No bus stops for you!!

Not without paying another tax that is.....on top of the tax money you already paid to create these public utility lanes in the first place.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S-F-to-charge-operators-of-tech-commuter-buses-5118477.php

The employee shuttle buses, which are credited with reducing congestion and greenhouse gas emissions, have created a different set of problems.

Fairly or not, the air-conditioned, Wi-Fi-equipped buses and their passengers have become the most tangible symbol in the backlash against the city's tech boom as longtime San Francisco residents and others try to cope with soaring housing prices and commercial rents, which have been blamed for forcing out tenants, artists and nonprofits.

We have reached new lows, in the wealth disparity argument, when we go at each others throats for some people being in a nicer bus than us.



Instead of creating wealth we must learn to be better at stealing it from others. Of bringing everyone down to third world poverty in the name of fairness.

Apparently if doctors, engineers, and tech gurus don't commute with homeless people, vagabonds, and the criminally insane......then San Francisco will remain a tale of two cities.
Post edited by Mockery at 1/7/2014 2:54:15 AM

Sounds like a dumbat complaint.

San Francisco residents have complained for several years that the gleaming, tinted-window shuttles hog public bus stops and benefit from a taxpayer-funded resource while snarling traffic, delaying Muni buses and forcing Muni passengers into the street to get aboard public transit.

this is what we have left to bitch about in America.

We gots some white people problems......as we become the next newest third world.

$1 per day per stop

Under the 18-month pilot program that Lee announced Monday, shuttle operators, such as Bauer's and Compass Transportation, will need a city permit to use Muni bus stops. The fee will be $1 per day per stop.

Post edited by Mockery at 1/7/2014 2:56:13 AM

Kinda like this, they push the electric cars then penalize people for using them

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/06/states-turn-against-electric-cars-as-gas-tax-revenues-fall/

funny actually

This is how government competes. All they have to say is, "public good". Tax on miles driven will be coming soon.

Their wish is their command.

Oh, Los Angeles just decided no more plastic bags at the markets. I don't recall voting on that measure. Plastic bad, meanwhile almost every item is in a plastic container of some kind by the time you get to check out. Then you don't get the "luxury" of putting all your plastic into another plastic item. You should see the baggers trying to stuff peoples things into two bags.

While gov't has always been creeping into our lives, its fucking unbelievable that in the last few years how fast and how much gov't is in EVERYTHING. And our liberals are fine with it.
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but the government makes everything better

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2541665

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
While gov't has always been creeping into our lives, its fucking unbelievable that in the last few years how fast and how much gov't is in EVERYTHING. And our liberals are fine with it.

That's what is sick. We think we are fine with it until our guy is out of power. I had the same syndrome with Bush, so maybe they will wake up eventually. Then the other side goes mind numb and the cycle continues.

I think most of us are waking up. The National Review just said that weed should be legal. They are a conservative group as far as I know. Then again, maybe they are just bending over to mass bullshit to get more votes. You see, it's all just stupid everywhere.

Originally posted by: Killet
but the government makes everything better

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2541665

But. but. but. but they invented the internets Dumbalt says.

How can Wal-Mart, a company comprised of pure evil, do better than the government?

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
While gov't has always been creeping into our lives, its fucking unbelievable that in the last few years how fast and how much gov't is in EVERYTHING. And our liberals are fine with it.

That's what is sick. We think we are fine with it until our guy is out of power. I had the same syndrome with Bush, so maybe they will wake up eventually. Then the other side goes mind numb and the cycle continues.

I think most of us are waking up. The National Review just said that weed should be legal. They are a conservative group as far as I know. Then again, maybe they are just bending over to mass bullshit to get more votes. You see, it's all just stupid everywhere.

So true. Be nice to see people finally learn some type of a lesson eventually......one that actually permanently surpasses partisan politics.

Sadly people like O'really sure haven't.

Painfully listened to him (before the BCS game) talk about how more kids will get weed now because of WA and CO pot laws.

He kept running around screaming do you want your 12-13 year old kids smoking weed? And when nobody said yes, he professed that was proof that he was right and that pot was still bad and therefore should remain illegal.

If only I've heard that argument before regarding kids getting access to alcohol, guns, or other items people are batshit terrified over.

shittiest rights removal argument ever IMO......nothing but an appeal to emotion.......the classic think of the kids card.

