Obamacare Sucks? BLAME REPUBLICANS. No Jobs Bill? BLAME REPUBLICANS

Durbin says Democrats don’t currently have the votes for Obama jobs bill

Originally posted by: thehill.com
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, at the moment, Democrats in Congress don’t have the votes to pass President Obama’s jobs bill, but Durbin added that that situation would change.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/184713-durbin-says-democrats-dont-currently-have-the-votes-for-obama-jobs-bill

No surprise here really. Hours after the nationally televised joint session of Congress in which President Obama ordered Congress to pass the bill, Democrats were saying it was garbage.



But it's the republicans' fault.

EDIT: <--- another one, because it's just that funny
Post edited by Pillbug at 9/30/2011 10:30:28 AM

“The oil-producing-state senators don’t like eliminating or reducing the subsidy for oil companies,” Durbin said. “There are some senators who are up for election who say ‘I’m never gonna vote for a tax increase while I’m up for election, even on the wealthiest people.’ So, we’re not gonna have 100 percent of Democratic senators. That’s why it needs to be bipartisan and I hope we can find some Republicans who will join us to make it happen.”

It's all about the timing.

As far as who is calling the Bill "garbage"...were you talking about the comments? I didn't see anyone in that very short article playing the blame game, or calling the Bill garbage. The article talks about the pressures of voting during an election year, and the need for a bipartisanship.
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Originally posted by: FSB
“The oil-producing-state senators don’t like eliminating or reducing the subsidy for oil companies,” Durbin said. “There are some senators who are up for election who say ‘I’m never gonna vote for a tax increase while I’m up for election, even on the wealthiest people.’ So, we’re not gonna have 100 percent of Democratic senators. That’s why it needs to be bipartisan and I hope we can find some Republicans who will join us to make it happen.”

It's all about the timing.

As far as who is calling the Bill "garbage"...were you talking about the comments? I didn't see anyone in that very short article playing the blame game, or calling the Bill garbage. The article talks about the pressures of voting during an election year, and the need for a bipartisanship.

They didn't use the exact word "garbage" but that's what it equates too. Why won't any of them vote for a tax increase in an election year? Becaust it's toxic. Dangerous. Bad. Garbage.

Whatever youw ant to describe it.

And, thanks for the additional quotes because it just goes to show that they are playing politics with the jobs bill just like they've accused the republicans of doing on so many issues.

The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity. They represent a variety of interests and they will vote in their best interests. Some interests may be those of friends in their personal life or friends in a given industry. There are a lot of people and groups that affect the way elected representatives vote. These influences effect everyone in congress.

The House of Representatives are controlled by the opposition party. It will be impossible to pass a bill without cooperation from the Republican leadership in that chamber. In the Senate, there are several Senators of both parties who intend to vote 'no' based on the influence of friends in industry. Therefore for the bill to pass the Senate there will need to be even more votes across party lines.

The individuals who serve in Congress will vote the way they want in accordance with the varied interests they serve. Counting votes and lobbying Congressmen is a difficult business that requires weighing the different interests that influence the way Congressmen vote.

I don't usually fall into the trap of blaming only a single group for less than desirable outcomes. They are individuals just as we are; individuals will make choices individually. On many bills the votes aren't there until they are; the votes are attained only after there are modifications satisfying enough individualst that passage in both chambers becomes possible.

Liberals don't grasp personally responsibility. Are you surprised by this?
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Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity. They represent a variety of interests and they will vote in their best interests. Some interests may be those of friends in their personal life or friends in a given industry. There are a lot of people and groups that affect the way elected representatives vote. These influences effect everyone in congress.

Remember this the next time someone paints "the GOP" or "Republicans" with a single brush stroke.

You're 100% correct, but there exists a disgusting, hypocritical double-standard.

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity.

Far less so than Republicans, whose votes are influenced by the most extreme right wing elements of their party in order to bring everyone with an (R) next to their name on board for a vote. Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans when they do dissent.

Article: we can't pass the jobs bill because of partisan politics.

