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this is kind of interesting

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44516027/ns/us_news-life/#.TnCthk_VRSc

"Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks
US government wants second-largest Indian tribe to recognize as citizens 2,800 descendants of slaves that were held by Cherokees

OKLAHOMA CITY — The nation's second-largest Indian tribe said on Tuesday that it would not be dictated to by the U.S. government over its move to banish 2,800 African Americans from its citizenship rolls.

"The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA," Joe Crittenden, the tribe's acting principal chief, said in a statement responding to the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Crittenden, who leads the tribe until a new principal chief is elected, went on to complain about unnamed congressmen meddling in the tribe's self-governance.

The reaction follows a letter the tribe received on Monday from BIA Assistant Secretary Larry Echo Hawk, who warned that the results of the September 24 Cherokee election for principal chief will not be recognized by the U.S. government if the ousted members, known to some as "Cherokee Freedmen," are not allowed to vote.

The dispute stems from the fact that some wealthy Cherokee owned black slaves who worked on their plantations in the South. By the 1830s, most of the tribe was forced to relocate to present-day Oklahoma, and many took their slaves with them. The so-called Freedmen are descendants of those slaves.

After the Civil War, in which the Cherokee fought for the South, a treaty was signed in 1866 guaranteeing tribal citizenship for the freed slaves.

The U.S. government said that the 1866 treaty between the Cherokee tribe and the U.S. government guaranteed that the slaves were tribal citizens, whether or not they had a Cherokee blood relation. . . " more at the link

racists north american indians . . .

some of the comments are pretty good too
read that this morning on TW.

say good bye to federal perks?
What's interesting is the Feds actually don't know that Native Americans don't have to listen to a god damn thing the Feds say.

Originally posted by: Cocytus
What's interesting is the Feds actually don't know that Native Americans don't have to listen to a god damn thing the Feds say.



well they do if they want the free cash I think.
Originally posted by: Killet
Originally posted by: Cocytus
What's interesting is the Feds actually don't know that Native Americans don't have to listen to a god damn thing the Feds say.



well they do if they want the free cash I think.


Exactly. They need the money for their fire water..
Originally posted by: Irrenarzt
Originally posted by: Killet
Originally posted by: Cocytus
What's interesting is the Feds actually don't know that Native Americans don't have to listen to a god damn thing the Feds say.



well they do if they want the free cash I think.


Exactly. They need the money for their fire water..


Do Native Americans receive any special rights or benefits from the U.S. government?

Contrary to popular belief, Indians do not receive payments from the federal government simply because they have Indian blood. Funds distributed to a person of Indian descent may represent mineral lease income on property that is held in trust by the United States or compensation for lands taken in connection with governmental projects. Some Indian tribes receive benefits from the federal government in fulfillment of treaty obligations or for the extraction of tribal natural resources — a percentage of which may be distributed as per capita among the tribe's membership.

What does all this mean?

Tribes deserve to be sovereign entities imbued with the authority of self-determination on their own land. For a healthy government-to-government relationship to exist the U.S. government needs to respect the binding agreements spelled out in their own treaties. All Native Americans should demand nothing less than what the U.S. government has promised them. That is why we at NARF, having sworn to preserve and protect the rights of all Native Peoples, take the battles to the courts.

http://www.narf.org/pubs/misc/faqs.html


They don't get money from the Feds, they pay taxes, they have to serve in the military. Generally they determine what happens on their land.

Notice how fast the Feds tried to exert their authority! Maybe we should get some freedmen going through the TSA, see if that puts a stop to the groping.
They are a sovereign nation who pays tribute to another sovereign nation. Vassal states, baby! Or concentration camps. Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.

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"I supported President Lincoln. I believed his war policy would be the only way to save the country, but I see my mistake. I visited Washington a few weeks ago, and I saw the corruption of the present administration - and so long as Abraham Lincoln and his Cabinet are in power, so long will war continue. And for what? For the preservation of the Constitution and the Union? No, but for the sake of politicians and government contractors." J.P. Morgan, American financier and banker, 1864
This one never gets old:



On topic, if they signed a treaty stating that those individuals would be recognized as citizens then the govt may have a point.


Post edited by Allen at 9/14/2011 9:59:08 PM
Originally posted by: Allen
This one never gets old:





Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
They are a sovereign nation who pays tribute to another sovereign nation. Vassal states, baby! Or concentration camps. Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.


in the end, you are really just itching to become a serf to a corporate feudal overlord. you really are what you hate btw. it is quite amusing to watch you flail about.
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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
They are a sovereign nation who pays tribute to another sovereign nation. Vassal states, baby! Or concentration camps. Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.


in the end, you are really just itching to become a serf to a corporate feudal overlord. you really are what you hate btw. it is quite amusing to watch you flail about.


