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Time for a Division 1A Football Playoff

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edit: I know it is no longer called Div 1A but you know what I mean.

With this years chaos in the BCS rankings it has become clearer than ever that we need to switch over to a playoff format.

This article on yahoosports sums it up better than I could so I will spare you my writing and just say I couldnt agree with what he says more.

Yahoo Sports Article
Post edited by Rubicon| Russd3 at 11/27/2007 4:45:01 PM
Hell yes its needed. Top 8 schools should have playoffs or something like that.
Plenty of time for a 16 team field. As it is now the teams that play the championship get almost a month off (if not more)
I'm a big fan of the +1 idea.

It's basically a 4 team playoff. This still keeps the regular season very exciting because only the top 4 teams will make it, and it doesn't extend the season too much longer.

Im all for plus 1, but not a full playoff. The season if a playoff, look at every team out there besides Hawaii, and they all contorted there own destiny to get the BCS game. They all have blown it except two.

Now the only thing i dont like is how alot of the teams with the same record are placed based upon when they lost. But if you thought there was a huge deal about the bcs before, wait and see. If both WVU and Mizzou lose this weekend, it would more than liekly put OSU and Georgia in the NC game. Georgia isnt even playing for their conference title.
Originally posted by: GoHeels
I'm a big fan of the +1 idea.

It's basically a 4 team playoff. This still keeps the regular season very exciting because only the top 4 teams will make it, and it doesn't extend the season too much longer.



How will this solve anything especially in a year like this year. Are these the four in it?

Mis 11-1
WV 10-1
OSU 11-1
Georgia 10-2

What about Kansas 11-1? why should Georgia be in front of them? Just because Kansas lost last week to, at the time, #4 Georgia? Who did Georgia lose to? Unranked South Carolina and, now #14, Tenn ...

You cannot have just 4 or 8 teans. I would say the minimum would be 16.
Post edited by [-NM-] Jungle Boy at 11/28/2007 10:55:42 AM
And if you have 16, then teams 17 - 20 would make a case for why they should be included. You can never make anyone happy, and 16 teams would ad entirely too many games to an already long college football season.

4 team playoff would do it.
I've been saying this for years...
Just like the article said there are 11 conferences. Win your conference you get an automatic bid. The remaining 5 slots are at-large bids. Still makes the regular season very relevant and will make the smaller conferences more competitive at the same time.
So teams without a conference are just shit out of luck if they are on the bubble?

Adding 4 games to the college football season will NEVER happen, so don't hold your breath.

This is the main reason why this wont happen: Money. Plain and simple. The teams and the sponsors make so much money on just one bowl. Theyll never give that up. But i love the idea of playoffs. It shows who the best team is. Not one team that plays a bunch of shitty teams in their conference and goes undefeated.
Originally posted by: _Crunch
This is the main reason why this wont happen: Money. Plain and simple. The teams and the sponsors make so much money on just one bowl. Theyll never give that up. But i love the idea of playoffs. It shows who the best team is. Not one team that plays a bunch of shitty teams in their conference and goes undefeated.


The bowl owners lose if this happens. But consider the fans provide the money and if their is enough buy-in it can certainly be done. This would be great because Im tired of the fanboys on the AP talking about the SEC, etc. Lets put them to the test. Put their money where their mouths are
And down go the #1 and #2 seeds again. The final BCS standing are sure going to be interesting now. Seems no one really wants to play in the title game.
Originally posted by: [-NM-] Jungle Boy
Originally posted by: GoHeels
I'm a big fan of the +1 idea.

It's basically a 4 team playoff. This still keeps the regular season very exciting because only the top 4 teams will make it, and it doesn't extend the season too much longer.



How will this solve anything especially in a year like this year. Are these the four in it?

Mis 11-1
WV 10-1
OSU 11-1
Georgia 10-2

What about Kansas 11-1? why should Georgia be in front of them? Just because Kansas lost last week to, at the time, #4 Georgia? Who did Georgia lose to? Unranked South Carolina and, now #14, Tenn ...

You cannot have just 4 or 8 teans. I would say the minimum would be 16.


Even though this was already addressed earlier, there are always going to be teams that are unhappy at the end of the season.

I think it would be easier to distinguish the top 4 teams than it would be to distinguish the top 16 teams.

Once you get to the mid-teens there are like 20 teams at 9-3 or something like that who would have comparable arguments to why THEIR team should be in the playoffs.

Plus, I don't like the idea of extending the season 3+ weeks. Believe it or not these kids still have school to take care of.

Also, if there was a 16 team playoff, the regular season would be muuuuuuuch more diluted. Part of what makes college football great right now is that virtually every game the last half of the season is an elimination game for the top teams.

IMO, the BCS should be kept in tact and a +1 system should be added. Keeping the BCS bowls still keeps the prestige of winning your conference and winning a "major" bowl game, and the 2 game playoff would be off the chain intense.