Pillbug's interpretation of article: Even Democrats think Obama's bill sucks.

Originally posted by: Coba|t

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity.

Far less so than Republicans, whose votes are influenced by the most extreme right wing elements of their party in order to bring everyone with an (R) next to their name on board for a vote. Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans when they do dissent.

Keep doing all those drugs. Your concept of reality continues to provide me laughs
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Originally posted by: questionmark
Article: we can't pass the jobs bill because of partisan politics.

Pillbug's interpretation of article: Even Democrats think Obama's bill sucks.

Uh... where did the article say they couldn't pass the bill because of partisan politics?

They can't pass the bill because of intra-party politics.

Dick Durbin is a D(Ill) Senator explaining why other Dems won't vote for the bill. That has nothing to do with one party vs the other. It has everything to do with one party against itself.

Just like the Health Care Legislation did.

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: questionmark
Article: we can't pass the jobs bill because of partisan politics.

Pillbug's interpretation of article: Even Democrats think Obama's bill sucks.

Uh... where did the article say they couldn't pass the bill because of partisan politics?

They can't pass the bill because of intra-party politics.

Dick Durbin is a D(Ill) Senator explaining why other Dems won't vote for the bill. That has nothing to do with one party vs the other. It has everything to do with one party against itself.

Just like the Health Care Legislation did.

Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered. There are very few bills that are ever passed with unanimous support from a single party. There's almost always a handful of people that go against the party. The real problem here is that Republicans are unlikely to vote for anything with Obama's name on it, regardless of whether or not it's good for the country.

Originally posted by: questionmark
Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered.

That's not what I said. I simply said there was a splinter in the Democratic Party within the Senate over this particular legislation.



Post edited by Pillbug at 9/30/2011 1:48:20 PM

Originally posted by: Coba|t
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Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans Progressives when they do dissent.

This is EXACTLY who you are. By all means post where you ever bad mouthed Puddin for his dissent. Lying hypocrite.

Originally posted by: Coba|t

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity.

Far less so than Republicans, whose votes are influenced by the most extreme right wing elements of their party in order to bring everyone with an (R) next to their name on board for a vote. Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans when they do dissent.

You're out of your fucking mind if you think the far-left doesn't control the Democratic Party.

Of course, you are a hypocrite, as SS pointed out, so it wouldn't surprise me if you knew it, but just didn't want to portray things as equal as they are.

Some people start to get nervous when their President can't give out more money to his constituents.

Obama on Congress:

"This Congress, they are accustomed to doing nothing, and they’re comfortable with doing nothing, and they keep on doing nothing,”


Post edited by burn! at 9/30/2011 2:58:10 PM

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: Coba|t

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity.

Far less so than Republicans, whose votes are influenced by the most extreme right wing elements of their party in order to bring everyone with an (R) next to their name on board for a vote. Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans when they do dissent.

You're out of your fucking mind if you think the far-left doesn't control the Democratic Party.

Of course, you are a hypocrite, as SS pointed out, so it wouldn't surprise me if you knew it, but just didn't want to portray things as equal as they are.

You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think teacher unions and unions in general control the democrat party. These are specific groups - not the mythological "extreme right wing" that is so often mentioned

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: questionmark
Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered.

That's not what I said. I simply said there was a splinter in the Democratic Party within the Senate over this particular legislation.

Way to ignore the rest of my post. The truth is that you're simply trying to make a big deal out of a non issue and choosing to ignore the real problem (partisan politics).

Originally posted by: questionmark

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: questionmark
Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered.

That's not what I said. I simply said there was a splinter in the Democratic Party within the Senate over this particular legislation.

Way to ignore the rest of my post. The truth is that you're simply trying to make a big deal out of a non issue and choosing to ignore the real problem (partisan politics).

Are you saying that partisan politics should work only one way?

Grow a pair dude!

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Originally posted by: questionmark

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: questionmark
Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered.

That's not what I said. I simply said there was a splinter in the Democratic Party within the Senate over this particular legislation.

