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Thomas Jefferson

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"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... such laws serve rather to encourage than to prevent homocides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." ('Commonplace Book' 1775)

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. "

"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!"

These are just a few quotes from this great man. The more I read about him the more I wish I lived in his times.

The first quote gives me goosebumps.

Discuss.
Post edited by Tarsier at 7/2/2008 2:32:36 PM
Heres my favorite quote, and it seems that it bears alarming pertinence to the state of affairs today.


"America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

She has seen that, probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama (Jerusalem), the European world, will be contests of inveterate power and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions, and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit. [America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice."

- John Quincy Adams, then Secretary of State, speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821

Not much to discuss, really. His ideas are even more relevant now than they were then. What is particularly striking is that somehow modern day Americans disconnect what we are from him -- to the point where we allow all sorts of actions that he not only would not have tolerated, but would have probably been met with severe repercussions.



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The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... such laws serve rather to encourage than to prevent homocides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. -- Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson


The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. -- Thomas Jefferson


When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. -- Thomas Jefferson



The federal government is our servant, not our master! -- Thomas Jefferson



The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. -- Thomas Jefferson

well saddam was a tryant and blood was paid!!
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
well saddam was a tryant and blood was paid!!

Yes, he was a tyrant. But was it our place to remove him from power?

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Originally posted by: Gortok
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
well saddam was a tryant and blood was paid!!

Yes, he was a tyrant. But was it our place to remove him from power?


If you think that US citizens are in a place to remove their goverment, you are more psycho than I first thought.

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why not the US? Who else?

who said something like "all it takes for evil to florish is for good men to do nothing"?


Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
Originally posted by: Gortok
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
well saddam was a tryant and blood was paid!!

Yes, he was a tyrant. But was it our place to remove him from power?


If you think that US citizens are in a place to remove their goverment, you are more psycho than I first thought.


And this is why you guys will always have a Queen "ruling" your country.

Your damn right we have the right to remove our government. The government does not own us, it serves us.
Post edited by Tarsier at 7/2/2008 3:59:40 PM
Originally posted by: Killet
why not the US? Who else?

who said something like "all it takes for evil to florish is for good men to do nothing"?




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Originally posted by: Killet
why not the US? Who else?

who said something like "all it takes for evil to florish is for good men to do nothing"?

Because it should be the Iraqi's removing him. We should be focusing on removing our own leaders from power.

The problem is, We can't agree as a country. so many are duped into bullshit. it would be a civil war, if we "refreshed the the tree of liberty", otherwise, I'd be game.
Originally posted by: Andural69
Originally posted by: Killet
why not the US? Who else?

who said something like "all it takes for evil to florish is for good men to do nothing"?

Because it should be the Iraqi's removing him. We should be focusing on removing our own leaders from power.

The problem is, We can't agree as a country. so many are duped into bullshit. it would be a civil war, if we "refreshed the the tree of liberty", otherwise, I'd be game.


What is sad is people think they have an easy solution to country our size and that rebellion is the answer. Sorry but that is certainly not the case.
Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
Originally posted by: Gortok
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
well saddam was a tryant and blood was paid!!

Yes, he was a tyrant. But was it our place to remove him from power?


If you think that US citizens are in a place to remove their goverment, you are more psycho than I first thought.


The Feds could never stop the American people. 300 million pissed of Americans armed with 400+ million guns, bring it on Feds, bring it on.


You British folk, however, I sincerely hope that you are getting the most enjoyment you can out of your slavery.
Post edited by -]45th[-*Devil at 7/2/2008 7:59:19 PM

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lol Devil your deranged. If you rebeled they kill you all, who said anything about guns.

A Biological virus could do everything they wanted, at a fraction of the cost.
Post edited by Miracle-Man at 7/2/2008 8:10:00 PM

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Originally posted by: Tarsier
Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
Originally posted by: Gortok
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
well saddam was a tryant and blood was paid!!

Yes, he was a tyrant. But was it our place to remove him from power?


If you think that US citizens are in a place to remove their goverment, you are more psycho than I first thought.


And this is why you guys will always have a Queen "ruling" your country.

Your damn right we have the right to remove our government. The government does not own us, it serves us.


