Originally posted by: Stryk
Does anybody even use floppy discs anymore? I mean its probably been a couple of years for me and that was doing something out of the usual with an old system and it was 3 years or so before that.
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZThere's one option missing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14977728
summary on the road ahead for Greece, EU and THE WORLD.
hmmmm....it's like stirring shit using a decayed carcass
Originally posted by: StrykOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZThere's one option missing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14977728
summary on the road ahead for Greece, EU and THE WORLD.
hmmmm....it's like stirring shit using a decayed carcass
Dissolve the EU as much as possible to limit the spread of damage.
Originally posted by: Stryk
what will probably happen is the exact opposite. There will be those that say the solution is that no one government can be allowed to put all the EU at risk, therefore they need to make the EU Federal government.
Originally posted by: Stryk
Does anybody even use floppy discs anymore? I mean its probably been a couple of years for me and that was doing something out of the usual with an old system and it was 3 years or so before that.
Originally posted by: IrrenarztI guess there's a charm to shit being so obsolete, no one can hack it.Originally posted by: Stryk
Does anybody even use floppy discs anymore? I mean its probably been a couple of years for me and that was doing something out of the usual with an old system and it was 3 years or so before that.
Pretty common in the military. We aren't allowed to use thumb drives and shit.
Originally posted by: Irrenarzt
Pretty common in the military. We aren't allowed to use thumb drives and shit.
Originally posted by: Cocytus
Was Greece the beginning of Western Civilisation?
All the boxes at the bottom lead to the same thing.
The Gods of Chaos and Anarchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Merkel said no more money after this recent loan.
Bye Greece!
Greece announces that it cannot fulfill the deficit required by the troika
The Papandreou Government will eliminate 30,000 posts for squaring accounts
Sunday, October 2, 2011 - 22: 34 pm.
Votes:
+3
-4
AGENCIES / Athens
Greece will remove the squares of 30,000 civil servants this year through early retirement, which provides a saving of EUR 6,600 million as part of the austerity plan adopted by the Government.
The plan includes paying half of the salary and passing the subject a year later for all those who have 60 years. A total of 900,000 civil servants, some 43,000 are in this category, according to official data from last year
The Ministry of finance adds that the contraction of the economy will be greater than estimated, and will amount to 5.5 per cent of the gross domestic product (GDP) in 2011 instead of the expected 3.8%. By 2012, contraction will be expected by 2%.
Forecasts for the deficit, which will close this year by 8.5 per cent of GDP instead of the expected 7.6% have also been corrected. In 2012, the deficit will reach 6.8% of GDP, according to new estimates.
The Ministry estimates that by 2012 there will be a primary surplus, without the obligations of repayment of the loans of 3.2 billion, equivalent to 1.5% of GDP.
The meeting comes after a week of negotiations between the Greek authorities and the international inspectors of the so-called troika, composed of experts from the European Commission (EC), the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the European Central Bank (ECB). The report of the heads of the troika mission will depend on the partners in the euro zone to decide on October 13 if they give Greece a stretch of 8 billion euros, needed to keep the country afloat.
The Greek Parliament must ratify these agreements Monday.
Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
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Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
It also puts it to people who have something you can be jealous over.
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZAre you?Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
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Stryk, hope you are joking.
Originally posted by: StrykOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZAre you?Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
....
Stryk, hope you are joking.
There are multiple scenarios where property falls into disuse or neglect. One may be property being inherited among several children who can't agree what to do.
eventually people stop paying property tax and someone picks it up for back taxes.
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZOriginally posted by: StrykOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZAre you?Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
....
Stryk, hope you are joking.
There are multiple scenarios where property falls into disuse or neglect. One may be property being inherited among several children who can't agree what to do.
eventually people stop paying property tax and someone picks it up for back taxes.
*sigh
have you ever paid property taxes?
if the property is abandoned, it's value goes down and you can ask for the assessment to be looked at (redeuced).
property taxes has NOTHING to do with helping dis-used or abandoned property get proper use, rehab'd or upgraded.
if anything, to the contrary, improving a property will get you more taxes as a reward.
property taxes are a vehicle to collect money to pay for services used by the community....
I submit that income taxes are a better way, to cover basic existence and then charge per usage. Fire departments, police etc etc etc. Charge the criminal for the time and expense, charge the home that suffered the fire for the firemen's time...include those fees to be paid in your insurance coverage, no bid deal.
I know one thing, taxing after-tax dollars is double taxation the first year, and multiple after that.
Originally posted by: MockeryOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZOriginally posted by: StrykOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZAre you?Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
....
Stryk, hope you are joking.
There are multiple scenarios where property falls into disuse or neglect. One may be property being inherited among several children who can't agree what to do.
eventually people stop paying property tax and someone picks it up for back taxes.
*sigh
have you ever paid property taxes?
if the property is abandoned, it's value goes down and you can ask for the assessment to be looked at (redeuced).
property taxes has NOTHING to do with helping dis-used or abandoned property get proper use, rehab'd or upgraded.
if anything, to the contrary, improving a property will get you more taxes as a reward.
property taxes are a vehicle to collect money to pay for services used by the community....
I submit that income taxes are a better way, to cover basic existence and then charge per usage. Fire departments, police etc etc etc. Charge the criminal for the time and expense, charge the home that suffered the fire for the firemen's time...include those fees to be paid in your insurance coverage, no bid deal.
I know one thing, taxing after-tax dollars is double taxation the first year, and multiple after that.
The neatest trick is to make people pay for the same "basic" services over and over again in eighty different ways....but never actually giving it to them.