Yet O'really loves it as much as any liberal out there apparently.
Post edited by Mockery at 1/7/2014 3:30:46 PM

Update:

Google tests ferry service to shuttle staffers from San Francisco

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-google-tests-ferry-service-to-shuttle-staffers-from-san-francisco-20140107,0,4377015.story#axzz2pmxvi8M6

Fuck the bus......I'm on a boat bitch. I'm on a boat.

This will be a short lived attempt to extort more money from commuters. Until they try to impose a boat toll too.

the funny thing is that if a private enterprise had built and organized a set series of pickups and dropoffs and then requested a small rent to utilize those for their private gain, you would all have no problem with that - in fact you would call that a positive result of capitalism.

hypocrite fascists.
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Originally posted by: Pixel
the funny thing is that if a private enterprise had built and organized a set series of pickups and dropoffs and then requested a small rent to utilize those for their private gain, you would all have no problem with that - in fact you would call that a positive result of capitalism.

hypocrite fascists.

property rights? How do those work? Go figure you wouldn't know.



this from a person who wishes to reduce traffic to unclutter our roads

help the environment

prevent excessive emissions

he exposes himself as a fascist for making people pay taxes for utility lanes they can't use.........but certain business entities profit from.....and now encourages additional taxes/fees to use these roads and turnouts they already paid for.

be them privatized toll roads or commuter tariffs.



Pixel real smart and honest with himself.

Remember guys.....the state is great at any cost. Even your life.
Post edited by Mockery at 1/8/2014 3:06:36 AM

but charging people to ride on a ride that their money didn't pay for......on land that they didn't buy.

(called private property)

is somehow fascist.



What you are saying is:

Shit we all pay for (public property) only some people should be allowed to use/utilize (only the people the government agree with). Shit that only one person/entity (private) pays for belongs to all of us for free.

fuck you dumb as balls bro. that's the definition of economic fascism. no wonder you have the political outlook that you do.... Or that you keep voting for the dimwits you do (doomberg and Owebama).
Post edited by Mockery at 1/8/2014 3:08:01 AM

Originally posted by: Pixel
the funny thing is that if a private enterprise had built and organized a set series of pickups and dropoffs and then requested a small rent to utilize those for their private gain, you would all have no problem with that - in fact you would call that a positive result of capitalism.

hypocrite fascists.

You are what we call an insane dipshit!
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Originally posted by: Mockery

Originally posted by: Pixel
the funny thing is that if a private enterprise had built and organized a set series of pickups and dropoffs and then requested a small rent to utilize those for their private gain, you would all have no problem with that - in fact you would call that a positive result of capitalism.

hypocrite fascists.

property rights? How do those work? Go figure you wouldn't know.



this from a person who wishes to reduce traffic to unclutter our roads

help the environment

prevent excessive emissions

he exposes himself as a fascist for making people pay taxes for utility lanes they can't use.........but certain business entities profit from.....and now encourages additional taxes/fees to use these roads and turnouts they already paid for.

be them privatized toll roads or commuter tariffs.



Pixel real smart and honest with himself.

Remember guys.....the state is great at any cost. Even your life.

the fact of the matter is that infrastructure was built by the government. no private vehicles are allowed to take up or use public bust stop infrastructure. it is fair if they wish to charge a reasonable fee for another enterprise to use that there infrastructure. as long as it is not over-priced designed to make it impossible for the other enterprise to use them, there is nothing wrong with it.

if XYZ Inc. had built a bus stop bus lane infrastructure and company ABC started to use it as well, XYZ could either say 'nope, can't use it' or do what is being done in this case, charge a small fee to utilize it.

looks like a commendable business decision the way they are handling it.

it's really quite simple. not sure why you can't figure it out. snake i understand, he is a dipshit, but you seem to have a decent brain on your shoulders...sometimes.


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Originally posted by: Pixel

the fact of the matter is that infrastructure was built by the government.

And how did they get that money? From Taxes

Who is allowed to use that public property? The taxpayer

Otherwise, when they pick and choose favorites, only allow specific entities the right to use something, that everyone paid for, that is the literal definition of economic fascism.

The textbook lexicon in fact.

Originally posted by: Pixel
no private vehicles are allowed to take up or use public bust stop infrastructure. it is fair if they wish to charge a reasonable fee for another enterprise to use that there infrastructure. as long as it is not over-priced designed to make it impossible for the other enterprise to use them, there is nothing wrong with it.

I am ok with that too. So long as that is how it is funded and maintained from now on......otherwise it is favoritism.

Same reason boy scouts can't discriminate against gay troop leaders while taking in government funds. Most of us have realized that is also wrong by now.