Like we aren't now?

Do you always prostrate towards Washington D.C. twice a day, or are you more of a government secularist and just celebrate your faith on Sundays and April 15th?

I can just imagine it now, there you are, with your cum stained W-4, frapping away just thinking about how you can continue to blindly and unquestionably serve and uphold your statist masters.

You really are from Greece.....I can only imagine that most of you squirted Poo de Florou dreaming about massively expensive big government. No wonder your shit hole country has even Mexico laughing at you now.....

I just hope you and your ilk don't do the same thing here.
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
They are a sovereign nation who pays tribute to another sovereign nation. Vassal states, baby! Or concentration camps. Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.


in the end, you are really just itching to become a serf to a corporate feudal overlord. you really are what you hate btw. it is quite amusing to watch you flail about.


Like we aren't now?

Do you always prostrate towards Washington D.C. twice a day, or are you more of a government secularist and just celebrate your faith on Sundays and April 15th?

I can just imagine it now, there you are, with your cum stained W-4, frapping away just thinking about how you can continue to blindly and unquestionably serve and uphold your statist masters.

You really are from Greece.....I can only imagine that most of you squirted Poo de Florou dreaming about massively expensive big government. No wonder your shit hole country has even Mexico laughing at you now.....

I just hope you and your ilk don't do the same thing here.


i'm actually not from greece, and neither is my family. not that it matters.

turns out you are still an idiot. that is one reliability. thanks for being a steadfast lighthouse of idiocy. you are awesome.

i also probably have more entrepreneurship in my left pinky than you have in your entire libertarian quarterback body working it's gubmt job.
Post edited by Pixël at 9/14/2011 11:09:13 PM

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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
They are a sovereign nation who pays tribute to another sovereign nation. Vassal states, baby! Or concentration camps. Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.


in the end, you are really just itching to become a serf to a corporate feudal overlord. you really are what you hate btw. it is quite amusing to watch you flail about.


Like we aren't now?

Do you always prostrate towards Washington D.C. twice a day, or are you more of a government secularist and just celebrate your faith on Sundays and April 15th?

I can just imagine it now, there you are, with your cum stained W-4, frapping away just thinking about how you can continue to blindly and unquestionably serve and uphold your statist masters.

You really are from Greece.....I can only imagine that most of you squirted Poo de Florou dreaming about massively expensive big government. No wonder your shit hole country has even Mexico laughing at you now.....

I just hope you and your ilk don't do the same thing here.


i'm actually not from greece, and neither is my family. not that it matters.

turns out you are still an idiot. that is one reliability. thanks for being a steadfast lighthouse of idiocy. you are
awesome.


Struck a nerve, did I? It's not my fault you are like a rat deserting ship that you and your statist mischief just chewed the bottom out of.

Speaking of seeing the guiding light, your system works great until you run out of other peoples money to spend.

Just an FYI...

Originally posted by: Pixël

i also probably have more entrepreneurship in my left pinky than you have in your entire libertarian quarterback body working it's gubmt job.


And you'd have to...because no one in their right mind would actually hire you!!

Start bragging when you actually produce a dollar on your own FFS....At this point all I can give you credit for is not accepting DOE loans to entirely fund your endeavor yet.

Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
They are a sovereign nation who pays tribute to another sovereign nation. Vassal states, baby! Or concentration camps. Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.


in the end, you are really just itching to become a serf to a corporate feudal overlord. you really are what you hate btw. it is quite amusing to watch you flail about.


Like we aren't now?

Do you always prostrate towards Washington D.C. twice a day, or are you more of a government secularist and just celebrate your faith on Sundays and April 15th?

I can just imagine it now, there you are, with your cum stained W-4, frapping away just thinking about how you can continue to blindly and unquestionably serve and uphold your statist masters.

You really are from Greece.....I can only imagine that most of you squirted Poo de Florou dreaming about massively expensive big government. No wonder your shit hole country has even Mexico laughing at you now.....

I just hope you and your ilk don't do the same thing here.


i'm actually not from greece, and neither is my family. not that it matters.

turns out you are still an idiot. that is one reliability. thanks for being a steadfast lighthouse of idiocy. you are
awesome.


