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As non-taxpayer ranks grow, so does cost to government
By Jim Angle

Published September 24, 2012

As debate rages on over the impact of Mitt Romney's remarks on the "47 percent" of Americans who don't pay federal income tax, little attention has been paid to the fiscal impact of a similar group -- the 58 million Americans who are actually collecting more in benefits from the government than they pay in taxes.

Close to half the population now pays no federal income tax, as Romney said in his hidden-camera remarks that have caused such consternation.
Some of those, of course, are retired Americans collecting Social Security and Medicare. But a recent Tax Foundation study that excluded that group found the percentage of non-taxpayers has risen from 21 percent in 1990 to 42 percent today. And government spending has grown along with that.
Analysts now fret that the growing number of people not paying into the system is encouraging that government bloat.

"You disconnect people from the cost of government and they'll suddenly have a much bigger appetite for government spending," said Will McBride, chief economist at the Tax Foundation.

Kevin Hassett, director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, said that "as more and more Americans don't pay taxes, then there's less resistance to programs that take money from everybody else."

Further, the Tax Foundation estimates that the doubling of the non-taxpayer ranks is associated with more than $200 billion in entitlement spending. The foundation estimated the cost was $213 billion in 2010, transferred to those 58 million.

"So it is a big chunk of change, it's a big part of the federal budget," McBride said.

Over 20 years, the study found that the number of non-taxpayers has increased the debt-to-GDP ratio by 14 points, which slows down the economy.

Those who pay no federal income taxes do pay many other taxes.
But Hassett claimed there is a "scientific link" between the rise in Americans who are not paying income tax and the "explosion" in the size of government.

Romney was apparently speaking to that concern when he talked about Americans living off entitlements during a private meeting with donors earlier this year. Romney, though, stirred controversy with the language he used -- he said they believe they are "victims" and at one point suggested he didn't have to worry about them because they'll vote for President Obama no matter what.

Romney has since said his campaign is about the "100 percent."
Running mate Paul Ryan and others are adjusting the Romney message, saying many of the 47 percent not paying taxes are there not because they want to be but because Obama's policies have left them no choice.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/24/as-non-taxpayer-ranks-grow-so-does-cost-to-government/?test=latestnews#ixzz27UdAJk00
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 9/25/2012 10:49:45 AM
If that idiot Obama gets elected again let's see how many more people will leech off the system.
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"I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making it easy for them in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it" Ben Franklin
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
As non-taxpayer ranks grow, so does cost to government
By Jim Angle

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U FUCKING DUMBASS OF A DOUCHEBAG, DIDN'T ROMNEY MOVE COMPANIES ABROAD TO NOT PAY US TAXES???

*disclaimer, i DO pay US taxes.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
If that idiot Obama gets elected again let's see how many more people will leech off the system.


wtf? where is this clause TC and Others quoted everytime we even hinted at an insult at Bush?

fuck you guys.
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
If that idiot Obama gets elected again let's see how many more people will leech off the system.


wtf? where is this clause TC and Others quoted everytime we even hinted at an insult at Bush?

fuck you guys.
did I insult your lover? Btw have we discussed the chief fools healthcare costs killing small businesses?
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"I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making it easy for them in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it" Ben Franklin
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
If that idiot Obama gets elected again let's see how many more people will leech off the system.


wtf? where is this clause TC and Others quoted everytime we even hinted at an insult at Bush?


It's still there in the rules. You should probably email a mod or something.
Two things:

1 - Malaria doesnt recall billions of insults directed at the last President without repercussions. Ex: cobalt called him an asshole and wasnt banned for it. Stop your whining.

