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Why does it stop at high school ?

In order to get a decent paying job, generally, you need to have a bachelor's degree.

I was listening to a liberal talking to Hannity yesterday, and the dialogue went like this:

Do you think Pre-K education should be provided to the People by the government ?

Liberal answer: Yes.

Do you think K-12 education should be provided to the People by the government ?

Liberal answer: Yes.

Do you think college education should be provided to the People by the government ?

Liberal answer: Well, that's pushing it a little.

That doesn't seem very consistent. If a college education is so necessary nowadays, then why isn't the government providing a college education for free, to all ?
Are you just posing this as a question, or do you have a solution?
Originally posted by: GoHeels
Are you just posing this as a question, or do you have a solution?


The solution would be to offer free college education to all, by re-distributing the wealth acquired by other people's work.

It is pretty damn selfish to only want those who can afford college, to get that college education. It should be provided to all, just like Pre-K and K-12 education.
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: GoHeels
Are you just posing this as a question, or do you have a solution?


The solution would be to offer free college education to all, by re-distributing the wealth acquired by other people's work.

It is pretty damn selfish to only want those who can afford college, to get that college education. It should be provided to all, just like Pre-K and K-12 education.


Not a very smart answer. There are a SMALL number of people who can outright afford college. A VERY small number. School might be "free" to us as a part of the "unwashed masses"---but even "free school" from K-12 isn't worth what we pay into it. Even with "free" education, parents are forced to buy/spend tons of money for "learning materials"---everything from school supplies, computers, you name it. What we get versus what we pay for is a crying damn shame. Idiot groups like the NEA claim that students aren't learning because we aren't spending enough on education. A total myth perpetuated by nothing more than greed. A child's capacity to learn is great--if we have great teachers. A rare commodity in these times. Compare what an eighth grader was responsible for 100 years ago versus today. An eighth grader back then would be a friggin' Harvard grad compared to what we have today. You can thank the "dumbing down" of lesson plans, more lenient grading scales, and reduced standards as they apply to excellence in academics. Today...we don't fail kids who deserve to fail because it might upset their "internal balances" or hurt their self esteem because their friends are moving up to the next grade and they are excluded--left out...because they didn't do their homework or give a damn about school. As a result--we have kids in high school who can barely read or write and butcher the English language to the point that you want to smack one of them in the face.

I know of perhaps one or two people that I work with or associate with who had 100% of their college paid for by their parents. The rest got into debt for a very long time with student loans to ensure that they got a good education and hence a good paying job. If a person is unwilling to make sacrifices for their personal development or their future...why should my tax dollars go to pay for someone else? The whole reason that employers require such academic prerequisites is because they know the weaknesses inherent in the public education system, and they want people with the educational initiative to go out, better themselves, and learn.

So don't throw this "people can't afford it" crap out there. The government gives away tens of billions on entitlements, academic scholarships/subsidies to people who are considered "low income"---as do most universities or colleges. Here's another idea....get a scholarship by getting good grades or excelling at a sport. The bottom line is that not everyone is cut out for college...and we certainly don't need to burden the American taxpayer with another retarded plan based upon human emotion---that is paid for by someone else. If you want a college education---work hard in K-12, earn scholarships, or take out some student loans like everyone else.

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re-distribution of wealth? Way to penalize the successful, nice job!

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Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea
If you want that then like us up north (eH!) you will have to pay WAY more tax than you do right now.
Originally posted by: [PoE]BrokenBird
If you want that then like us up north (eH!) you will have to pay WAY more tax than you do right now.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean its not free...BAH except to the illegals
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 12/7/2007 3:23:39 PM
Originally posted by: [PoE]BrokenBird
If you want that then like us up north (eH!) you will have to pay WAY more tax than you do right now.


College is free in Canada ?
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


How is free college education socialism, but free Pre-K and K-12 education not socialism ?
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


How is free college education socialism, but free Pre-K and K-12 education not socialism ?


