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Obama just nominated an investment banker AND a US Dep of Treasury official to two vacant seat @ The Fed.

Ron Paul 2012
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Originally posted by: Smiling Canadian
.... My point was...with a shit attitude like yours...ie. you know better than everyone else about everything apparently...how did you get through without getting a good ass whipping? I know how your attitude would go over during my time and I just stated what would be done about it. It was a fact of life at the time. ...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/27/mf-global-chief-missing-12b-financial-adviser-epa/

and the beat goes on . .
Maybe burning our tax returns this year will wake these fuckers up.

I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
BIG FAT PHONEY

If the statists truly want bigger government....someone should tell them to try regulating these fucking regulators.....it might be more productive than the clear and utter bullshit they are subjecting against us today.

Until then, the fact remains that the foxes are the only ones allowed to regulate the hen house. There is a reason that 80% of all new regulation/legislation is drafted by lobbyists.......on behalf of lobbyists.....it's because that's really who they work for.

If people want to look at a wealth divide in this country, between the haves and have nots........look no further than to the very government that they continually prostrate toward to solve this problem.
Originally posted by: Cocytus
Maybe burning our tax returns this year will wake these fuckers up.



if we could get everyone to max out thier dependents on thier with holdings starting Jan 1 2012 . . .then at the end of 2012, write in big letters on thier tax forms " No Thanks, we gave enough this year" and send them in . . .then theymight get the message, they cant put everyone in jail
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.


There is a difference: Ron Paul is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the USA dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.


There is a difference: Ron Paul is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the USA dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.


You obviously worship the state. The United States is some kind of benevolent holy entity to you... Why?

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.


Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 12/28/2011 5:56:38 PM

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.


There is a difference: Ron Paul is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the USA dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.


In my mind the only thing treasonous is anyone who doesn't directly believe in freedom and liberty......

Waring against oppressors of that ideology, be them foreign or domestic, is more patriotic than celebrating and mindlessly wavering some flag and singing an empty anthem.
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.


There is a difference: Ron Paul is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the USA dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.


In my mind the only thing treasonous is anyone who doesn't directly believe in freedom and liberty......

Waring against oppressors of that ideology, be them foreign or domestic, is more patriotic than celebrating and mindlessly wavering some flag and singing an empty anthem.


So who has a right to wave the American flag?
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.
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Originally posted by: Smiling Canadian
.... My point was...with a shit attitude like yours...ie. you know better than everyone else about everything apparently...how did you get through without getting a good ass whipping? I know how your attitude would go over during my time and I just stated what would be done about it. It was a fact of life at the time. ...
Originally posted by: Cocytus
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.


There is a difference: Ron Paul is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the USA dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.


In my mind the only thing treasonous is anyone who doesn't directly believe in freedom and liberty......

Waring against oppressors of that ideology, be them foreign or domestic, is more patriotic than celebrating and mindlessly wavering some flag and singing an empty anthem.


So who has a right to wave the American flag?


Anyone who wants to......flags don't inherently swear any allegiances.....only flag holders/wavers do.
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I also want 50 independent states....with far more sovereignty to independent govern themselves......and a massively reduced Federal government.

Does that make me a traitor also?
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I'm certainly not opposed to it. Why are you?

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I also want 50 independent states....with far more sovereignty to independent govern themselves......and a massively reduced Federal government.

Does that make me a traitor also?


no.
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I'm certainly not opposed to it. Why are you?


The USA is not broken beyond repair, not needing to do amptutations yet.
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I'm certainly not opposed to it. Why are you?


The USA is not broken beyond repair, not needing to do amptutations yet.


This implies that you think splitting the Union is a viable solution to certain problems. That means that where we disagree is on when splitting the union is fitting. Which means you are calling me a traitor for holding a position that you hold, only differing in when to pursue that position. Which makes you a hypocritical dick.

Oh, and on top of that:
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I also want 50 independent states....with far more sovereignty to independent govern themselves......and a massively reduced Federal government.

Does that make me a traitor also?


no.



Keep jockin these nuts!



Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 12/28/2011 6:28:14 PM

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I'm certainly not opposed to it. Why are you?


The USA is not broken beyond repair, not needing to do amptutations yet.


This implies that you think splitting the Union is a viable solution to certain problems. That means that where we disagree is on when splitting the union is fitting. Which means you are calling me a traitor for holding a position that you hold, only differing in when to pursue that position. Which makes you a hypocritical dick.

Oh, and on top of that:
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I also want 50 independent states....with far more sovereignty to independent govern themselves......and a massively reduced Federal government.

Does that make me a traitor also?


no.