They can do what they want, be as discriminatory as they want, but not with tax payer money IMO.

Same applies here.

Originally posted by: Pixel
if XYZ Inc. had built a bus stop bus lane infrastructure and company ABC started to use it as well, XYZ could either say 'nope, can't use it' or do what is being done in this case, charge a small fee to utilize it.

looks like a commendable business decision the way they are handling it.

Yeah, except XYZ Inc. didn't pay for this piece of property. The taxpayers did. The same taxpayers who want to get to work at Google. Not the bums, homeless, and vagabonds who have created this jealousy conniption fit.

If nothing else this is another case of poorly defined property rights. You have absolutely no right to use a toll road you didn't pay to use (be it private or public), because tolls are how it is paid for. No such case with bus lanes that I am aware of. Those, much like bike paths, come from a different funding source.

As such.....anyone who pays into that funding source is a partial owner of that entity in my eyes.

Tell me if you honestly see any issues with what I said. I don't think that we are that far off in finding an actual agreement.

If you want to charge buses to use bus lanes. I see no reason we shouldn't charge bikes to use bike lanes......same conundrum.
Post edited by Mockery at 1/8/2014 7:58:09 PM

there are plenty of things that tax dollars built that enable private enterprise to thrive in this country.

interstate highway system. bridges. tunnels. airport system. rail system. electrical grid. security via police, military. sewage. etc.. etc... all these things that were made by your only bad government are the things that enable private commerce to thrive in America and which enables capitalism to work.

the bike lane comparison is not viable. bike lanes are built for the purpose of privately owned bicycles to use them. bus lane/stops are specifically designed to only allow public buses to use them. that is why private vehicles are not allowed to park in bus stops or ride in bus lanes for example. guess what, another bus run by a private enterprise is indeed a private vehicle. no matter how you look at it, once the bus infrastructure is now being used by so many more vehicles, it is goign to affect public bus services. so it is reasonable to try to find a solution.

from the article it seems that they were allowed to do it for years but there have been negotiations for months now between the government and these private bus services to come up with something that works for them all. and indeed, it sounds like they did come up with something that they all think is fair.

looks like a successful private and public partnership just happened, and that makes you mad.



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btw you can add public transportation to the list of government provided systems that benefit private commerce. which is important since that is the very thing being discussed here, public busses.

in the NY metro area the amount of people that rely on publican transportation to get to work and be productive in private business is massive.

all these terrible things the government does that y'all hate. believe me the government does some terrible things for sure, you guys just haven't figured out that it isn't everything it does.
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Originally posted by: Pixel
there are plenty of things that tax dollars built that enable private enterprise to thrive in this country.

I'd certainly hope so. Else they might have a hard time justifying stealing half our money in taxes.

Originally posted by: Pixel
the bike lane comparison is not viable. bike lanes are built for the purpose of privately owned bicycles to use them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/26/chicago-bike-tax_n_4504558.html

According to you.....but sadly not others.

Hence it being a perfectly viable comparison.

Originally posted by: Pixel
bus lane/stops are specifically designed to only allow public buses to use them. that is why private vehicles are not allowed to park in bus stops or ride in bus lanes for example.

I thought it was for the same reason you can't and shouldn't park in front of a fire extinguisher, or in a fire lane.

Originally posted by: Pixel
guess what, another bus run by a private enterprise is indeed a private vehicle. no matter how you look at it, once the bus infrastructure is now being used by so many more vehicles, it is goign to affect public bus services. so it is reasonable to try to find a solution.

Same argument goes for the bike tax above.

Guess that's how it is going to end then. We could be out of debt tomorrow if we could figure out how to tax people for using sidewalks and driveways I bet.

We should propose that to them too.
Post edited by Mockery at 1/9/2014 1:49:46 AM

Originally posted by: Pixel
btw you can add public transportation to the list of government provided systems that benefit private commerce. which is important since that is the very thing being discussed here, public busses.

in the NY metro area the amount of people that rely on publican transportation to get to work and be productive in private business is massive.

all these terrible things the government does that y'all hate. believe me the government does some terrible things for sure, you guys just haven't figured out that it isn't everything it does.

If only they could figure out how to tax us 70-80% they could do so many more great things.

Especially if they can learn to tax us on taxes, that have already been taxed, like they have been able to figure out with gasoline.

In Europe they have......God save Europe. Our very near future.