2 - Not sure if this info made it here back in 2010, but I'll put it back up:


Tonight's stunning financial piece de resistance comes from Wyatt Emerich of The Cleveland Current. In what is sure to inspire some serious ire among all those who once believed Ronald Reagan that it was the USSR that was the "Evil Empire", Emmerich analyzes disposable income and economic benefits among several key income classes and comes to the stunning (and verifiable) conclusion that "a one-parent family of three making $14,500 a year (minimum wage) has more disposable income than a family making $60,000 a year." And that excludes benefits from Supplemental Security Income disability checks. America is now a country which punishes those middle-class people who not only try to work hard, but avoid scamming the system. Not surprisingly, it is not only the richest and most audacious thieves that prosper - it is also the penny scammers at the very bottom of the economic ladder that rip off the middle class each and every day, courtesy of the world's most generous entitlement system. Perhaps if Reagan were alive today, he would wish to modify the object of his once legendary remark.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak

That's alot of bennies.

Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
As non-taxpayer ranks grow, so does cost to government
By Jim Angle

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U FUCKING DUMBASS OF A DOUCHEBAG, DIDN'T ROMNEY MOVE COMPANIES ABROAD TO NOT PAY US TAXES???

*disclaimer, i DO pay US taxes.


Not just companies, but even his own money.

He still has a good amount of money in off shore tax havens.
He's just playing the game the way it was set up, if you dont like the rules change them.
And I agree with Snake that this is an epidemic.

Kudos to Romney for finally bringing it to the front light.

People don't give a shit about spending other peoples money.......only about spending THEIR money. As you detach people from their obligation they will vote for anything that promises to benefit them.



If only I trusted Romney to do anything about any of this (other than create dialogue during a campaign season).

It's pretty ironic that Romney's dad received welfare benefits. As usual with the right, utter hypocrisy.
Originally posted by: Killet
He's just playing the game the way it was set up, if you dont like the rules change them.


I don't fault him for exploiting rules that do not get enforced. Just as I don't blame welfare recipients for cashing a free check.

I blame the asshole establishment that allows for such idiocy to take place. And changing such a system is not just an act of Congress.......it's all but impossible (especially since they can't even pass a discretionary budget anymore).
Originally posted by: Pixel
It's pretty ironic that Romney's dad received welfare benefits. As usual with the right, utter hypocrisy.


How does that make him a hypocrite?
Originally posted by: TheRedneck
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
If that idiot Obama gets elected again let's see how many more people will leech off the system.


wtf? where is this clause TC and Others quoted everytime we even hinted at an insult at Bush?


It's still there in the rules. You should probably email a mod or something.


you are some sort of Admin, no? do something then.

im not gonna email any admin, they see it here, they dont need an email.
Originally posted by: Killet
He's just playing the game the way it was set up, if you dont like the rules change them.


now now, I dont fault him for moving the companies abroad, not cool, but still legal.

now, what I fault him for is for speaking against reducing tax base while he himself reduced HIS own tax base by shipping wealth overseas.

he bet AGAINST america AND is running for president.

it's the travesty of it all that makes me @ people who will vote for him.

Obama is no beter, but for other reasons.

Ron Paul 2012
So if Romneys dad used welfare to raise a kid who became a millionaire, then by ending welfare we are killing jobs because Romney is a job creator.

If Romney moved companies and personal wealth overseas to protect his wealth, how will tax cuts for the wealthy help the US economy if they are so good at "playing the game"? It just means what little they can't hide won't be taxed.



A group that is included in this study, US soldiers fighting overseas that get tax exempt income and government benefits. So I guess when Romney talked about these fucking moochers he finally acknowledged the troops in a speech.
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
As non-taxpayer ranks grow, so does cost to government
By Jim Angle

...


U FUCKING DUMBASS OF A DOUCHEBAG, DIDN'T ROMNEY MOVE COMPANIES ABROAD TO NOT PAY US TAXES???

*disclaimer, i DO pay US taxes.


Not just companies, but even his own money.

He still has a good amount of money in off shore tax havens.
Good for him. He is smart unlike the current idiot in the whitehouse!
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
As non-taxpayer ranks grow, so does cost to government
By Jim Angle

...


U FUCKING DUMBASS OF A DOUCHEBAG, DIDN'T ROMNEY MOVE COMPANIES ABROAD TO NOT PAY US TAXES???

*disclaimer, i DO pay US taxes.


Not just companies, but even his own money.

