer leading squads such as yourself, backing up how clueless this president is, he gets away with more and more.

this is HIS mess. you voted for him so, its YOUR mess too.

but, i am sure you knew last year that BLM to kill hundreds of desert tortoises as its conservation center runs out of money, you know, the ones they are all-of-a-sudden trying to save.

but this federal agency, the BLM (since when did they get snipers?) is doing its job to protect their, BLM sells 29 oil, gas leases in northeast Nevada for fracking. even though fracking is the number one reason for all the earthquakes in Oklahoma.

but i am sure you are really concerned for all those welfare recipients and the millions of families on food stamps who are having a really tough time buying beef products because Obama and his alphabet terrorist groups continue to impose regulations on the small business to protect his friends in high places so they can make even more money because US SPOT Food Prices Are Up 19% In 2014.

so yeah, keep defending Obama and his terrorist friends as they force fascism on the American public, you fucking Statist.
Post edited by samUwell at 4/10/2014 9:21:27 PM
good points Sam....he gets no pass with me.

most leftists remember this event, if they didn't see the documentary (on netflix).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478090/

about how tommy chong was arrested because his son, not him, sold a bong (no drugs) to a shithole state with overzealous drug paraphernalia laws.

in said documentary the person leading the charge against tommy chong, who had nothing to do with any of this, but having his name stamped onto an item he didn't sell, was a fanatical fundamentalist idiot.

Just like Bush's other shit appointments to NASA, DOJ, etc.....

But suddenly the same shit goes on and it isn't Obama's fault? How the fuck is that possible.

Whoever appointed these fuck sticks, who set legal precedent, and agency prioritization, very much has skin in the game for what does and doesn't become their top priority.

This is as dumb as saying Ruby Ridge and Waco weren't Clinton's big fuck ups for letting that crazy cunt Janet Reno have any authority.
USA Today: NSA Denies Obama Knew Of Spying On German Leader

CNN: HHS Chief: President Didn’t Know Of Obamacare Website Woes Beforehand

Politico: Senior W.H. Staff Knew Of IRS Investigation, Did Not Tell Obama

Weekly Standard: Obama Claims He Didn’t Know About the Petraeus Investigation

Business Insider: The White House Says It Had No Idea The DOJ Seized The AP’s Phone Records

Real Clear Politics: Carney: Obama Didn’t Know About Fast & Furious Until He Saw It In Media

NBC NEWS: Obama didn't know millions of Americans would lose health care coverage: “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” ~ Obama.

oh wait, what am i talking about? Obama knew all along that everyone would lose their coverage. sorry, i linked an NBC propaganda story telling the idiot Americans that, surprise surprise, Obama once again, didn't KNOW ANYTHING!!!

this fucking guy doesn't know anything, apparently, yet he was voted into office for a second time. and now his cheer leaders are claiming he doesn't know about the BLM forcing people off their property under Agenda 21 rules and regulations because he is so busy doing...? what? golfing? playing with his fantasy four shit?

and i haven't even addressed mx+b's comments about this farmer being a thief and its not because i have nothing to say; believe me, i have a whole shit ton to say about how someone can be a thief to their own property but every time i write something out, i delete it because i get so pissed off and go off in a tangent.

you cannot steal from yourself. its the govts job to steal from us and our god given natural rights to defend our property from any theft that ever occurs. even if its from the govt.

btw- since when does anyone ever pay property taxes to the federal govt? this farmer HAS BEEN PAYING his dues to the LOCAL govt. he is exercising his right to NOT recognize the BLM just like how i dont recognize the BLM just like i dont recognize the IRS, DHS, FBI, BATF, CIA, FDA, FCC, UN, UNESCO, or any of the other alphabet terrorist agencies.
Post edited by samUwell at 4/11/2014 9:46:38 AM
sam,

I believe Obama said he would rule the country more like Reagan. I don't recall was part of Reagan's administration. Maybe our Presidents lose their memories when they get the job.

You are not alone. About half the stuff I type out never gets posted. I think to myself, stupid people are exactly that. I've actually changed a lot of my views about politics. I've seen some others here change positions, but it's rare.

I don't know exactly what's going on with this story. It strikes me as fucking stupid we have federal agents in the bumfuck Nevada dictating shit about land nobody gives a shit about but the people who live there. Bizzaro!
http://www.infowars.com/county-commissioner-says-bundy-supporters-better-have-funeral-plans/

"The comments were revealed by Darin Bushman, a Piute County, Utah, commissioner after he spoke with Collins about Utah ranchers and his colleagues on the County Commission complaining about tactics used by Bureau of Land Management agents during their seizure of Bundy’s cattle in southern Nevada.