Way to ignore the rest of my post. The truth is that you're simply trying to make a big deal out of a non issue and choosing to ignore the real problem (partisan politics).

Are you saying that partisan politics should work only one way?

Grow a pair dude!

No, that's not what I'm saying, and you'd have to be pretty dumb to glean that from my post.

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity. They represent a variety of interests and they will vote in their best interests. Some interests may be those of friends in their personal life or friends in a given industry. There are a lot of people and groups that affect the way elected representatives vote. These influences effect everyone in congress.

The House of Representatives are controlled by the opposition party. It will be impossible to pass a bill without cooperation from the Republican leadership in that chamber. In the Senate, there are several Senators of both parties who intend to vote 'no' based on the influence of friends in industry. Therefore for the bill to pass the Senate there will need to be even more votes across party lines.

The individuals who serve in Congress will vote the way they want in accordance with the varied interests they serve. Counting votes and lobbying Congressmen is a difficult business that requires weighing the different interests that influence the way Congressmen vote.

I don't usually fall into the trap of blaming only a single group for less than desirable outcomes. They are individuals just as we are; individuals will make choices individually. On many bills the votes aren't there until they are; the votes are attained only after there are modifications satisfying enough individualst that passage in both chambers becomes possible.

I agree....this is a very articulate post by a very rational poster....

Originally posted by: burn!
Obama on Congress:

"This Congress, they are accustomed to doing nothing, and they’re comfortable with doing nothing, and they keep on doing nothing,”

Call me crazy.....but I like do nothing.

Last year Congress drafted some 75000 pages of garbage whose wording wasn't worth the paper I should have been wiping my asshole with.

Every time a mindless, vogon, bureaucrat passes a bill, a ferry loses its wings, loses its ability to fly without FAA consent, and can't drop pixy dust without zoning permits and EPA/OSHA certifications.....
Post edited by Mockery at 9/30/2011 3:21:58 PM

Originally posted by: burn!
Obama on Congress:

"This Congress, they are accustomed to doing nothing, and they’re comfortable with doing nothing, and they keep on doing nothing,”

The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

Originally posted by: questionmark

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Originally posted by: questionmark

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: questionmark
Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered.

That's not what I said. I simply said there was a splinter in the Democratic Party within the Senate over this particular legislation.

Way to ignore the rest of my post. The truth is that you're simply trying to make a big deal out of a non issue and choosing to ignore the real problem (partisan politics).

Are you saying that partisan politics should work only one way?

Grow a pair dude!

No, that's not what I'm saying, and you'd have to be pretty dumb to glean that from my post.

How is a divide within the DEMOCRATIC PARTY within the Seante partisan?

You understand what partisan means, right?

Originally posted by: questionmark

Originally posted by: Cocytus

Originally posted by: questionmark

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: questionmark
Democrats can't get it passed without Bipartisan support =|= Democratic party is splintered.

That's not what I said. I simply said there was a splinter in the Democratic Party within the Senate over this particular legislation.

Way to ignore the rest of my post. The truth is that you're simply trying to make a big deal out of a non issue and choosing to ignore the real problem (partisan politics).

Are you saying that partisan politics should work only one way?

Grow a pair dude!

No, that's not what I'm saying, and you'd have to be pretty dumb to glean that from my post.

Did you say the real issue is partisan politics or not?

All I'm saying is both sides do it and not to be a baby when your side gets fucked by it.

Please explain your point again?

Originally posted by: burn!

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: Coba|t

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity.

Far less so than Republicans, whose votes are influenced by the most extreme right wing elements of their party in order to bring everyone with an (R) next to their name on board for a vote. Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans when they do dissent.

You're out of your fucking mind if you think the far-left doesn't control the Democratic Party.

Of course, you are a hypocrite, as SS pointed out, so it wouldn't surprise me if you knew it, but just didn't want to portray things as equal as they are.

You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think teacher unions and unions in general control the democrat party. These are specific groups - not the mythological "extreme right wing" that is so often mentioned

Gee....so the big money controls the left?