Molim. Nothing is free. You have to pay for those services. Except the Illegals of course. They get everything for free
Why is it not free? I think we all know the answer to that. Because it's overpriced.
Clearly No Child Left Behind is the answer!
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


How is free college education socialism, but free Pre-K and K-12 education not socialism ?


Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


How is free college education socialism, but free Pre-K and K-12 education not socialism ?




So you're saying they both are, or aren't socialism ?
Every society needs a basic foundation to thrive, which is where government plays it's role. We peovide the foundation, what you do with it is up to you.

We protect our citizens.
We provide a reasonably safe environment for our citizens.
We provide the basics in reading, writing, mathamatics, and science to our citizens.

We as a people draw the line at that point. Anything else paid for by taxpayers becomes the subject of debate in every election.

I guess you could call it limited socialism.
Post edited by Buzzed at 12/7/2007 3:34:51 PM
Do posters here think k-12 is free? I have a very large tax bill that disagrees with ya.
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: GoHeels
Are you just posing this as a question, or do you have a solution?


The solution would be to offer free college education to all, by re-distributing the wealth acquired by other people's work.

It is pretty damn selfish to only want those who can afford college, to get that college education. It should be provided to all, just like Pre-K and K-12 education.



Signed College should be free god damnit.
Originally posted by: -=Michelob=-
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: GoHeels
Are you just posing this as a question, or do you have a solution?


The solution would be to offer free college education to all, by re-distributing the wealth acquired by other people's work.

It is pretty damn selfish to only want those who can afford college, to get that college education. It should be provided to all, just like Pre-K and K-12 education.



Signed College should be free god damnit.
Nobody should have to work god damnit. But someone has to do it.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Do posters here think k-12 is free? I have a very large tax bill that disagrees with ya.


Of course it is not, but they do it different in different parts of the country I believe. In my comunity, our property taxes in their entirety are for the local schools.

I pay $3500 a year for the public schools. Why ? Because if I don't, guys with guns will show up on my doorstep eventually.
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Do posters here think k-12 is free? I have a very large tax bill that disagrees with ya.


Of course it is not, but they do it different in different parts of the country I believe. In my comunity, our property taxes in their entirety are for the local schools.

I pay $3500 a year for the public schools. Why ? Because if I don't, guys with guns will show up on my doorstep eventually.
How is that working out with all the foreclosures?
Requiring a bachelors degree is stupid when often times the degree is not even useful to the job they are filling.

I would say providing at least a basic associates degree would be worth doing.
Originally posted by: Buzzed
Originally posted by: MolimOrion
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Do posters here think k-12 is free? I have a very large tax bill that disagrees with ya.


Of course it is not, but they do it different in different parts of the country I believe. In my comunity, our property taxes in their entirety are for the local schools.

I pay $3500 a year for the public schools. Why ? Because if I don't, guys with guns will show up on my doorstep eventually.
How is that working out with all the foreclosures?


That's a really good question. I haven't heard any news reports about this, but yes, if folks are failing at their mortgages, then they aren't paying their taxes either. They will probably make up the difference with tax increases next year.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


did you goto any public schools as a kid?
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] Pudd¿nheäd
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


did you goto any public schools as a kid?


I went to both private and public schools. And when I grew up their wasnt 10 million illegal immigrants draining the system who don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the costs of these services.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: [-NM-] Pudd¿nheäd
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


did you goto any public schools as a kid?


I went to both private and public schools. And when I grew up their wasnt 10 million illegal immigrants draining the system who don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the costs of these services.


do american citizen kids deserve public schools?
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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: [-NM-] Pudd¿nheäd
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: [-NM-] Pudd¿nheäd
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


did you goto any public schools as a kid?


I went to both private and public schools. And when I grew up their wasnt 10 million illegal immigrants draining the system who don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the costs of these services.


do american citizen kids deserve public schools?


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.


