Cheney, Halliburton and the Spoils of War.

http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=6288


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lol, don't most of your threads get locked? not saying this one should, but are you discriminated against by admins or are there other implications i need to be aware of...

capitalism > socialism

FYI: Halliburton has precluded themselves from any post war contracts except for the emergency services for fighting oil fires. Corpwatch should consider reading the WSJ.

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The crack-up is that Cheney sacrificed much to leave Halliburton and become VP but some people refuse to credit him for tht sacrifice. I'm guessing that the people who just have to believe that he is doing something sleazy behind the scenes have never, themselves, given up anything of real value to sacrifice for someone else. That's why they can't possibly believe other people doing it right in front of their eyes.

Just to add a little facts into the story (added to Polaris's point):

1) Halliburton gave Cheney early retirement which caused him to make $10-$20 million dollars from stock option which otherwise would not have vested. Cheney gave all that money to charity.

2) The "up to 1 million dollars per year" that Cheney is getting from Halliburton in deferred payment is money that Halliburton already owes Cheney for back pay and money they would be required to pay him no matter what. Cheney would get this money if Hallburton stock tanked or Halliburton stock skyrocketed.

There is no conflict of interest.

-pheirce

exactly. And to top it off. They are the best and most equiped company to get the job done. They employ thousands of US workers. Why should we let france or germany do this.

Funny I thought Boots and Coots were the ones putting out the oil fires. Same crew that did it in Kuwait.

Originally posted by: Polaris

Corpwatch should consider reading the WSJ.

that was beautiful

Originally posted by: Keeper-

Funny I thought Boots and Coots were the ones putting out the oil fires. Same crew that did it in Kuwait.

That's one of the reason KBR/Halliburton got the contract. They have an alliance with Boots&Coots (which is a company that bought the Red Adaire Group from Oil firefighting pioneer Red Adaire).

Very likely they wouldn't get locked if he wouldn't just spam the forum with links. Show a little intelligence with some commentary for shit's sakes.

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Originally posted by: pheirce

Originally posted by: Keeper-

Funny I thought Boots and Coots were the ones putting out the oil fires. Same crew that did it in Kuwait.

That's one of the reason KBR/Halliburton got the contract. They have an alliance with Boots&Coots (which is a company that bought the Red Adaire Group from Oil firefighting pioneer Red Adaire).

Thanx I didnt know that.

profit breeds greed.


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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

profit breeds greed.

Hrm. I would be more inclined to listen to your socialist ideals if you would kindly give everything you make over $25,000/year to charity. That would show me that you truly believe in your utopian view and I'd be more respectful of that view.

what makes you think im a socialist?Once again internet slander, its scary.

edit: so you believe the people who run the Gov are super human and they never lie?And 25k is chump change compared billions of dollars.
Post edited by KnightMare, Inc. at 4/10/2003 3:36:28 PM



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Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

profit breeds greed.

please move to another country and for gods sake DONT BREED

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

what makes you think im a socialist?Once again internet slander, its scary.

edit: so you believe the people who run the Gov are super human and they never lie?And 25k is chump change compared billions of dollars.

And so you believe the liberal morons dont lie either? Hypocrite liberalism at its best.

The fact that someone is against corp corruption does not make them a socialist. Typical conservative nonsense.

That kind of thinking is why Ken Lay is still running around spending money he stole from hard working tax paying Americans.

You are a total hypocrite. How about the corruption in the everything a liberal touches. Man you crack me up

i dont see where the argument agaisnt corperate corruption came up however i did see a statement about profit being a bad thing

Everything a liberal touches turns into corruption?

Kinda like getting into Yale with a C average and crappy SAT's, and then stating that affirmative action is unfair?

Kinda like your poor examples

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
>University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an
>F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career
>in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy
>industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with
>53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic reelection victory, he
>became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year
>terms on November 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998
>Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent
>of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of
>women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern
>Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first
>Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and
>Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone
>began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any
>other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to
>URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 4/10/2003 5:16:03 PM

I'm still waiting for your examples Snake.

Edit: Just saw your examples of Bush's record. Don't forget to add.....