That's like saying the rich control the Republicans.

Go figure....hippies and communist vegans don't have the political clout that billions in campaign contributions do.

Originally posted by: Mockery

Originally posted by: burn!

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: Coba|t

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The Democrats in congress aren't a monolithic entity.

Far less so than Republicans, whose votes are influenced by the most extreme right wing elements of their party in order to bring everyone with an (R) next to their name on board for a vote. Or at the very least, to speak no evil about their fellow batshit insane Republicans when they do dissent.

You're out of your fucking mind if you think the far-left doesn't control the Democratic Party.

Of course, you are a hypocrite, as SS pointed out, so it wouldn't surprise me if you knew it, but just didn't want to portray things as equal as they are.

You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think teacher unions and unions in general control the democrat party. These are specific groups - not the mythological "extreme right wing" that is so often mentioned

Gee....so the big money controls the left?

That's like saying the rich control the Republicans.

Go figure....hippies and communist vegans don't have the political clout that billions in campaign contributions do.

I'm not sure what you are saying, but the Democratic party is a huge fucking money making machine! I don't think they will be as huge this time around since they took every penny the communists and hippies had. We are back to a square fight, Republicans vs Democrats (without hippies and commies).

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: burn!
Obama on Congress:

"This Congress, they are accustomed to doing nothing, and they’re comfortable with doing nothing, and they keep on doing nothing,”

The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

That graph says "Votes". Not "Votes to take action" or "Bills passed". The graphic might portray 711 NAY votes that block action. Incomplete information at best, intentionally deceptive at worst.

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: burn!
Obama on Congress:

"This Congress, they are accustomed to doing nothing, and they’re comfortable with doing nothing, and they keep on doing nothing,”

The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

That graph says "Votes". Not "Votes to take action" or "Bills passed". The graphic might portray 711 NAY votes that block action. Incomplete information at best, intentionally deceptive at worst.

I figured the chart showed that 711 items came up for vote. What difference does it make which way the vote went? I don't think that was his point.

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

That's because Harry Reid isn't a serious leader.

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

That's because Harry Reid isn't a serious leader.

Fuck you Pillbug!

Harry is a very serious leader! That is the mistake we often make with the enemy! Don't go SOFT!

Originally posted by: Pillbug

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor
The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

That's because Harry Reid isn't a serious leader.

What would Mitch do differently?

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93

Originally posted by: -EB- Bluedoctor

Originally posted by: burn!
Obama on Congress:

"This Congress, they are accustomed to doing nothing, and they’re comfortable with doing nothing, and they keep on doing nothing,”

The bills being passed in the House are not often the sort of bills that the Senate leadership would seriously consider.

That graph says "Votes". Not "Votes to take action" or "Bills passed". The graphic might portray 711 NAY votes that block action. Incomplete information at best, intentionally deceptive at worst.

Are you kidding?

You think it's plausible that the entire Senate has collectively cast 137 Votes through Sept. 15th? Only a retard could misinterpret that graph. It doesn't even make sense to compare the amount of individual votes made in the house and senate considering the amount of people
Post edited by burn! at 9/30/2011 3:43:49 PM

Republicans are a party of action. They voted in a super majority to repeal Glass Stegal for instance which was a major catalyst in the financial meltdown. Then after taking the walls down and allowing investment banks to plunder recklessley, when the greater fool theory ran out of fools and they couldn't sell any more garbage mortgage default swaps, Republican congress again took action and voted for a major welfare program to bail them out. Since the Republican congress had spent so much money (again taking action - a do something congress) running up the deficit since 9/11, when the financial crisis hit we were already in debt up to our eyes.


But the Democratic President signed the repeal of Glass Stegal, the Democratic majority congress continued the bail out, the new Democratic President not only continued the wars but got us into some new wars, and the Tea Party / Republican congress that finally got back control has still not re-instated Glass Stegal, has not prosecuted any of the major financial firms for their part in the financial collapse, has not passed a single bill to help the economy, has allowed MORE major bank and investment house mergers.


