Tricky: "Bush worse then Hitler & Stalin"

Regardless of any truth behind it. (I wouldn't go this far, altho I do think this war is illegal) the people of Iran are getting a dangerous picture of the US from their media..

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31959

You can't really blame them.. Arab media is continiously broadcasting stories like these:

I want to be a doctor, but how can I without hands?

>> PICTURE <<

"ALI Ismael Abbas, 12, was fast asleep when war shattered his life.

A missile obliterated his home and most of his family, leaving him orphaned, badly burned and blowing off both his arms, the Daily Mirror correspondent in the Iraqi capital told his story Tuesday, April 8.

With tears running down his face he asked: "Can you help get my arms back? Do you think the doctors can get me another pair of hands? If I don't get a pair of hands I will commit suicide.

Shows you.. just because we see a few Iraqis dance in the street and armwrestling a GI Joe it's still a tricky situation Post-Saddam..

/me wonders where this all will lead..


Post edited by muis^ at 4/10/2003 11:54:09 PM

Please remove the picture and provide a link. If you don't the admins will for you.

EDIT: You might also want to check out these pictures and then tell me why we should have left Saddam in power in Iraq.
Post edited by pheirce at 4/10/2003 11:52:59 PM

I wonder why terrorist attacks wasnt launch against saddam?they all cant be on sadddams side right?


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dude, I didn't post that as MY opinion... I posted that because that's what they see in Iran and Syria.. so no need to post counter-piccies towards me..

Plus I took out the pic of Ali, but I seen other pics being posted.. was this pic a little too realistic for you?

I have to agree with Pheirce on this one, that's pure undiluted crap!

my post was towards pheirce.


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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

I wonder why terrorist attacks wasnt launch against saddam?they all cant be on sadddams side right?

Most terrorists target America becasue we are #1. Iraq is like #243 so they aren't a target.

but saddam is so evil, you would think the whole "muslim extremist" world would do everything to get rid of him.He has killed more muslims then the US.


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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

my post was towards pheirce.

Hey Knightmare, THIS IS A FRICKING PUBLIC FORUM. When you post here you post to EVERYONE and EVERYONE has the right to respond


So stop whining and post something decent for once instead of the putrid mental diarrhea that you consider thought!
Post edited by =NCG=Leonidas at 4/11/2003 12:19:14 AM

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

my post was towards pheirce.

Hey Knightmare, THIS IS A FRICKING PUBLIC FORUM. When you post here you post to EVERYONE and EVERYONE has the right to respond


So stop whining and post something decent for once instead of the sycophantic mental diarrhea that you consider thought!

yawn.


"dude, I didn't post that as MY opinion... I posted that because that's what they see in Iran and Syria.. so no need to post counter-piccies towards me.. "





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You forget that these kind of regimes use religion as a weapon.. people believe their leaders are holy.. hence why Saddam can actually offer the suicide bombers a place in heaven.

Originally posted by: muis^

dude, I didn't post that as MY opinion... I posted that because that's what they see in Iran and Syria.. so no need to post counter-piccies towards me..

Plus I took out the pic of Ali, but I seen other pics being posted.. was this pic a little too realistic for you?

Ah I see. I though you posted the link, then posted the picture to show the horrors of war. I find the picture macabre and I'd rather not have it staring at me. I already accept that war has bad consequences.

The deal is, neither of us know how much of the population over there is lapping up these kinds of lies. Heck, we have a portion of our population who share these same sentiments (i.e. Bush is a war criminal, war for oil, blah, blah, blah) and our people have it pretty good.

Maybe when Iraq becomes the crowning jewel of the middle east as they remain a Muslim and Arab majority, we will win more and more people over to the "perhaps we shouldn't slaughter ALL infidels" side.

-pheirce

Originally posted by: muis^

You forget that these kind of regimes use religion as a weapon.. people believe their leaders are holy.. hence why Saddam can actually offer the suicide bombers a place in heaven.

true

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.
Post edited by KnightMare, Inc. at 4/11/2003 12:11:30 AM



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The media worldwide goes overboard nowadays..

Like this one:

http://www.survivingterrorism.com

whats that all about? creates panic and false realism.

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

my post was towards pheirce.

Hey Knightmare, THIS IS A FRICKING PUBLIC FORUM. When you post here you post to EVERYONE and EVERYONE has the right to respond


So stop whining and post something decent for once instead of the sycophantic mental diarrhea that you consider thought!

yawn.