Got into Yale with score that couldn't get you into Slippery Rock College
Cocaine habit
Joined the National Gaurd to avoid Vietnam
Went AWOL from National Gaurd, no charges filed of course.


Post edited by DestinoOscuro~LK~ at 4/10/2003 5:20:05 PM

Examples? What college did you go to?? I want to make sure you know how hard it is to get into Harvard and get an MBA. Obviously you dont

Originally posted by: KnightMare, Inc.

profit breeds greed.

What a prolific statement. How long did it take you to think that up?

Lemme try. Ignorance breeds generalization.

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

I want to make sure you know how hard it is to get into Harvard and get an MBA. Obviously you dont

Are you not paying attention? HE GOT INTO SCHOOLS WITHOUT EARNING IT!!!

This is well documented.

Originally posted by: DestinoOscuro~LK~

I'm still waiting for your examples Snake.

Edit: Just saw your examples of Bush's record. Don't forget to add.....

Got into Yale with score that couldn't get you into Slippery Rock College
Cocaine habit
Joined the National Gaurd to avoid Vietnam
Went AWOL from National Gaurd, no charges filed of course.

And most liberal represenatives are far worse. Lets get the list out. Bill Clinton, has 20 pages of crap we can make fun of. Jesse Jackson, LMAO. Al Sharpton, LMAO.

You know nothing in life. Have you done cocaine? Its a drug that actually increases the neuro trasmitters that you brain uses to think. Every single study shows while on it, you brain activity is heighted. Who the hell cares about what he did in college. I achieved a 3.7 and did every drug in the book. I run a company.

You seem to know very little about how life works. So sad
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 4/10/2003 5:26:49 PM

Originally posted by: DestinoOscuro~LK~

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

I want to make sure you know how hard it is to get into Harvard and get an MBA. Obviously you dont

Are you not paying attention? HE GOT INTO SCHOOLS WITHOUT EARNING IT!!!

This is well documented.

Then he is smarter than we are for doing it. Its called Business.

And I would love to see your so called documented proof??

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: DestinoOscuro~LK~

I'm still waiting for your examples Snake.

Edit: Just saw your examples of Bush's record. Don't forget to add.....

Got into Yale with score that couldn't get you into Slippery Rock College
Cocaine habit
Joined the National Gaurd to avoid Vietnam
Went AWOL from National Gaurd, no charges filed of course.

And most liberal represenatives are far worse. Lets get the list out. Bill Clinton, has 20 pages of crap we can make fun of. Jesse Jackson, LMAO. Al Sharpton, LMAO.

You know nothing in life. Have you done cocaine? Its a drug that actually increases the neuro trasmitters that you brain uses to think. Every single study shows while on it, you brain activity is heighted. Who the hell cares about what he did in college. I achieved a 3.7 and did every drug in the book. I run a company.

You seem to know very little about how life works. So sad

I've sold this shit for a while untill I learned what its realy all about, and if anyone truely knows what coke is all about they wouldnt do it. ever.

We all make mistakes, we all experiment (Unless you're a yes sir sheep who follows the herd), I dont think it should be held against him at this point in his life, specialy since there is so many other things to make fun of him for.

OK I have seen enough. Cocaine is good for you and he is smarter then US for being born into a rich family.

Conservative logic. Nice.

LOL! true.

Bush isnt the angle that most republicans wishfully think he is, he's a typical if not above averagely corrupted pollitition like almost all the other ones out there.

And you post indicates total lack of logic. I was making a point. You should respect him that he did it and didnt do it again. Some of the most successful CEO's and CFO, Board Chairman, etc did and and still do.

I again ask for your proof. You have none and better start backpeddling. I know what it takes to get an MBA. You cant buy one.

*sigh*

So much gullibility to respond to by you lefties.

Let me start with this:

You made the charge that Bush had a cocaine habit. Do you even know why you believe this? What evidence do you have of it?

-pheirce

P.S. Here's a hint: there is more evidence that Bill Clinton murder Vince Foster than there is that Bush had a cocaine habit. Do you belive that Bill clinton murdered Vince Foster? (for the record, I don't believe it).

-pheirce

GW is not the lowlife incompetant warmonger that left-wing politicals make him out to be. However, he is no Academic, Ethical, or Moral poster child by any means.

Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~

Originally posted by: DestinoOscuro~LK~

I'm still waiting for your examples Snake.

Edit: Just saw your examples of Bush's record. Don't forget to add.....

Got into Yale with score that couldn't get you into Slippery Rock College
Cocaine habit
Joined the National Gaurd to avoid Vietnam
Went AWOL from National Gaurd, no charges filed of course.

And most liberal represenatives are far worse. Lets get the list out. Bill Clinton, has 20 pages of crap we can make fun of. Jesse Jackson, LMAO. Al Sharpton, LMAO.

You know nothing in life. Have you done cocaine? Its a drug that actually increases the neuro trasmitters that you brain uses to think. Every single study shows while on it, you brain activity is heighted. Who the hell cares about what he did in college. I achieved a 3.7 and did every drug in the book. I run a company.

You seem to know very little about how life works. So sad

Oh? What seats in congress do Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson occupy?

Perhaps they same ones that Rush Limbaugh and Seah Hannity do?

Snake, the constant flaming of "idiot liberals" is getting very tiresome. You seem to find it very difficult to make a point without adding a little hate in there.

I cannot see how anyone can think that the far right conservatives OR the far left liberals are not colossaly full of pure, 100% grade-A bullshit. But this constant berating of people's intelligence is wearing thin.

I would think that someone as highly educated, experienced and savvy about world politics would be able to communicate in a more even, respectful tone, regardless of your level of disagreement.

Back to the point- Pheirce made a good point that Cheney has divorced himself from Haliburton. To do otherwise would be TOO much of a conflict to cover up.

However, I stll stand by the opinion that those that put those guys in office are going to reap huge benefits from this whole Iraq deal. It just doesnt smell right to me.

I also think there is ample justification for going into Iraq. No argument there. We DO have the right reasons for taking military actions. I think it is VERY convenient that an oil baron adminstration is involved. Maybe Im wrong, maybe Im not. I just think if Humanitarian concerns were such a big focus for us, we would be in the Sudan, East Timor, North Korea, Chechnya, etc. There is alot more to it guys.

Pheirce asked a good question. What do we care if someone makes money? I dont care. What I DO care about is the political connections and back room deals that happen to allow a select few (i.e. large campaign contributors) to get the contracts.

I dont see myself using the word idiot. Maybe you need glasses alphamale

If you cant handle the truth. Maybe you shouldnt read the posts? I dont sugar coat things and you and others are so worried about being politically correct. Sorry I dont fit your description of a sheep.

Any day you want to have a debate, bring it on. Have a nice day Alphamale
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 4/10/2003 6:39:15 PM

You seem to find it difficult to argue without petty insults. Speaking as a person who is middle-right your antics are wearing thin.

Im so glad I can get your approval or disapproval Respice. I mean, I could be wrong, but I think I have every right to post here. I have insulted no one and have respect dominus's wishes to be civil.

so if you are tired of my antics, go cry somewhere else. Have a great day too

Maybe I need glasses? Nice.

Poor attempt to provoke me.

So you didnt use the word idiot eh? I guess the term "sheep" is meant in the best way?

I dont suppose you remember using terms that are clearly aimed at insulting people with differing opinions either, do you?

Actually, I CAN handle the truth, In fact I am begging for some truth. However, all I see is alot of mudslinging being done and using a haughty "im better than you" attitude in an attempt the seem more credible.

You have misunderstood my meaning. I dont need things sugar coated, but civil would be nice. If you dont want to be civil, well, that is your perogative.

The last time we were involved in any discussion (along with a few others) you came up with a couple of doozies.. you said "Fuck you alphamale" (a particularly well thought out response, Kudos to you for your originality), and a short discourse on your physical prowess, e.g. something about being a wrestler. (paraphrased of course).

You have had moments of lucidity where you made some good points. Sadly, they were laced with yet more insults.

If you could keep the venom out of your posts you might find some better discussion.

However, If you continue to insult and attack me, I wont waste my time with you. All I am asking for is some civility. If being civil is "sugar coated", then I pity you.

I doubt however, even with your self described physical ability, that you would get far with that kind of attitude in the real "sugar coated" world.

YOU have a nice day too.