Keep jockin these nuts!




oooppsss? did you miss the boat? the whole armada too? he wants a union still, not as federalized. You want to fracture the US of A. Duh? are you really THAT dumb?

actually, I take que question back. You are gullible, impressionable, and your college professors did a good number on you, kudos to them. Which school did you go to? I want to make sure my kids nor my momey go there, ever.
Didn't go to college.

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I'm certainly not opposed to it. Why are you?


The USA is not broken beyond repair, not needing to do amptutations yet.


This implies that you think splitting the Union is a viable solution to certain problems. That means that where we disagree is on when splitting the union is fitting. Which means you are calling me a traitor for holding a position that you hold, only differing in when to pursue that position. Which makes you a hypocritical dick.

Oh, and on top of that:
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Yeltzer to Thomas Paine
Thomas Hutchinson is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the British Empire dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.



so you do comfirm, YET AGAIN, that you want the US of A separated, divided, no longer the same, not the 50.

what else is new..cuz this is old news for everyone here.


I also want 50 independent states....with far more sovereignty to independent govern themselves......and a massively reduced Federal government.

Does that make me a traitor also?


no.



Keep jockin these nuts!




oooppsss? did you miss the boat? the whole armada too? he wants a union still, not as federalized. You want to fracture the US of A. Duh? are you really THAT dumb?

actually, I take que question back. You are gullible, impressionable, and your college professors did a good number on you, kudos to them. Which school did you go to? I want to make sure my kids nor my momey go there, ever.


There is another thread on this very board where Mockery is arguing in favor of States to secede. I know you've seen it. It's been going on for a week or more. Are you that fucking dumb?

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
....
This implies that you think splitting the Union is a viable solution to certain problems. That means that where we disagree is on when splitting the union is fitting. Which means you are calling me a traitor for holding a position that you hold, only differing in when to pursue that position. Which makes you a hypocritical dick.

...


no, it implies that you have no good reason whatsoever for wanting to break the US of A apart. Do you not respect everything SS has fought for? the sacrifices he made? you want to forget that, chop it all up and call it a day?

I dont want the US of A to EVER be separated. It's time will come, as no empire lives forever intact, and it's only been a few centuries since its creation..and only decades since the last addition to it. It's a young nation.

You have no reason to be freaking out, not yet, that's what I attest to right here.
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
...
There is another thread on this very board where Mockery is arguing in favor of States to secede. I know you've seen it. It's been going on for a week or more. Are you that fucking dumb?


havent read his posts on it.

i for sure read my posts, many times, it gives me great pleasure. I also read the ones where my name is mentioned, it gives me great pleasure, it makes me feel great, loved, desired, like I glow and shit. It's an awesome feeling. If he didnt mention me on his posts, then I have not read it. Especially if he is arguing with Cocy or you in those posts.

now, seriously, no, i dont read every fucking post, you dumbass.
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Originally posted by: Smiling Canadian
.... My point was...with a shit attitude like yours...ie. you know better than everyone else about everything apparently...how did you get through without getting a good ass whipping? I know how your attitude would go over during my time and I just stated what would be done about it. It was a fact of life at the time. ...
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Cocytus
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
I like how Aria criticizes me for my political views that are very much inline with Ron Paul's and then endorses Ron Paul.

What a fake.


There is a difference: Ron Paul is not a traitor, you are. He doesnt want to see the USA dismembered, you do. Got it? got it.


In my mind the only thing treasonous is anyone who doesn't directly believe in freedom and liberty......

Waring against oppressors of that ideology, be them foreign or domestic, is more patriotic than celebrating and mindlessly wavering some flag and singing an empty anthem.


So who has a right to wave the American flag?


Anyone who wants to......flags don't inherently swear any allegiances.....only flag holders/wavers do.


How can you logically declare that waving a flag shows no allegiance at the same time say that flag holders/wavers do have an allegiance?

When someone waves a flag, usually they agree with it. I could wave a white flag to declare my surrender, but when you fell into the hole with spikes I created to kill you I blew my boogers into the white handkerchief.

Other than that, I don't know of many situations where anyone displays a flag and does show allegiance to it.

Why?
Originally posted by: Yeltzer
Do you not respect everything SS has fought for?


No, I do not. I respect him and his intentions, but not the agents who directed his hands. I have absolutely no respect for the DoD, CIA, Barack Obama, George Bush (either of them), Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Dick "the zombie" Cheney, Dan Quayle, or Joe O'biden. In my book, they are all criminals and some of them, specifically Clinton, are guilty of actual treason.