“I was just told by commissioner Collins of Clark County NV that all of us folks from Utah are a bunch of “inbred bastards” and if we are coming to Clark County NV to support Cliven Bundy we all “better have funeral plans”. We should “turn our asses around on mind our own f-ing business”. Now there’s some classy leadership for you,” wrote Bushman on his official Facebook page."

more tyranny at link

OBOY

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/


Post edited by Killet at 4/11/2014 1:12:02 PM
Originally posted by: samUwell
USA Today: NSA Denies Obama Knew Of Spying On German Leader

CNN: HHS Chief: President Didn’t Know Of Obamacare Website Woes Beforehand

Politico: Senior W.H. Staff Knew Of IRS Investigation, Did Not Tell Obama

Weekly Standard: Obama Claims He Didn’t Know About the Petraeus Investigation

Business Insider: The White House Says It Had No Idea The DOJ Seized The AP’s Phone Records

Real Clear Politics: Carney: Obama Didn’t Know About Fast & Furious Until He Saw It In Media

NBC NEWS: Obama didn't know millions of Americans would lose health care coverage: “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” ~ Obama.

oh wait, what am i talking about? Obama knew all along that everyone would lose their coverage. sorry, i linked an NBC propaganda story telling the idiot Americans that, surprise surprise, Obama once again, didn't KNOW ANYTHING!!!

this fucking guy doesn't know anything, apparently, yet he was voted into office for a second time. and now his cheer leaders are claiming he doesn't know about the BLM forcing people off their property under Agenda 21 rules and regulations because he is so busy doing...? what? golfing? playing with his fantasy four shit?

and i haven't even addressed mx+b's comments about this farmer being a thief and its not because i have nothing to say; believe me, i have a whole shit ton to say about how someone can be a thief to their own property but every time i write something out, i delete it because i get so pissed off and go off in a tangent.

you cannot steal from yourself. its the govts job to steal from us and our god given natural rights to defend our property from any theft that ever occurs. even if its from the govt.

btw- since when does anyone ever pay property taxes to the federal govt? this farmer HAS BEEN PAYING his dues to the LOCAL govt. he is exercising his right to NOT recognize the BLM just like how i dont recognize the BLM just like i dont recognize the IRS, DHS, FBI, BATF, CIA, FDA, FCC, UN, UNESCO, or any of the other alphabet terrorist agencies.


hahahahaha

great links

obama didn't know should be a new song.

one that we force children to sing when saluting the american flag each morning.

either Obama is incompetent, or he spends too much of his time vacationing in Hawaii and hanging out with celebrities like Jay Z.

I like to go with both.
Originally posted by: Cocytus
sam,

I believe Obama said he would rule the country more like Reagan. I don't recall was part of Reagan's administration. Maybe our Presidents lose their memories when they get the job.

You are not alone. About half the stuff I type out never gets posted. I think to myself, stupid people are exactly that. I've actually changed a lot of my views about politics. I've seen some others here change positions, but it's rare.

I don't know exactly what's going on with this story. It strikes me as fucking stupid we have federal agents in the bumfuck Nevada dictating shit about land nobody gives a shit about but the people who live there. Bizzaro!


i no longer care, that's how i have changed. I just popcorn cat and watch how much worse things can get. I treat politics today like Tosh.0 videos. I know something stupid is going to happen, so I spectate about how bad and how hilarious the outcome will be. Usually I am never let down.

seeing posters like cobalt dig in deep, deny everything he ever stood for against bush, and celebrate atrocities that Bush could have only dreamed of is definitive proof that there is no fixing, or even acknowledging, the partisan divide in this country.

some peoples minds simply work differently than others.

nothing shy of camps, segregation, and blood hitting the ground is going to stop one side from trying to constantly control and subjugate the other I'm afraid.

http://rt.com/usa/desert-tortoises-euthanize-nevada-024/

speaking of the desert tortoise, the entire reason that the BLM feels the need to fuck with these ranchers, hold stewardship over the land...that article above sure is interesting.

but not surprising considering what the cali enviro nazis are going to do to the delta smelt once they build this second water pipeline from the Sacramento delta.

it's all about taking power and pushing control. outside of that politicians have no larger agenda.
Originally posted by: Mockery


http://rt.com/usa/desert-tortoises-euthanize-nevada-024/

speaking of the desert tortoise, the entire reason that the BLM feels the need to fuck with these ranchers, hold stewardship over the land...that article above sure is interesting.



man that is so typical of a government program, WTF, how do people actually perform these tasks for the government?

Originally posted by: Killet
Originally posted by: Mockery


http://rt.com/usa/desert-tortoises-euthanize-nevada-024/

speaking of the desert tortoise, the entire reason that the BLM feels the need to fuck with these ranchers, hold stewardship over the land...that article above sure is interesting.



man that is so typical of a government program, WTF, how do people actually perform these tasks for the government?



It's interesting the lengths we go to help animals while we have human beings in far greater need of help all over the world. Maybe we need to euthanize these folks who can't take care of themselves because they became dependent on government help like these tortoises.
I would rather save animals than people!
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Someone do me a favor, please? I am out and about, cant investigate right now but would one of you please google the bundy ranch, harry reid, blm, china?

This stinks of democrat china corruption.