Struck a nerve, did I? It's not my fault you are like a rat deserting ship that you and your statist mischief just chewed the bottom out of.

Speaking of seeing the guiding light, your system works great until you run out of other peoples money to spend.

Just an FYI...



you really are a dumb fuck. par for the course for armchair libertarians with gubmt jobs. i mean like dumb. if i was from greece i'd have no issues acknowledging it, because in reality land, such a broad brush is just a stupid generalization.

mockery is american! he is from the very same system he demeans as an utter failure, therefore he is a fucking idiot.

regardless, as usual you have no idea what you are talking about and as i just proved, even if you did, you still be a fucking moron.

quick question, how hard do you have to try to be always proven to be so utterly stupid?
Post edited by Pixël at 9/14/2011 11:18:31 PM

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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

btw while you preach from your gubmt job armchair, i have more entrepeneurship and private industry drive in my liberal pinky fingertip as you have in all ten of your quasi-libertarian typing fingers.

now go collect that check that all of our taxes pay for and keep on living your dream.


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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: Pixël

you really are a dumb fuck. par for the course for armchair libertarians with gubmt jobs. i mean like dumb. if i was from greece i'd have no issues acknowledging it, because in reality land, such a broad brush is just a stupid generalization.


So you sure you still want to raise taxes to help fund and support even more of us?

Sounds to me like you just talked yourself out of your own position.

Originally posted by: Pixël
mockery is american! he is from the very same system he demeans as an utter failure, therefore he is a fucking idiot.


OMG...I'm not an American. I was born in Mexico....now coddle my balls, lick my taint, send me to college, and give me some fucking Social Security already!

Riddle me this....does being a member of losing team also mean that you are a loser? That you aren't individually doing your part? Of course you don't see things this way, because you only see blocks.... collectivism.....and colored bubbles where some type of deductive reasoning should be taking place inside your head.

News flash...we aint ants, dipshit!

regardless, as usual you have no idea what you are talking about and as i just proved, even if you did, you still be a fucking moron.


Circular proof....sweet!!! Repeating the same mindless shit in repetition is now somehow conclusive proof in your mind.

You really have started your own religion....

I'm just sorry that I don't subscribe to your blind faith.

quick question, how hard do you have to try to be always proven to be so utterly stupid?


Pretty hard apparently......It's not easy being cheesy.



But it is easy handing you your imbecilic ass every night. You would think I would eventually get sick of picking on the handicapped.
Post edited by Mockery at 9/14/2011 11:42:18 PM
Originally posted by: Pixël
btw while you preach from your gubmt job armchair, i have more entrepeneurship and private industry drive in my liberal pinky fingertip as you have in all ten of your quasi-libertarian typing fingers.

now go collect that check that all of our taxes pay for and keep on living your dream.



Again, you have to start your own business. The only thing anyone else would hire you for is to collect mental disability.....or be a restraint for a crash test dummy.

It's cool, you just keep congratulating yourself on accomplishments that YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FUCKING MADE YET!!!

In the meantime....I'll be sure to send some IRS UAV drones over to your business to empty out your tills, fuck you squarely in the asshole, while you not only beg us for more, but smile and say "thank you."

After all....it's exactly what you crave.
Post edited by Mockery at 9/14/2011 11:39:02 PM
Originally posted by: Cocytus



They don't get money from the Feds, they pay taxes, they have to serve in the military.


What, they have compulsory military service?
Originally posted by: Mockery

OMG...I'm not an American. I was born in Mexico...


you're mexican?

i'm sorry. the libertarians hate you. run and hide, preferrably in some foliage close to the color tan.

listen, i got some teflon pans to sell you, on the cheap brother. they ain't good at stopping braised pork from stickin to 'em but they just may stop a libertarian bullet from pokin yer wetback jersey right in the arse.
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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: Pixël
Originally posted by: Mockery

OMG...I'm not an American. I was born in Mexico...


you're mexican?

i'm sorry. the libertarians hate you. run and hide, preferrably in some foliage close to the color tan.

listen, i got some teflon pans to sell you, on the cheap brother. they ain't good at stopping braised pork from stickin to 'em but they just may stop a libertarian bullet from pokin yer wetback jersey right in the arse.




You know I just love messing with you.

You guys have your menu ideas all assembled up already?

I could sure go for some baklava and lamb gyros right now.

Food is a tough industry, I really do wish you the best of luck. If you can make that a success you can do anything in my mind. Despite all the shit I give you, I'm actually proud of you for doing your own thing and not relying on the government (in some measurable form) to create a living.