Sure a portion of your property taxes are supposed to go toward community services (like you mentioned).
When that wasn't nearly sufficient,.....
Sure a portion of your income taxes were supposed to help further pay for it.
When that didn't work....
Sure a sales tax raise in your area....or by the state....or in my area both......was levied in order help make this all work out.
It's a really fun trick that so many people keep falling for. This is why less than 2% of my total taxes paid actually goes towards infrastructure repair in my State. Then, when I bitch about it, people profess that we need to further raise taxes.....*Pulls hair out*
It ends up this way because you can't ransom shit that nobody wants to be paying for.......
So, in return, we keep having to pay more and more money in taxes....in a million different forms.....to get a continually reduced standard of "basic services" at an exponentially higher operating cost.
It's the new American dream....we are being nickel and fuckind dimmed to death over here....whether its coming from our banks, the store, or the government drafting such idiotic policies.
/end rant
Originally posted by: Cocytus
All the money going into the government should be taxed! How is possible for the government to collect money and not pay tax!
When I collect money, I pay tax!
What is wrong with this picture?
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZOriginally posted by: MockeryOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZOriginally posted by: StrykOriginally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZAre you?Originally posted by: Stryk
property tax is a tool to take control of neglected property away from someone not using it.
....
Stryk, hope you are joking.
There are multiple scenarios where property falls into disuse or neglect. One may be property being inherited among several children who can't agree what to do.
eventually people stop paying property tax and someone picks it up for back taxes.
*sigh
have you ever paid property taxes?
if the property is abandoned, it's value goes down and you can ask for the assessment to be looked at (redeuced).
property taxes has NOTHING to do with helping dis-used or abandoned property get proper use, rehab'd or upgraded.
if anything, to the contrary, improving a property will get you more taxes as a reward.
property taxes are a vehicle to collect money to pay for services used by the community....
I submit that income taxes are a better way, to cover basic existence and then charge per usage. Fire departments, police etc etc etc. Charge the criminal for the time and expense, charge the home that suffered the fire for the firemen's time...include those fees to be paid in your insurance coverage, no bid deal.
I know one thing, taxing after-tax dollars is double taxation the first year, and multiple after that.
The neatest trick is to make people pay for the same "basic" services over and over again in eighty different ways....but never actually giving it to them.
Sure a portion of your property taxes are supposed to go toward community services (like you mentioned).
When that wasn't nearly sufficient,.....
Sure a portion of your income taxes were supposed to help further pay for it.
When that didn't work....
Sure a sales tax raise in your area....or by the state....or in my area both......was levied in order help make this all work out.
It's a really fun trick that so many people keep falling for. This is why less than 2% of my total taxes paid actually goes towards infrastructure repair in my State. Then, when I bitch about it, people profess that we need to further raise taxes.....*Pulls hair out*
It ends up this way because you can't ransom shit that nobody wants to be paying for.......
So, in return, we keep having to pay more and more money in taxes....in a million different forms.....to get a continually reduced standard of "basic services" at an exponentially higher operating cost.
It's the new American dream....we are being nickel and fuckind dimmed to death over here....whether its coming from our banks, the store, or the government drafting such idiotic policies.
/end rant
spot on.
years ago I calculated the actual tax rate I paid for the income I earned, the wealth I had,
I was paying around 56% in taxes, including:
1. federal income t.
2. state i.t.
3. payroll taxes
4. property taxes
5. capital gains taxes
6. gasoline taxes
7. sales taxes
8. utility related taxes
9. tolls
yeah, I had fun calculating it.
it was a real eye opener, peeps. back then I was using Quicken and paying all with credit cards (then pay off @ end of month). So I would d/l expenses, the rest was easy.
when u realize that you are keeping 40-50% of what you make and YOU ARE NOT living in Norway (public health care, fully funded pensions, for example)...then u realize u r being scammed out of your money AND paying for it.
Originally posted by: Mockerythey havent implemented withdrawal limits yet (not talking ATM's which have always had some sort of daily limit, for security).
It's already happening....
The more banks try to leverage against the very people who have money with them....the more we will see a resistance.
I'm already seeing it with Bank of America today. They implemented a $5 monthly debit card usage fee and I know three people who got their money out today and moved it over to a local credit union.
People are starting to get wise to how badly others will continue to fuck you if you simply ignore the problem and become complacent to this type of corruption.
The banking system is at the precipitous of a collapse right now and as they start to fall, or pressure others to pull their weight for them, we are going to see a push back unlike anything we have ever seen before.
Governments are ramping up for this and that's why they are implementing all sorts of new withdrawal limits. I hear this is exceptionally bad in your area right now.
Originally posted by: Aria Giovanni.pZOriginally posted by: Mockerythey havent implemented withdrawal limits yet (not talking ATM's which have always had some sort of daily limit, for security).
It's already happening....
The more banks try to leverage against the very people who have money with them....the more we will see a resistance.
I'm already seeing it with Bank of America today. They implemented a $5 monthly debit card usage fee and I know three people who got their money out today and moved it over to a local credit union.
People are starting to get wise to how badly others will continue to fuck you if you simply ignore the problem and become complacent to this type of corruption.
The banking system is at the precipitous of a collapse right now and as they start to fall, or pressure others to pull their weight for them, we are going to see a push back unlike anything we have ever seen before.
Governments are ramping up for this and that's why they are implementing all sorts of new withdrawal limits. I hear this is exceptionally bad in your area right now.
I expect withdrawal limits at the teller any day now.
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