Pixeltard seems to forget that govt didn't pay for shit. We did. It's called taxes.
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Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Pixeltard seems to forget that govt didn't pay for shit. We did. It's called taxes.

snake, you aren't smart enough to be in this discussion. go post about something to do with black people and let the intelligent people have a conversation.
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Originally posted by: Pixel

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Pixeltard seems to forget that govt didn't pay for shit. We did. It's called taxes.

snake, you aren't smart enough to be in this discussion. go post about something to do with black people and let the intelligent people have a conversation.

I was going to post pretty much the same message to snake...except I was going to use single syllable words so he could understand what was being said.

Originally posted by: Pixel

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Pixeltard seems to forget that govt didn't pay for shit. We did. It's called taxes.

snake, you aren't smart enough to be in this discussion. go post about something to do with black people and let the intelligent people have a conversation.

is that so? So we should listen to a guy who can't succeed at any business he is involved in tell us about how a business should work. Dam! You sure showed me!


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Snaketardicus, if you were to leave the security of your current job, what business would you open?

I would love to see you go out on your own and report back the results...

especially because most of them fail in their first year.

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: Pixel

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Pixeltard seems to forget that govt didn't pay for shit. We did. It's called taxes.

snake, you aren't smart enough to be in this discussion. go post about something to do with black people and let the intelligent people have a conversation.

is that so? So we should listen to a guy who can't succeed at any business he is involved in tell us about how a business should work. Dam! You sure showed me!

i ran one business, it lasted 2 years.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/two-pitas-in-a-pod-jersey-city

we had a 5 star average on yelp until one more 4 star review brought us down to 4.5 stars. that is called excellent - for both our quality of food, customer service and branding. in the three primary characteristics of a business that brings customers is 1)quality of food 2)customer service 3)solid branding and marketing - we had all 3. i guarantee any business you'd try to open snake would be lucky to have a 2 star average on yelp.


there were extraneous forces that made it an unfeasible business model in the areas we could operate both due to increasing regulation and not enough population density to compensate for cold and rain.

we could have used an infusion of capital to get into NYC but at that point in time we were loath to go into more debt.

quite simply we made some of the best damn food to come out of any food truck in the ny metro area. i can't count how many times we were so complemented on our menu items and our specials. after getting to know us, it got to the point where the moment i tweeted a special before we opened, we'd have call ins practically ordering all the specials. basically they liked our food so much they trusted anything we made and wanted it. we even experimented doing a ny strip steak special in Newark for lunch. That was an $18 lunch. definitely much pricier than people spend there. most people kept it under 10.

we sold every steak special before we even opened, all 20 of them, all call aheads. that says a lot.
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Originally posted by: Smiling Canadian

Originally posted by: Pixel

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Pixeltard seems to forget that govt didn't pay for shit. We did. It's called taxes.

snake, you aren't smart enough to be in this discussion. go post about something to do with black people and let the intelligent people have a conversation.

I was going to post pretty much the same message to snake...except I was going to use single syllable words so he could understand what was being said.

well played sir.

i must admit your drive by postings have been quite on the comedic point lately. don't change your diet, it's working.
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Snaketardicus, if you were to leave the security of your current job, what business would you open?

I would love to see you go out on your own and report back the results...

especially because most of them fail in their first year.

The only thing he'd have a chance at being successful with is giving happy ending chin jobs behind dumpster 3 and 4 next to the local Piggly Wiggly in Sandusky, Ohio.

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Snaketardicus, if you were to leave the security of your current job, what business would you open?

I would love to see you go out on your own and report back the results...

especially because most of them fail in their first year.

I've owned several business's and all were successful when I sold them. I'm currently a co-owner in another venture that is doing great and am in discussions regarding another opportunity. You don't need to defend Pixeltard. He is an idiot. Tell me what he has done that he has succeeded at? Owning a business isn't easy. But please don't lecture me on it since I do have experience and while I've made my fair share of mistakes, we always adapted. That includes regulations that crippled our many competitors

If Pixel wasnt such an asshole constantly I might have some sympathy but I don't and I certainly have zero respect for the guy.


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Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Snaketardicus, if you were to leave the security of your current job, what business would you open?

I would love to see you go out on your own and report back the results...

especially because most of them fail in their first year.

I've owned several business's and all were successful when I sold them. I'm currently a co-owner in another venture that is doing great and am in discussions regarding another opportunity. You don't need to defend Pixeltard. He is an idiot. Tell me what he has done that he has succeeded at? Owning a business isn't easy. But please don't lecture me on it since I do have experience and while I've made my fair share of mistakes, we always adapted. That includes regulations that crippled our many competitors

If Pixel wasnt such an asshole constantly I might have some sympathy but I don't and I certainly have zero respect for the guy.