And you know the wealth generation thing I'm always harping about? Well, you will be doing exactly that when this is all said and done. In other words, you will be able to say that you aren't part of the problem. I honestly wish I could do the same with my job.
A real libertarian doesn't hate anyone. They hate ideas, but they also respect people's right to have those hated ideas.

You collectivists, on the other hand, hate everything and everyone that doesn't look just like you.

_________________
"I supported President Lincoln. I believed his war policy would be the only way to save the country, but I see my mistake. I visited Washington a few weeks ago, and I saw the corruption of the present administration - and so long as Abraham Lincoln and his Cabinet are in power, so long will war continue. And for what? For the preservation of the Constitution and the Union? No, but for the sake of politicians and government contractors." J.P. Morgan, American financier and banker, 1864
Also, let's see how the big movers and shakers from your ideology stack up against those from ours over history:

Team Blouses

Thomas Jefferson
Known Body Count: 0

Thomas Paine
Known Body Count: 0

Voltaire
Known Body Count: 0

John Locke
Known Body Count: 0

Jesus Christ
Known Body Count: -3

Total Team Blouses Body Count: -3

Team Shirts

Adolf Hitler
Known Body Count: 20 million

Joseph Stalin
Known Body Count: 20-40 million

Mao Zedong
Known Body Count: 80-100 million

Abraham Lincoln
Known Body Count: 600-650 thousand

Emperor Palpatine
Known Body Count: Untold trillions, including the entire planet of Alderaan.

Total Team Shirts Body Count: Trillions (actually 120.5 millon to 160.5 million, and that's just within 100 years!)



Post edited by Nathan Bedford Forrest at 9/15/2011 9:11:07 AM

_________________
"I supported President Lincoln. I believed his war policy would be the only way to save the country, but I see my mistake. I visited Washington a few weeks ago, and I saw the corruption of the present administration - and so long as Abraham Lincoln and his Cabinet are in power, so long will war continue. And for what? For the preservation of the Constitution and the Union? No, but for the sake of politicians and government contractors." J.P. Morgan, American financier and banker, 1864
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Also, let's see how the big movers and shakers from your ideology stack up against those from ours over history:

Team Blouses

Thomas Jefferson
Known Body Count: 0

Thomas Paine
Known Body Count: 0

Voltaire
Known Body Count: 0

John Locke
Known Body Count: 0

Jesus Christ
Known Body Count: -3

...


You can have Jefferson. The other four were hard core liberals that modern libertarians would hate.
Originally posted by: enissRT
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Also, let's see how the big movers and shakers from your ideology stack up against those from ours over history:

Team Blouses

Thomas Jefferson
Known Body Count: 0

Thomas Paine
Known Body Count: 0

Voltaire
Known Body Count: 0

John Locke
Known Body Count: 0

Jesus Christ
Known Body Count: -3

...


You can have Jefferson. The other four were hard core liberals that modern libertarians would hate.


That's not accurate with any of the libertarians that I know. They could easily be traded out for Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, F. A. Hayak, and Ayn Rand (or tons of others) and the point would still stand.

_________________
"I supported President Lincoln. I believed his war policy would be the only way to save the country, but I see my mistake. I visited Washington a few weeks ago, and I saw the corruption of the present administration - and so long as Abraham Lincoln and his Cabinet are in power, so long will war continue. And for what? For the preservation of the Constitution and the Union? No, but for the sake of politicians and government contractors." J.P. Morgan, American financier and banker, 1864
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest


Emperor Palpatine
Known Body Count: Untold trillions, including the entire planet of Alderaan.



always a star wars reference.

+rep for the Dave Chapelle pic. Thats one funny son of a bitch. Damn shame he didnt continue his show.
Originally posted by: enissRT
Originally posted by: Nathan Bedford Forrest
Also, let's see how the big movers and shakers from your ideology stack up against those from ours over history:

Team Blouses

Thomas Jefferson
Known Body Count: 0

Thomas Paine
Known Body Count: 0

Voltaire
Known Body Count: 0

John Locke
Known Body Count: 0

Jesus Christ
Known Body Count: -3

...


You can have Jefferson. The other four were hard core liberals that modern libertarians would hate.




Get back to us when you re-enter reality.
I'm a card carrying cherokee. The dufus sitting next to me is also a cherokee. We like the the decendents of our slaves alright, but, in order to try to keep up with the US governemnt, we feel that breaking a treaty every now and then is the right thing to do.

We can start here and go down the list LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hopewell

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