As far as all of that goes, motherfuck:
John McCain
Lindsey Graham
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid
Barney Frank
Leon Panetta
Ben Bernanke
Tim Geithner
Alan Greenspan
Rick Santorum
Hilary Clinton
John Boehner
Eric Holder
Janet Napolitano
Janet "Butch" Reno
Karl Rove
Michelle Bachman
Sarah Palin
Micheal Chertoff
Rick Perry
Mitt Romney
Newt Gingrich

and the list could go on and on and on.

Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 12/28/2011 6:49:21 PM

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"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Cocytus


How can you logically declare that waving a flag shows no allegiance at the same time say that flag holders/wavers do have an allegiance?


Reread what I said......I said flags have no allegiance......they are but an object. They are a symbol. They are nothing but a piece of cloth, with a pattern, and a stick attached to it.

Originally posted by: Cocytus

When someone waves a flag, usually they agree with it. I could wave a white flag to declare my surrender, but when you fell into the hole with spikes I created to kill you I blew my boogers into the white handkerchief.


Exactly my previous point.......whoever waves the flag makes the rules to why they are.....or think they are........doing it.

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Other than that, I don't know of many situations where anyone displays a flag and does show allegiance to it.

Why?


I presume you mean does not show his allegiance to it. Usually when you fly a flag it is a direct and willful declaration of your allegiance to something......not the opposite of that.
I also don't know of a single soldier who doesn't, or hasn't, ever questioned the intentions of the politicians who have sent them into a battle to do something.

There is a reason that a good amount of our soldiers today are giving their hard earned money and time to support Ron Paul's campaign. It's because everyone has an obligation to question and evaluate their orders from time to time.......to not do so is the only truly outright treasonous act a person can perform in my eyes.

Most of our soldiers now realize that have been unfairly used as cheap labor, as pawns in a political chess game, and as peons whose efforts have been directly taken advantage of over the past half century.

People shouldn't kid themselves into thinking that our soldiers, who are actually making the sacrifices, who are actually giving their blood and lives, don't know this.

These people are anything but stupid, in fact, they are usually some of the most motivated and intellectually sound people I have had the privilege to ever work with.

The people making the measurable sacrifices in this country, be it the soldiers, or the middle class, are tired of being taken advantage of and are starting to question why they are the only ones continually making any level of contributions to our allegedly "collectivist" society. What both groups are doing isn't treasonous, it's extremely patriotic, and is in my opinion entirely too long overdue.
Post edited by Mockery at 12/28/2011 7:59:52 PM
Originally posted by: Mockery
I also don't know of a single soldier who doesn't, or hasn't, ever questioned the intentions of the politicians who have sent them into a battle to do something.

There is a reason that a good amount of our soldiers today are giving their hard earned money and time to support Ron Paul's campaign. It's because everyone has an obligation to question and evaluate their orders from time to time.......to not do so is the only truly outright treasonous act a person can perform in my eyes.

Most of our soldiers now realize that have been unfairly used as cheap labor, as pawns in a political chess game, and as peons whose efforts have been directly taken advantage of over the past half century.

People shouldn't kid themselves into thinking that our soldiers, who are actually making the sacrifices, who are actually giving their blood and lives, don't know this.

These people are anything but stupid, in fact, they are usually some of the most motivated and intellectually sound people I have had the privilege to ever work with.

The people making the measurable sacrifices in this country, be it the soldiers, or the middle class, are tired of being taken advantage of and are starting to question why they are the only ones continually making any level of contributions to our allegedly "collectivist" society. What both groups are doing isn't treasonous, it's extremely patriotic, and is in my opinion entirely too long overdue.


Someone's put some thought into this and is on the right track.

I stood the wall for all of you, regardless your ideology and beliefs. Not for politicians -they have forgotten what we stand for as a Nation.

It is the American thing to do. We are unlike anyone else in the world and this is worth protecting. Old Glory means alot to me because I believe in its founding principles, not the abomination that it is being subverted into by both parties.

lol @ malaria trying to recruit people against me, like he is trying to do with redneck. You think NBF cant see it himself? Add manipulator to the growing list of your shitty character.

oops! pinched a nerve or two? awwwweeeee...poor puppy!

cry moar!

I troll NBF and look who bites...
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?

_________________
"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?


I think it has the best foundations ever. The best consitution ever. If it is disolved, that might not survive. I believe we owe it to our forefathers and our children to try to correct it within our lifetime. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Ironic that the ultimate constitutionalist among the candidates is not fully endorsed by a majority of Americans NOW. I will vote for him.
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Originally posted by: Smiling Canadian
.... My point was...with a shit attitude like yours...ie. you know better than everyone else about everything apparently...how did you get through without getting a good ass whipping? I know how your attitude would go over during my time and I just stated what would be done about it. It was a fact of life at the time. ...
Originally posted by: Netscape
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?