So when you tell me the Republicans are the answer I ask "to what'? To the problem they caused? If you tell me the Dems are the answer I ask "to what"? To the problems they continued? Tea Party? No new taxes and no new solutions either unless voting down "death pannels" while cheering for letting people with no health care die is a solution.


Different sides of the same coin. Keep saying its Obama's fault if it makes you feel good.

Originally posted by: burn!

You think it's plausible that the entire Senate has collectively cast 137 Votes through Sept. 15th? Only a retard could misinterpret that graph. It doesn't even make sense to compare the amount of individual votes made in the house and senate considering the senate only has 50 people.

You decided to intentionally misunderstand and further the point with yelling "retarded". Well played intellectual point.

The graph says "Recorded votes", it does not say voting for action, voting for a solution. It does not say if these votes where for one bill or one hundred bills.

So if the Republicans voted 711 times to block every bill that would take action would that make them a do something or a do nothing congress? If they voted 711 time to do something idiotic (like repeal Glass Stegal - oops they already did), is that a do something or do nothing? Or are they trying to say voting in and of itself is the only criteria?


It is incomplete at BEST, but more likely it is intentionally deceptive.

It's not Obama's fault, it's the people that put him there. They are to blame for putting a dumb shit into the Oval office when we could least afford it. As you outlined in your post, we needed an intelligent man to help combat the problem created by past politicians. I'm not saying McCain was the answer, but Obama surely was not the answer either. It sure did make a lot of Americans feel good about getting out to vote for a black man. Woohoo, we made history! Now we are going into the bin of history!

I don't blame anybody but the voting public! We are a bunch of dumb fucks! We deserve what we get! SHIT!

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Republicans are a party of action. They voted in a super majority to repeal Glass Stegal for instance which was a major catalyst in the financial meltdown. Then after taking the walls down and allowing investment banks to plunder recklessley, when the greater fool theory ran out of fools and they couldn't sell any more garbage mortgage default swaps, Republican congress again took action and voted for a major welfare program to bail them out. Since the Republican congress had spent so much money (again taking action - a do something congress) running up the deficit since 9/11, when the financial crisis hit we were already in debt up to our eyes.


But the Democratic President signed the repeal of Glass Stegal, the Democratic majority congress continued the bail out, the new Democratic President not only continued the wars but got us into some new wars, and the Tea Party / Republican congress that finally got back control has still not re-instated Glass Stegal, has not prosecuted any of the major financial firms for their part in the financial collapse, has not passed a single bill to help the economy, has allowed MORE major bank and investment house mergers.


So when you tell me the Republicans are the answer I ask "to what'? To the problem they caused? If you tell me the Dems are the answer I ask "to what"? To the problems they continued? Tea Party? No new taxes and no new solutions either unless voting down "death pannels" while cheering for letting people with no health care die is a solution.


Different sides of the same coin. Keep saying its Obama's fault if it makes you feel good.

A lot of truth in that......

Republicans forced through and created most of the evils....

Democrats get a chance to change things and only continue along the very same path of lunacy and corruption......

That's why I think scaling back the rate of insanity and the powers that the Federal Government has is about our only real solution left anymore. We need to take back some of the influence and decision making that they have such a track record of flagrantly abusing.

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Republicans are a party of action. They voted in a super majority to repeal Glass Stegal for instance which was a major catalyst in the financial meltdown.

Sooooo wrong.



Post edited by Pillbug at 9/30/2011 4:10:37 PM

The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999.

The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate[15] and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.[16]

The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[17]

Originally posted by: Bigguns 93

The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999.

The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate[15] and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.[16]

The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[17]

Yeah, and it had bi-partisan support in the House.

And that was a pure bullshit deal because the Dems went along with it in the house so they could get their loosened restrictions so that more people who shouldn't get loans could.

So, the Dems were just as responsible for that as the Republicans. They sold their souls to the devil in order to once again hand out shit to their constituents in an effort to make them think they were better off.

Now look at them...

Great defense Bigguns... great defense.