"dude, I didn't post that as MY opinion... I posted that because that's what they see in Iran and Syria.. so no need to post counter-piccies towards me.. "

WTF your reply had NOTHING to do with what I said, is this because you'r brain is incapable of thinking about something, then responding to it in a common sense manner???

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.

Not true, Saudi Arabia isn't lead by extremists... in fact, to a certain point the Saudis are helping the Allied forces. The people of Saudi Arabia are more against the war, but not to the extend of Iraq, Iran or Syria.

There ARE decent countries in the Gulf you know.. people make the mistake of seeing the entire Gulf as a breeding-spot for terrorism, but thats just simply not true.

Originally posted by: muis^

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.

Not true, Saudi Arabia isn't lead by extremists... in fact, to a certain point the Saudis are helping the Allied forces. The people of Saudi Arabia are more against the war, but not to the extend of Iraq, Iran or Syria.

There ARE decent countries in the Gulf you know.. people make the mistake of seeing the entire Gulf as a breeding-spot for terrorism, but thats just simply not true.

Your right there is a decent country in the Mideast And they've been both Democratic AND our SWORN ALLIES for the last 50 YEARS

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

my post was towards pheirce.

Hey Knightmare, THIS IS A FRICKING PUBLIC FORUM. When you post here you post to EVERYONE and EVERYONE has the right to respond


So stop whining and post something decent for once instead of the sycophantic mental diarrhea that you consider thought!

yawn.


"dude, I didn't post that as MY opinion... I posted that because that's what they see in Iran and Syria.. so no need to post counter-piccies towards me.. "

WTF your reply had NOTHING to do with what I said, is this because you'r brain is incapable of thinking about something, then responding to it in a common sense manner???

strike 2.


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Originally posted by: muis^

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.

Not true, Saudi Arabia isn't lead by extremists... in fact, to a certain point the Saudis are helping the Allied forces. The people of Saudi Arabia are more against the war, but not to the extend of Iraq, Iran or Syria.

There ARE decent countries in the Gulf you know.. people make the mistake of seeing the entire Gulf as a breeding-spot for terrorism, but thats just simply not true.

yes but I was just using saudi arabia as an example for a country other then Iraq.


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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

strike 2.

ROFLMFAO sorry buddy but this isn't Baseball, and if it was, , ,you'd already have lost.

I've been scoring home run's on you for weeks.


BTW I checked your profile, NO ACTIVE TEAMS FOUND ...

NO SHIT I'd LOVE to see the team that wants an inflatable ego playing for them.

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

strike 2.

ROFLMFAO sorry buddy but this isn't Baseball, and if it was, , ,you'd already have lost.

I've been scoring home run's on you for weeks.


BTW I checked your profile, NO ACTIVE TEAMS FOUND ...

NO SHIT I'd LOVE to see the team that wants an inflatable ego playing for them.

ohh strike 3, well I guess I'll explain it step by step for you.

1.muis^ starts the thread
2.pheirce replys with pictures of the evil shit that saddam has done.
3.I ask pheirce a question without directing it to him. (opps)
4.muis^ thought my post was directed to him and he explained that this wasnt his opinion.
5.I reply adding what I forgot to add in the first place saying the post was for phierce.

shall I go on?




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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

Originally posted by: muis^

You forget that these kind of regimes use religion as a weapon.. people believe their leaders are holy.. hence why Saddam can actually offer the suicide bombers a place in heaven.

true

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.

you think?

arabs hate each other, man...they trust no-1.
that bullshit about a Muslim "brotherhood is empty talk". It really is. The truth is, the arab as a civilizations is quite fractured.

It only *feels* like they all hate the USA cuz of 9/11. Not all do. Not most, even.

They dislike their situation. They can't blame their own governments...why? It is easier to make the population hate others outside the country than to effect actuial change in the population's conditions.

Isn't funny that all arab countries are governed by Arabs? That a good chunk of the world's oil is in their own hands? And they lead some of the shitiest lives?

Standards of living can be compared to Africa's in some places...yet the MIddle East has a lot of Oil. What gives?

Arabs taking adavantage of other Arabs...that's what.

Do the match: Barrels of Oil produced per year X dollars per barrel = rough estimate of $$ available to these countries **where the oil industry is nationalized, mind you**

The Arab civilization is sucking right now. In the future, it might be us, or the Chinese...we all get a turn at the bottom of the Totem Pole!!!

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1)A solo vocal piece with instrumental accompaniment, as in an opera.

2)An air; a melody.