If they were born here, they are not illegal.
Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.


If they were born here, they are not illegal.


We will get that changed shortly
Here's a novel idea... how about we teach people stuff that's actually, I dunno, useful in high school? Things like personal finance, or how to write a decent paper.

In (socialist) Europe, you're guaranteed an education as far as your path takes you, provided you measure up. That is to say, if you want to be a plumber or bicycle repairman, you do 8 years of primary school, 1 year of polytechnic and something like 3 years of apprenticeship.

If you want to go to college, the government will pay for that, provided you demonstrate the capacity to handle college, and the process is fairly unforgiving. There are no claims of equality there, and no claims of entitlement. College education overseas is based on academic performance: if you meet certain measurable criteria, they'll pay for your college. If not, they won't. End of story.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.


If they were born here, they are not illegal.


We will get that changed shortly


You think you can get a 75% majority to approve a Constitutional Amendment? Because that's what it will take.
Originally posted by: reimero


You think you can get a 75% majority to approve a Constitutional Amendment? Because that's what it will take.


No chance in hell.
Originally posted by: reimero
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.


If they were born here, they are not illegal.


We will get that changed shortly


You think you can get a 75% majority to approve a Constitutional Amendment? Because that's what it will take.

Hard to say. If we could just build the wall, man the wall and keep them out then I would be happy with that.


Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: reimero
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.


If they were born here, they are not illegal.


We will get that changed shortly


You think you can get a 75% majority to approve a Constitutional Amendment? Because that's what it will take.

Hard to say. If we could just build the wall, man the wall and keep them out then I would be happy with that.


hate to break it to you snake but this country was in shambles long before illegal immigration became "known"
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Originally posted by: Buzzed
Every society needs a basic foundation to thrive, which is where government plays it's role. We peovide the foundation, what you do with it is up to you.

We protect our citizens.
We provide a reasonably safe environment for our citizens.
We provide the basics in reading, writing, mathamatics, and science to our citizens.


Actually, the police have no obligation to protect you from harm. It was in a Supreme Court ruling.

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In NC and Oregon, they are considering in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. So technically, an American in a different state, would need to give up their citizenship, in order to get the same, great tuition deal that illegal immigrants would get.
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: [-NM-] Pudd¿nheäd
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: [-NM-] Pudd¿nheäd
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Socialism 101...Nope, not my cup of tea


did you goto any public schools as a kid?


I went to both private and public schools. And when I grew up their wasnt 10 million illegal immigrants draining the system who don't pay taxes, don't contribute to the costs of these services.


do american citizen kids deserve public schools?


Do I deserve to pay for illegal immigrants and their children? HELL NO I don't.


i didnt ask abut illegals. i asked about american citizens. let's make it more specific, those born to american citizens.


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The right is more virtuous than the left. They have twice as many virtues because they have double the standards.

Originally posted by: Gortok
Originally posted by: Buzzed
Every society needs a basic foundation to thrive, which is where government plays it's role. We peovide the foundation, what you do with it is up to you.

We protect our citizens.
We provide a reasonably safe environment for our citizens.
We provide the basics in reading, writing, mathamatics, and science to our citizens.


Actually, the police have no obligation to protect you from harm. It was in a Supreme Court ruling.
Did I mention police? No. If the government doesn't have a role to protect us, then what are prisons and a military for?
Post edited by Buzzed at 12/7/2007 4:35:28 PM
Originally posted by: Buzzed
Did I mention police? No. If the government doesn't have a role to protect us, then what are prisons and a military for?

The government has a role to 'provide for the common defense'. Prisons are not meant to 'protect' us (as you were talking about, protecting us from harm), they are meant to punish the offenders that have already harmed others. (Notably, why then are drug offenders being put in prison?)

The military is there to provide for the common defense. If you read the Constitution, you'll note that the language favors each citizen bearing arms (2nd Amendment, also the language about the army), over some sort of government police force.

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