I think it has the best foundations ever. The best consitution ever. If it is disolved, that might not survive. I believe we owe it to our forefathers and our children to try to correct it within our lifetime. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Ironic that the ultimate constitutionalist among the candidates is not fully endorsed by a majority of Americans NOW. I will vote for him.


Our Constitution is worth nothing if it isn't enforced, which it isn't and hasn't been for over 150 years. The beauty of the federalist system that was created by the Constitution and originally by the Articles of Confederation was the limited role of the Feds and the expansive role of the states, counties, and cities. This doesn't exist any more and hasn't since the Republican Revolution. The America that was created by Paine, Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the others is dead and gone. I've never seen it, you never saw it, your grandparents never saw it.

The idea of ever getting it back while maintaining the central government is a pipe dream. The only way to get back what matters, the individual freedoms, is to destroy the leviathan that robbed us of them. So what if that means we have 50 different countries. So what if that means that Old Glory is replaced by 50 different flags. So what if people no longer talk about visiting "The United States". The freedom is all that matters. Everything else is illusion.

_________________
"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Netscape
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?


I think it has the best foundations ever. The best consitution ever. If it is disolved, that might not survive. I believe we owe it to our forefathers and our children to try to correct it within our lifetime. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Ironic that the ultimate constitutionalist among the candidates is not fully endorsed by a majority of Americans NOW. I will vote for him.

The idea of ever getting it back while maintaining the central government is a pipe dream. The only way to get back what matters, the individual freedoms, is to destroy the leviathan that robbed us of them. So what if that means we have 50 different countries. So what if that means that Old Glory is replaced by 50 different flags. So what if people no longer talk about visiting "The United States". The freedom is all that matters. Everything else is illusion.


This is just impressively stupid. Really the sheer void of intelligence you just created may in fact endanger the entire planet.

Post edited by =NCG=Leonidas at 12/29/2011 12:52:16 PM

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Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Netscape
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?


I think it has the best foundations ever. The best consitution ever. If it is disolved, that might not survive. I believe we owe it to our forefathers and our children to try to correct it within our lifetime. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Ironic that the ultimate constitutionalist among the candidates is not fully endorsed by a majority of Americans NOW. I will vote for him.

The idea of ever getting it back while maintaining the central government is a pipe dream. The only way to get back what matters, the individual freedoms, is to destroy the leviathan that robbed us of them. So what if that means we have 50 different countries. So what if that means that Old Glory is replaced by 50 different flags. So what if people no longer talk about visiting "The United States". The freedom is all that matters. Everything else is illusion.


This is just impressively stupid. Really the sheer void of intelligence you just created may in fact endanger the entire planet.


In what way? Has "voting the bums out" fucking worked? Did hope and fucking change fucking work? Did the Contract with fucking America fucking work? How do we limit the out of control fucking government without peaceful dissolution of the Union or outright violence? Please enlighten me.

_________________
"The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals."
-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Netscape
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?


I think it has the best foundations ever. The best consitution ever. If it is disolved, that might not survive. I believe we owe it to our forefathers and our children to try to correct it within our lifetime. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Ironic that the ultimate constitutionalist among the candidates is not fully endorsed by a majority of Americans NOW. I will vote for him.

The idea of ever getting it back while maintaining the central government is a pipe dream. The only way to get back what matters, the individual freedoms, is to destroy the leviathan that robbed us of them. So what if that means we have 50 different countries. So what if that means that Old Glory is replaced by 50 different flags. So what if people no longer talk about visiting "The United States". The freedom is all that matters. Everything else is illusion.


This is just impressively stupid. Really the sheer void of intelligence you just created may in fact endanger the entire planet.


In what way? Has "voting the bums out" fucking worked? Did hope and fucking change fucking work? Did the Contract with fucking America fucking work? How do we limit the out of control fucking government without peaceful dissolution of the Union or outright violence? Please enlighten me.


Lol. You know I tried explaining it, then deleted it because you just can't explain something to somebody who lacks the mental equipment to evaluate the information.
The bottom line is that if the USA were 50(or more) individual states we would be nothing more then kibble for the wolves on the world stage. China, India and Russia would politically and economically marginalise us into serfs to their ambitions. Sure we have problems and there's no easy solution, but shattering the country would be akin to using a .357 to cure a headache. It's a simplistic reactionary response to a complicated problem created over a long time.

