Underground nuclear facility found?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html

According to some ppl on the boards, FOX is a "gov't run" news agency, so this story is probably propaganda. /sarcasm

From the above link:"While they aren't prepared to say the discovery is the smoking gun proving Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction, Fox News confirmed that officials are very interested in the labyrinth of labs and warehouses unearthed by U.S. forces. "

It's either a nuclear lab, or it isn't, I'm sure we'll find out one way or the other.

Of course- this local lefty has always said that it's a sure thing that Saddam has/had banned weapons.....in fact- I don't think anyone ever denied that here on this board.....



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This is scary though. That much radioactive material could have been used for dirty bombs in the least. Right there is enough reason we invaded to begin with

"Could have been"

That's the operative phrase there. First Bush says we need to invade because of the al-queda link, which never materialized, then it was because of WMD, which UN inspectors would have found anyways, but now it's to liberate the Iraqi people. Of course, 3 months down the road, they will be rioting for us to leave.


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No, Cimat, no one has denied it...but the UN has failed to find something of this importance in the 12+ years following Gulf War I. That simply means you couldn't have trusted UN inspections to do the job. If the Iraqis don't want something found (i.e. an underground facility packed full of radioactive crap) then it won't be found. We even TOLD the UN to search this location before, and they missed it. No, the UN inspections weren't working, and this is proof. 12 _years_ and stuff like this is still out there. You can't call that a success for the UN.

Originally posted by: cimat1984

From the above link:"While they aren't prepared to say the discovery is the smoking gun proving Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction, Fox News confirmed that officials are very interested in the labyrinth of labs and warehouses unearthed by U.S. forces. "

It's either a nuclear lab, or it isn't, I'm sure we'll find out one way or the other.

Of course- this local lefty has always said that it's a sure thing that Saddam has/had banned weapons.....in fact- I don't think anyone ever denied that here on this board.....

i have never once heard bush say we need to invade iraq due to al queda ties alone.

Originally posted by: -Huey-

No, Cimat, no one has denied it...but the UN has failed to find something of this importance in the 12+ years following Gulf War I. That simply means you couldn't have trusted UN inspections to do the job. If the Iraqis don't want something found (i.e. an underground facility packed full of radioactive crap) then it won't be found. We even TOLD the UN to search this location before, and they missed it. No, the UN inspections weren't working, and this is proof. 12 _years_ and stuff like this is still out there. You can't call that a success for the UN.

Originally posted by: cimat1984

From the above link:"While they aren't prepared to say the discovery is the smoking gun proving Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction, Fox News confirmed that officials are very interested in the labyrinth of labs and warehouses unearthed by U.S. forces. "

It's either a nuclear lab, or it isn't, I'm sure we'll find out one way or the other.

Of course- this local lefty has always said that it's a sure thing that Saddam has/had banned weapons.....in fact- I don't think anyone ever denied that here on this board.....

Couldn't find any thing? That's laughable- reference the link: http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Achievements/achievements.html

48 operational long-range missiles

- 14 conventional missile warheads

- 6 operational mobile launchers

- 28 operational fixed launch pads

- 32 fixed launch pads (under construction)

- 30 missile chemical warheads

- other missile support equipment and materials

- supervision of the destruction of a variety of assembled and non-

assembled "super-gun" components



CHEMICAL AREA:

- 38,537 filled and empty chemical munitions

- 690 tonnes of chemical weapons agent

- more than 3,000 tonnes of precursors chemicals

- 426 pieces of chemical weapons production equipment

- 91 pieces of related analytical instruments



BIOLOGICAL AREA:

- the entire Al-Hakam, the main biological weapons production facility

- a variety of biological weapons production equipment and materials



******************************

Inspections DO work- the proof is listed above. Bush's constant bleating that they don't work is just pure, unadulterated bullshit. Bush is a liar.