No offense, but given what you post and how you post I find this very hard to believe without proof.

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Snaketardicus, if you were to leave the security of your current job, what business would you open?

I would love to see you go out on your own and report back the results...

especially because most of them fail in their first year.

I've owned several business's and all were successful when I sold them. I'm currently a co-owner in another venture that is doing great and am in discussions regarding another opportunity. You don't need to defend Pixeltard. He is an idiot. Tell me what he has done that he has succeeded at? Owning a business isn't easy. But please don't lecture me on it since I do have experience and while I've made my fair share of mistakes, we always adapted. That includes regulations that crippled our many competitors

If Pixel wasnt such an asshole constantly I might have some sympathy but I don't and I certainly have zero respect for the guy.

We are going to get a few things clear:

1 - You were asked a question, not lectured. Are we clear now?

2 - I think you're full of shit. If you had a successful business venture and it remained profitable, then you wouldnt be working for others now. Sounds to me that your businesses were actually failures and you sold them to cut your losses; no different than a corporation shedding unprofitable business units.

This wouldnt be the first (nor the last) time you have tried to use anecdotal evidence to save face.

3 - Accusations of defending him mean nothing and is a deflection. Your politics blinds you from wanting prosperity for all Americans regardless their politics. Thats about as petty and short-sighted as it gets.

Lol. You believe what you want. I made great money on all of them. I work for a company because I make a ton of money with no set hours. I have the luxury of that and being involved in other things. I plan on retiring in my 50s and while simply delving into any business you own 100% sounds great. As you said the reality of owning your own business is not easy. My business partners are great which is hard to find

And FYI you were trying to lecture me. Pixeltard is your buddy. I get it

Speaking of liars. That fat midget up north tells some great tales.


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USS Snaketardicus has engaged deflector shields...

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Lol. You believe what you want. I made great money on all of them. I work for a company because I make a ton of money with no set hours. I have the luxury of that and being involved in other things. I plan on retiring in my 50s and while simply delving into any business you own 100% sounds great. As you said the reality of owning your own business is not easy. My business partners are great which is hard to find

And FYI you were trying to lecture me. Pixeltard is your buddy. I get it

Speaking of liars. That fat midget up north tells some great tales.

Then you admit you didnt really own and operate your own business and dont know the difference between an investment in a business venture versus owning a business.

Thats all you had to say.

oh schnapppp.

all of a sudden snake became a business owner and then ss undressed him.
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Lol. You believe what you want. I made great money on all of them. I work for a company because I make a ton of money with no set hours. I have the luxury of that and being involved in other things. I plan on retiring in my 50s and while simply delving into any business you own 100% sounds great. As you said the reality of owning your own business is not easy. My business partners are great which is hard to find

And FYI you were trying to lecture me. Pixeltard is your buddy. I get it

Speaking of liars. That fat midget up north tells some great tales.

Then you admit you didnt really own and operate your own business and dont know the difference between an investment in a business venture versus owning a business.

Thats all you had to say.

I usually feel you are a pretty fair but I guess you don't grasp the difference between sole proprietorship, partnerships, limited liability corps, S corps, etc.

I think I was pretty clear but I guess trolling is not unexpected here. Either way have a good evening

Captain Out!


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Originally posted by: Pixel
oh schnapppp.

all of a sudden snake became a business owner and then ss undressed him.

Still am kiddo and still making more money in one month than you make in year
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Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: Pixel
oh schnapppp.

all of a sudden snake became a business owner and then ss undressed him.

Still am kiddo and still making more money in one month than you make in year

who knows what you do, you have been caught in so many lies.

read my reviews. that is a quality of service you are simply incapable of providing. in anything that you try to do.
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Originally posted by: Pixel

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: Pixel
oh schnapppp.

all of a sudden snake became a business owner and then ss undressed him.

Still am kiddo and still making more money in one month than you make in year

who knows what you do, you have been caught in so many lies.

read my reviews. that is a quality of service you are simply incapable of providing. in anything that you try to do.

what lies have I been caught in? You owned a food truck and failed. You are not good at business. It's ok. You take great photos and that is your calling.

Gotta go. Watching Brave with my kids.
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Ok pixel. Movie is done. My apologies on insulting you. Running a business is tough and while it didn't work out for you I shouldn't have insulted you with it.

In the past you seemed like a decent person when not attacking myself or others. I'll work on keeping it civil if you try.

Goodnight!


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