3)The act of leaving one's capitalization lock on(i.e. Pulling an Aria)
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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

ohh strike 3, well I guess I'll explain it step by step for you.

1.muis^ starts the thread
2.pheirce replys with pictures of the evil shit that saddam has done.
3.I ask pheirce a question without directing it to him. (opps)
4.muis^ thought my post was directed to him and he explained that this wasnt his opinion.
5.I reply adding what I forgot to add in the first place saying the post was for phierce.

shall I go on?


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Whatever man. . Whatever, But tell me this, , have you EVER read ANY books about the Middle East. or do you just pop off whatever comes to the top of your head from listening to your parents and TV

Cause it sure as hell sounds like it. I would recommend for starters

Bernard Lewis

The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror
What Went Wrong: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East

or if you prefer an ARAB author please check out

Fouad Ajami

The Arab Predicament: Arab Political Thought and Practice since 1967

Dream Palace of the Arabs: A Generation's Odyssey

or for a lite read by Ajami on the Iraqui situation click here

Post edited by =NCG=Leonidas at 4/11/2003 1:01:28 AM

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

Originally posted by: muis^

You forget that these kind of regimes use religion as a weapon.. people believe their leaders are holy.. hence why Saddam can actually offer the suicide bombers a place in heaven.

true

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.

Many Arabs were rooting for Saddam simply because they wanted America to get their comeupance (as was France and some of the American anti-war crowd). It was disheartening and probably frightening for them to realize that their military might is not match for ours, not even close.

Again, maybe it'll make them pause a moment and think "maybe we shouldn't be trying to pick a fight with these fellers".

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Whatever man. . Whatever, But tell me this, , have you EVER read ANY books about the Middle East. or do you just pop off whatever comes to the top of your head from listening to your parents and TV

Cause it sure as hell sounds like it. I would recommend for starters

Bernard Lewis

The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror
What Went Wrong: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East

or if you prefer an ARAB author please check out

Fouad Ajami

The Arab Predicament: Arab Political Thought and Practice since 1967

Dream Palace of the Arabs: A Generation's Odyssey

or for a lite read by Ajami on the Iraqui situation click here

hey thanks!...I'm gonna chose one of those for this summer...sometime. I gotta check em out at the library first, and see which one interests me the most.

I like the "Clash of Civilizations". Oldie, but good.

edit: i like it because of its background stuff.
Post edited by Aria at 4/11/2003 1:03:32 AM

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1)A solo vocal piece with instrumental accompaniment, as in an opera.

2)An air; a melody.

3)The act of leaving one's capitalization lock on(i.e. Pulling an Aria)
" - Planck's Incontinent

Hey guys, who the hell cares what these countries think? Forget them, we are right. Were doing the right thing - let's not give into a fucking popularity contest.

-Naut

Just remember that Mein Keampf is the #2 best selling book in the arab world. For those that dont know its Hilters book.

Originally posted by: =NCG=Leonidas

Originally posted by: muis^

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

but what about the folks in saudi arabia or any other middle eastern country to get rid of saddam.

Seems like they hate the US more the saddam.

Not true, Saudi Arabia isn't lead by extremists... in fact, to a certain point the Saudis are helping the Allied forces. The people of Saudi Arabia are more against the war, but not to the extend of Iraq, Iran or Syria.

There ARE decent countries in the Gulf you know.. people make the mistake of seeing the entire Gulf as a breeding-spot for terrorism, but thats just simply not true.

Your right there is a decent country in the Mideast And they've been both Democratic AND our SWORN ALLIES for the last 50 YEARS

Exactly. And Islam isnt the religion there nor do they teach hate and death to their own children

sadaam killed more people in his reighn of terror than we did in our march for liberation. nobodys perfect, and any smart person in iraq would have gotten the hell outta baghdad on the first night we bombed it.

exactly trap. And dont forget that Saddam has murded before and blamed us like he did in teh gulf war. I would bet a lot of civilian deaths were caused by the Iraqi army.

^^^^
werd

Actually, there is no solid proof it was a US bomb that injured that child. It very well could have been an IRAQ SAM that malfunctioned OR ran out of fuel and came back down.

And Leonides, post but don't flame. The only one having a flaming contest in this thread is you...thanks.


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Funny that you should draw the comparison of Bush to Hitler since its been a shameful historical fact which the Bush family would love to hide, that the Bush's got rich selling munitions, fuel, even technology to the Nazis during WWII. Look up I G Farben ( the company no longer exists under that name... instead it split up and became the four major German corporations: Bayer, Hoechst, Agfa and BASF).