He still has a good amount of money in off shore tax havens.
Good for him. He is smart unlike the current idiot in the whitehouse!
^^this is how dumb you are, bud!

you post an article where Romney decries reducing US taxe base, while he himself helped reduce US tab base, by the million$$.

and you think he did well? you are such a dumbass, unbelievable.

/shakes-head
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: Killet
He's just playing the game the way it was set up, if you dont like the rules change them.


now now, I dont fault him for moving the companies abroad, not cool, but still legal.

now, what I fault him for is for speaking against reducing tax base while he himself reduced HIS own tax base by shipping wealth overseas.

he bet AGAINST america AND is running for president.

it's the travesty of it all that makes me @ people who will vote for him.

Obama is no beter, but for other reasons.

Ron Paul 2012


Yeah, just like the 47% argument Romney made........

People who don't pay taxes have no incentive not to raise them further.......or further use them for their personal gain.

He did exactly that as governor against countless businesses that he closed loopholes and raised expenditures/fees against.

Meanwhile his personal wealth and businesses were sitting fat, with further advantage, at an offshore account somewhere.

He is speaking out of both sides of his mouth on this one.

But feeding the partisan trolls all the rhetoric they clearly want to hear (but clearly not question).
Post edited by Mockery at 9/25/2012 8:01:29 PM
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZ
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
As non-taxpayer ranks grow, so does cost to government
By Jim Angle

...


U FUCKING DUMBASS OF A DOUCHEBAG, DIDN'T ROMNEY MOVE COMPANIES ABROAD TO NOT PAY US TAXES???

*disclaimer, i DO pay US taxes.


Not just companies, but even his own money.

He still has a good amount of money in off shore tax havens.
Good for him. He is smart unlike the current idiot in the whitehouse!
^^this is how dumb you are, bud!

you post an article where Romney decries reducing US taxe base, while he himself helped reduce US tab base, by the million$$.

and you think he did well? you are such a dumbass, unbelievable.

/shakes-head


Sensing irony and hypocrisy isn't poor Snakey-Poo's strong suit.
Originally posted by: Irrenarzt
Originally posted by: Pixel
It's pretty ironic that Romney's dad received welfare benefits. As usual with the right, utter hypocrisy.


How does that make him a hypocrite?


I second that. And how is it ironic?




Bonus vid:

Penn and Teller FTW!!!!

Love those guys......
Originally posted by: Mockery
Penn and Teller FTW!!!!

Love those guys......
huh? Both those guys are tools. I guess I'm not surprised
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"I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making it easy for them in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it" Ben Franklin
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
Penn and Teller FTW!!!!

Love those guys......
huh? Both those guys are tools. I guess I'm not surprised




Whatever you say Adam Chinler.........

Anyone willfully swinging off Romneys dick, without getting massive kickbacks, has something wrong with them too IMM.
He is very much into philosophy.........so I don't expect someone like you, who questions nothing, closes his mind off to everything, to have any fucking idea what he is talking about.

We know you are more of a O'really kind of guy. Lots of yelling, lots of cutting off the other persons ability to comment, lots of Catholic Church as justification for how the world works.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
Penn and Teller FTW!!!!

Love those guys......
huh? Both those guys are tools. I guess I'm not surprised


Did you even bother to watch the two posted videos?

he dddint! fcuz! what a question! he'll lie, though, or maybe say he doesn't need to, because xyz-whatever

next!
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Originally posted by: Smiling Canadian
.... My point was...with a shit attitude like yours...ie. you know better than everyone else about everything apparently...how did you get through without getting a good ass whipping? I know how your attitude would go over during my time and I just stated what would be done about it. It was a fact of life at the time. ...
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: Mockery
Penn and Teller FTW!!!!

Love those guys......
huh? Both those guys are tools. I guess I'm not surprised




Whatever you say Adam Chinler.........

Anyone willfully swinging off Romneys dick, without getting massive kickbacks, has something wrong with them too IMM.
Did i hit a nerve kiddo? I can always tell when you try to make personal insults after looking like a tool.

I mean seriously penn and teller? Lmao.
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 9/27/2012 9:13:58 AM

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