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well see how well inspections didnt work, the systems looks good on paper but is majorly flawed in real life.
since the host country did everything it possibly could to hamper the inspectors their presense effect was minimal. for them to work the host country needs to agree and abide by them which iraq did not

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mobile bio labs are being reported to have been found in Baghdad
Post edited by Juzfugen at 4/10/2003 3:08:06 PM

Originally posted by: -Huey-

No, Cimat, no one has denied it...but the UN has failed to find something of this importance in the 12+ years following Gulf War I. That simply means you couldn't have trusted UN inspections to do the job. If the Iraqis don't want something found (i.e. an underground facility packed full of radioactive crap) then it won't be found. We even TOLD the UN to search this location before, and they missed it. No, the UN inspections weren't working, and this is proof. 12 _years_ and stuff like this is still out there. You can't call that a success for the UN.

Originally posted by: cimat1984

From the above link:"While they aren't prepared to say the discovery is the smoking gun proving Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction, Fox News confirmed that officials are very interested in the labyrinth of labs and warehouses unearthed by U.S. forces. "

It's either a nuclear lab, or it isn't, I'm sure we'll find out one way or the other.

Of course- this local lefty has always said that it's a sure thing that Saddam has/had banned weapons.....in fact- I don't think anyone ever denied that here on this board.....

EXACTLY. THE UN IS WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

cimat. grow up. you liberals were wrong. live with it.

Yes- they did everything they could- and we still found and destroyed a huge amount from 1991-1998.

Then, under UN1441, the inspectors go back in under *an even stronger mandate*, and Bush declares the inspections a failure after they have only barely begun- even though the inpsectors reported good cooperation from the Iraqi's.


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Cimat doesn't deny his man tendencies tho

i see ya eyeballing me over there mistar

ahhh but cimat thats where you are wrong, bush didnt claim the inspections failed he claimed iraq failed to obey the resolution, big difference there because iraq did fail to comply

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Yes- they did everything they could- and we still found and destroyed a huge amount from 1991-1998.

Then, under UN1441, the inspectors go back in under *an even stronger mandate*, and Bush declares the inspections a failure after they have only barely begun- even though the inpsectors reported good cooperation from the Iraqi's.

LMAO. They had 6000 inspectors. They couldnt accoutn for thousands upon thousands upon thousands of things. You list is bogus. It doesnt show what they knew was there and couldnt find. And we also now know that FRance, Russia and Germany were breaking the UN resolutions and sending stuff.

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

cimat. grow up. you liberals were wrong. live with it.

no.
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Originally posted by: Juzfugen

ahhh but cimat thats where you are wrong, bush didnt claim the inspections failed he claimed iraq failed to obey the resolution, big difference there because iraq did fail to comply

AMEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long do you give a butchering madman??? He had 13 years to comply and didnt. Now the worms eating his corpse will be his only solace.

Originally posted by: Juzfugen

ahhh but cimat thats where you are wrong, bush didnt claim the inspections failed he claimed iraq failed to obey the resolution, big difference there because iraq did fail to comply

They weren't his inspections to declare success or failure in the first place. UN>Bush.

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Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

cimat. grow up. you liberals were wrong. live with it.

no.

YES you were

UN < dogshit
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 4/10/2003 3:17:04 PM

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: Juzfugen

ahhh but cimat thats where you are wrong, bush didnt claim the inspections failed he claimed iraq failed to obey the resolution, big difference there because iraq did fail to comply

AMEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long do you give a butchering madman??? He had 13 years to comply and didnt. Now the worms eating his corpse will be his only solace.

We contain dicators all over the world- why should he be any different. Bush is doing this for oil.

Remember, Saddam was Reagans butt-buddy during the 1980's, so it was ok that he was a poison gas using madman then.

Bush Sr and Jr don't give a rats ass about saddam's human rights record....


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Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: Juzfugen

ahhh but cimat thats where you are wrong, bush didnt claim the inspections failed he claimed iraq failed to obey the resolution, big difference there because iraq did fail to comply

AMEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long do you give a butchering madman??? He had 13 years to comply and didnt. Now the worms eating his corpse will be his only solace.