I love to see you try, but hey you keep telling yourself that if it makes you fell better at night.
Post edited by Miracle-Man at 7/2/2008 8:23:54 PM

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Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
lol Devil your deranged. If you rebeled they kill you all, who said anything about guns.

A Biological virus could do everything they wanted, at a fraction of the cost.


Sounds like freedom....
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Originally posted by: -]45th[-*Devil
Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
lol Devil your deranged. If you rebeled they kill you all, who said anything about guns.

A Biological virus could do everything they wanted, at a fraction of the cost.


Sounds like freedom....


, False at that, Pure Comedy. I know you can't help its the way they programmed you at school.

. Free, We are all a slave to the system till we die.

Do you pay taxes? Or, are you too FREE!
Post edited by Miracle-Man at 7/2/2008 8:17:59 PM

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thomas jefferson was 1/32nd cherokee
Originally posted by: Briana Banks.pZ
thomas jefferson was 1/32nd cherokee


Wooowoooaaoaoaaoa, Kill the White man.

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Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
Originally posted by: -]45th[-*Devil
Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
lol Devil your deranged. If you rebeled they kill you all, who said anything about guns.

A Biological virus could do everything they wanted, at a fraction of the cost.


Sounds like freedom....


, False at that, Pure Comedy. I know you can't help its the way they programmed you at school.

. Free, We are all a slave to the system till we die.

Do you pay taxes? Or, are you too FREE!


I am quite the opposite of what they attempted to program me to be at school.

As far as taxes, so long as the Feds will come and shoot me if I don't pay and my fellow Americans will stand idle and watch, I will pay. But, I will also do what I can to fight that system and educate my fellow citizens about the criminal Federal Reserve.
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Originally posted by: -]45th[-*Devil
I am quite the opposite of what they attempted to program me to be at school.

As far as taxes, so long as the Feds will come and shoot me if I don't pay and my fellow Americans will stand idle and watch, I will pay. But, I will also do what I can to fight that system and educate my fellow citizens about the criminal Federal Reserve.

Shine on you crazy diamond.
Originally posted by: -]45th[-*Devil
Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
Originally posted by: -]45th[-*Devil
Originally posted by: Miracle-Man
lol Devil your deranged. If you rebeled they kill you all, who said anything about guns.

A Biological virus could do everything they wanted, at a fraction of the cost.


Sounds like freedom....


, False at that, Pure Comedy. I know you can't help its the way they programmed you at school.

. Free, We are all a slave to the system till we die.

Do you pay taxes? Or, are you too FREE!


I am quite the opposite of what they attempted to program me to be at school.

As far as taxes, so long as the Feds will come and shoot me if I don't pay and my fellow Americans will stand idle and watch, I will pay. But, I will also do what I can to fight that system and educate my fellow citizens about the criminal Federal Reserve.

So, you'll cheat if you can get away with it?

Thats... rebellious.
This thread is hilarious.
Originally posted by: Abaques
This thread is hilarious.


+1

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Originally posted by: Abaques
This thread is hilarious.


+1


+1000

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Originally posted by: ViperX
Shine on you crazy diamond.


And we'll bask in the shadow of yesterday's triumph, and sail on the steel breeze.
I didn't pay taxes last year. Not a red cent. True story. Write-offs FTW.
Originally posted by: Tarsier

These are just a few quotes from this great man. The more I read about him the more I wish I lived in his times.


What ever happned to great men like Thomas Jefferson? Why do we not have great leaders like him nowadays? Why are our current leaders completely devoid of honor and respect? Why are good men being held back in the political arene?

I am big on studying history, esp trying to understand old cultures and the spirit of the time. But I still feel that the present days are truly the most exciting time to be alive in. What we decide to do as a culture, who has full control over this most powerful of goverments, whether we realize it or not, are in a unique position to seize back control from the corrupt few who are on the verge of destroying this great nation. What we do now, or fail to do, will reshape the globe on an unprecendented scale.

"They told their children and thousands of years ago, their children grew up and told their children, and then their children grew up and told their children. And they spoke about the people that will live in this time. And now it is us. We are the ones they spoke of long ago. They say to be alive; to come into creation and to live upon the earth at this time is a great honor."

-Extracts from a talk given by Lee Brown at the 1986 Continental Indigenous Council, Tanana Valley, Fairbanks, Alaska.

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