Along with the Rockefellers (Standard Oil, Chase Manhattan Bank), Mellons (Gulf Oil, Alcoa Aluminum), DuPonts (DuPont Chemicals), General Motors and Henry Ford, banks and shipping companies operated by the Bush family were crucial players in setting up the industrial power behind the Third Reich. These companies poured hundreds of millions of dollars into IG Farben and provided it with technology for tactically-essential synthetic materials-while withholding the same materials and patents from the US government.

The Rockefeller family, long aligned with the Bushes, owned Standard Oil. Through a stock transfer they became half owners of Germany's IG Farben with Farben likewise owning almost half of Standard Oil.

here's an informative little flash movie which gives some background on the Bush-Hitler connection:
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html


That is why I had to laugh when Bush announced that "anyone who commits acts of terrorism must be brought to justice" ... I guess 'ol Georgie gave himself (and his family) a good ol presidential pardon on that one.

Mr Nice. You crack me up. People all make mistakes and we learn from them. Clinton has made more than any president. Next you will be saying that my ancestors threw a rock and killed your ancestors and you are now entitled to something. Give me a break. History is exactly what its called. Bush wasnt the one dealing with Germany. Maybe you should contact JOHN EDWARDS and see if you can discuss it with Bushs dead family.

So you are also being contradictive to your liberal views then. Because you are generalizing. I thought liberals hated generalizations. How funny. So you are saying that anyone who is somehow connected to a person in the past that did a bad thing is now guilty by association. LMAO. Good one.

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Mr Nice. You crack me up. People all make mistakes and we learn from them. Clinton has made more than any president. Next you will be saying that my ancestors threw a rock and killed your ancestors and you are now entitled to something. Give me a break. History is exactly what its called. Bush wasnt the one dealing with Germany. Maybe you should contact JOHN EDWARDS and see if you can discuss it with Bushs dead family.

Mis-take - An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.
So I guess George Bush sr (you know.. US ex-president) and his father can blame funding Hitler's Nazi war machine on carelessness or perhaps deficient knowledge? Or is it just that you feel Hitler wasn't such a bad guy, he just made some mistakes? Both my parents spent time in Auschwitz when they were little kids, tell THEM that what they went through was a result of defective judgment by the Bush family. No matter how you try to justify it, the fact remains plain and simple, Bush is not sending innocent Americans to die for "the benefit of the Iraqi people" or to "protect the world from weapons of mass destruction", he's blatantly sending Americans (and Brits) to die for his oil interests.
And regarding your comments about "my liberal views" ... my views are nothing more than my heartfelt opinions based on my skeptical perception of current world events. I don't subscribe to specific political factions, I just know when I see the things Bush is doing and saying, my bullshit detector goes way off the chart.
btw, I predicted this very situation ( bush invading Iraq )in a post before he was even attacking Afghanistan, and so many people were telling me I was an idiot and a conspiracy nut.

You are way off base. My family also suffered. But you are making very dumb acusations.

what will be funny is when bush continues to do what he says. You will keep sticking your foot in your mouth then.

Hopefully you will lose the the hate you have. I would bet to say your ancestors have committed murderous and horrific crimes long, long ago. All our relatives have. But to hold anyone accountable for the past is 100% laughable.

And Mr. Nice since you are ignorant or not aware of some of the facts. Let me help you out there bro.

1..We could have had teh oil in 91 and didnt. We also prove daily that every point you have made is wrong.

2..WMD have been found.

3..Saddam is as bad as hitler. So by your own admission you say that we should have done nothing and let another million people die by saddams hand. That is truly sickening in my opinion.

4..Show me any facts or proof you have to back any of your claims that this is for oil, not for WMD and not to help the Iraqi people.

I would bet you cant provide anything. Goodluck though

Originally posted by: Mr. Nice

We didnt send the brits. They chose to fight this evil man with us. They saw that inspections didnt work and we now know they didnt work. We also know the involvement of France and Russia and why they veto'd.
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 4/11/2003 4:06:50 PM

saddam is a two bit criminal compared to the atrocities that hitler commited. to my knowledge the only tyrants to equal or exceed his deeds are stalin and pol pot.

to say our leader is hitler is foolish. I dont like the guy at all and think he is a horrible leader in an era where the US has greater global influence now than ever before. I dont believe he is evil tho. or hell bent on personal gain.