I could go on but I'm pretty sure you can't understand what I've just posted anymore then you can understand that if the South had won the war then this country would have been stalled into 2nd world status at best and the problems we current have would seem like paradise compared to the bitter feuding and economic warfare that would have consumed this land.
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Most of our soldiers now realize that have been unfairly used as cheap labor, as pawns in a political chess game, and as peons whose efforts have been directly taken advantage of over the past half century.



Since Vietnam, we have had a volunteer military. Do they sign up stupid and then get smart? How does that work? If we look at recruitment numbers for the last 3 years, what will we find? Are people signing up under Obama and why?

Are you going to take care of everyone now? Do you speak for most military men and women now?

I don't doubt that a person questions orders that may get them killed, but I do doubt that people who sign up for service feel they are being used as slaves.

You gotta bring a little more back up than SS saying that was a well thought out post. Try to remember:



That's the guy that just agreed with you.
My guess is the soldiers in Afgahnistan are also pissed that they are walking away before the job is done after the huge investment. But not just that, we decided to walk away from Afghanistan but decided to keep the troops there for a 3 or more years anyway.
Post edited by Stryk at 12/29/2011 2:59:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Originally posted by: Netscape
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
You still haven't said why you oppose the USA ever splitting up. Why do you believe that?


I think it has the best foundations ever. The best consitution ever. If it is disolved, that might not survive. I believe we owe it to our forefathers and our children to try to correct it within our lifetime. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Ironic that the ultimate constitutionalist among the candidates is not fully endorsed by a majority of Americans NOW. I will vote for him.

The idea of ever getting it back while maintaining the central government is a pipe dream. The only way to get back what matters, the individual freedoms, is to destroy the leviathan that robbed us of them. So what if that means we have 50 different countries. So what if that means that Old Glory is replaced by 50 different flags. So what if people no longer talk about visiting "The United States". The freedom is all that matters. Everything else is illusion.


This is just impressively stupid. Really the sheer void of intelligence you just created may in fact endanger the entire planet.


In what way? Has "voting the bums out" fucking worked? Did hope and fucking change fucking work? Did the Contract with fucking America fucking work? How do we limit the out of control fucking government without peaceful dissolution of the Union or outright violence? Please enlighten me.


Lol. You know I tried explaining it, then deleted it because you just can't explain something to somebody who lacks the mental equipment to evaluate the information.
The bottom line is that if the USA were 50(or more) individual states we would be nothing more then kibble for the wolves on the world stage. China, India and Russia would politically and economically marginalise us into serfs to their ambitions. Sure we have problems and there's no easy solution, but shattering the country would be akin to using a .357 to cure a headache. It's a simplistic reactionary response to a complicated problem created over a long time.

I could go on but I'm pretty sure you can't understand what I've just posted anymore then you can understand that if the South had won the war then this country would have been stalled into 2nd world status at best and the problems we current have would seem like paradise compared to the bitter feuding and economic warfare that would have consumed this land.


More like you tried explaining it and then realized that you don't have an argument. Do you think that Texas, California, New York and Florida are incapable of maintaining their own complete sovereign status? Jesus Christ, California is the 8th or so largest economy in the world all on it's own! As for the smaller states, like my own state of Alabama, why wouldn't they be able to make it? How were Ireland, Iceland, Lithuania, Switzerland, Norway and the many other european nations able to govern themselves and retain their sovereignty for so long? What about the nations of South and Central America? Japan? New Zealand? What makes these nations any different than our states?

As for your assertion of constant conflict between the states, why would that be? Have you never heard of trade? Any secession from the Union does not necessarily equal isolationism. It didn't mean it when the colonies seceded from Britain, it didn't mean it when the CSA seceded from the USA, it didn't mean it when Winston County seceded from Alabama. It's an asinine assumption.

Texas has oil, Alabama has auto manufacturing, Pennsylvania has steel. Why couldn't these three trade with each other for their mutual benefit? Of course, this can be applied to all former American states and all other foreign states.

I'm going to quote Frederic Bastiat again:
“When goods don’t cross borders, soldiers will.”

Trade is the key to peace, and peace is the key to freedom. Powerful centralized governments are not required for either to take place, and more often than not, hinder both peace and trade and, as a result, freedom.

Just look at NAFTA, CAFTA, the Patriot Act, Sopa, and NDAA 2012.

/capitalist

Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 12/29/2011 3:14:27 PM

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Also, you want to talk about wars... no century in humanity had more death than the last century. The culprits were all large centralized empires.

"War is the health of the state."
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Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 12/29/2011 3:09:12 PM

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-- Massachusetts Abolitionist, Lysander Spooner