We contain dicators all over the world- why should he be any different. Bush is doing this for oil.

Remember, Saddam was Reagans butt-buddy during the 1980's, so it was ok that he was a poison gas using madman then.

Bush Sr and Jr don't give a rats ass about saddam's human rights record....

LMAO.Keep me laughing Cimat. Thats why your party is a joke. You have NO clue about anything going on. You are a typical liberal cynic. I cant wait tillwe pull our troops out and prove you liberals wrong again.

This is so damn obnoxious now...

Faken

Obnoxious is the cynics who keep getting proved wrong daily. How about they put trust in our own country instead of trashing it like some here

......eeek a veiled personal attack.


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Not veiled at all. If the shoe fits, wear it

What's obnoxious is that every fukin war realted thread turns into a Cimat vs Snake debate. Go measure your dicks in Netmeeting :/

Faken

LOL. I just cant stand ignorance and the liberal party is king of spewing it.

You're right Faken. Snake gets me all riled up. I will do better in the future.


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I still appreciate CIMATS view on things, no matter how distorted.

Dammit snake, just when I think you're a total ba$tard, you go and say something sweet like that

HUGGIES FOR SNAKE!


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I can't help but chuckle imagining you two standing in front of a webcam with your pants around your ankles and tape measure in hand Be nice guys, we're here to have fun... we have enough BS to deal with in the world outside the computer.

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mmmmm....tape measure........


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Originally posted by: cimat1984
We contain dicators all over the world- why should he be any different. Bush is doing this for oil.

OMG thats such an idiotic statement that keeps getting repeated over and over , you sound like a broken record. first let me explain some very simple economics to you, why does the USA get them ajority of its oil from this side of the planet??? ITS CHEAPER - less shipping time means less costs, that is why the middle east is not our primary source of oil and never will be. This bullshit war for oil campaign is unmerrited and substantiated, its the liberal tree huggers cry to arms based on biased opinions and absolutly NO facts. you guys need to get off your partisan politics and face facts that what we are doing is the right thing no matter who controls the whitehouse
Post edited by Juzfugen at 4/10/2003 3:47:58 PM

Juz-chill This thread is now about how much I love snake

huggies


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well, inspections were proven to work and we went anyway and Im quite sure it wasnt for liberation of a ppl. thats just the candy coating to make it much more palpable to the fickle american public. the administration's political adgenda is the true reason we went there. not sure if it was for oil but I wouldnt be surprised if that were true
Post edited by DuKs0ss at 4/10/2003 4:02:38 PM

agreed. I try to respect everyones views. I swear a lot in real life so dont take my language as a personal attack I just use it as a descriptor.

No problem

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ya and i bet if this happened under clinton or any other democrat there would be no suspicions or alterier motives behind it. and no cimat i wont chill , i really am sick of you spurting this war for oil crap. i respect you as a person for standing up for what you beleive in but there is no proof that we are doing this for oil, as i pointed out above it doesnt make sence economically for our country and i honestly cant believe you think bush would US soldiers to war for personal gain
Post edited by Juzfugen at 4/10/2003 4:00:00 PM

Originally posted by: Juzfugen

ya and i bet if this happened under clinton or any other democrat there would be no suspicions or alterier motives behind it. and no cimat i wont chill , i really am sick of you spurting this war for oil crap. i respect you as a person for standing up for what you beleive in but there is no proof that we are doing this for oil, as i pointed out above it doesnt make sence economically for our country and i honestly cant believe you think bush would US soldiers to war for personal gain

I personally think that its the start of american reform in the middle east. I believe democracy is great but its not our responsibility or perogrative to force it on them. especially with bombs. that said, its looking like at least a marginal amount of iraqi ppl are happy to be free of the oppressive regime. hopefully that number will grow.

question tho, if we are liberating the mid east, why are we not talking about liberating israel from their violent, colonizing, imperialistic govt. hmmm....