Maybe it's just me, but I think a +1 system would be awesome.
The Wetzel plan

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
November 27, 2007

A playoff is coming to college football, not eventually but probably sooner than the moneyed-establishment wants to admit.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, the Vladimir Putin of college sports and the key figure preventing a playoff, can stem the tide for only so long.

Unfortunately, we're stuck with the current Bowl Championship Series for the time being. But that doesn't mean we can't dream about what a real playoff would entail and the magic it would produce each December and January.

If you think you like Saturdays now, understand that this is just college football lite; one day to be looked back on as a quaint and confusing era.

Here's how the playoff will eventually work – and this isn't just my idea, it's essentially the exact scenario the NCAA (which will eventually run it) uses to run the football playoffs at the former Division I-AA, II and III.

A 16-TEAM FIELD

Just like in what used to be Division I-AA, the tournament would feature four rounds with teams seeded one through 16. Just like the wildly popular and profitable NCAA men's basketball tournament, champions of all the conferences (all 11 of them) earn an automatic bid to the field.

Yes, all 11. Even the lousy conferences. While no one would argue that the winner of the Mid-American Conference is one of the top 16 teams in the country, there are multiple benefits of including champions of low-level leagues.

First is to maintain the integrity and relevancy of the regular season. While the idea that the season is a four-month playoff is both inaccurate and absurd, there should be a significant reward for an exceptional season.

The chance for an easier first-round opponent – in this case No. 1 Missouri would play No. 16 Central Michigan or Miami (Ohio) – is a big reward for a great regular season. Earning a top-three seeding would present a school a near breeze into the second round. Drop to a sixth-seed in this year's scenario and you are dealing with Florida.

On the flip side, it brings true Cinderella into the college football mix for the first time. Is it likely that Central Florida could beat Ohio State? Of course not, but as the men's basketball tournament has proven the mere possibility (or even a close game) draws in casual fans by the millions.

Last season the most memorable college football game was Boise State-Oklahoma, in part because Boise was the unbeaten underdog that wasn't supposed to win. When it did, in dramatic fashion, it became arguably the most popular team in America.

But it had no shot at a national title because the system says Boise can't be any good in 2007 because it wasn't any good in 1967. As illogical as this is, that's the system.

For even lower-rated conferences – the Sun Belts, the MACs – allowing annual access to the tournament would not only set off celebrations on small campuses but it would encourage investment in the sport at all levels. Suddenly, there would be a reason for teams in those leagues to really care. This would improve quality throughout the country.

With the bigger conferences, a championship would take on greater value. Does anyone without direct rooting interest really care if USC wins the Pac-10 Saturday? How about the Virginia Tech-Boston College ACC title game? You would now.


AT-LARGE BIDS

In addition to the 11 automatic bids, there would be five at-large selections made by a basketball-like selection committee. Most years, those would come from the power conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC).

While the selection process would still draw complaints from the teams left out, those schools often would have two or three losses or significant flaws. Gone forever would be the days of an unbeaten Auburn in the 2004 season not getting a chance at the title or the bizarre 2003 season where nearly everyone thought USC was the best team but got left out anyway.

HOME GAMES FOR HIGHER SEEDS IN FIRST THREE ROUNDS

The strangest part of the BCS is that outside businesses – the people who own the bowl games – get a cut of the revenue. It would be unfathomable for a league such as the NFL or NBA to allow independent promoters to stage its playoffs.

College football is leaving millions on the table by staging top games in far-off locales. Ohio State, for instance, earns an estimated $5 million-plus for each home game. And that is just direct revenue. Forbes estimates Buckeye football games generated $42 million for the Columbus area in 2005.

The 14 hugely profitable home games from the first three rounds would create a huge revenue stream.

There is simply no need to include the current bowl structure. Obviously no fan base can afford to travel week after week to neutral-site games. But they wouldn't have to. In what used to be Division I-AA, the playoffs are home field until the title game. That's the way it should be.

The competitive value of home-field advantage would also help maintain the importance of the regular season because the higher the seed, the more home games.

This would also be a boon to teams in the Midwest, which build their teams to deal with the predictably harsh weather only to play postseason games in generally warm, calm environs.

So how would say, USC fare if it didn't get a Big Ten opponent in Pasadena each January, but rather had to slip and slide around Ann Arbor or Columbus for a change? And who wouldn't want to see the Trojans invade one of those historic old stadiums, snow falling, and proving they have grit not just skill?

COMPETITION

That's the best part, of course, the games. As heart-thumping and pulse-stopping as college football is and always has been, we aren't even scratching the surface in our plan. We currently have nothing even close to this. Week after week of building excitement, tension and stakes.

A byproduct of the BCS has been a devaluing of competitiveness in college football. There is no longer an incentive to play games against other big-time opponents. It's not just intra-regional games that are all but gone but most non-conference games of any significance. Teams just load up on patsies to grab the home gate and maybe play one local rival.

Amazingly, the BCS rewards them for this.

Because of human voters' tendency to favor record over all else – unless the school is from outside the BCS – the goal of the season is simply not to lose. The easiest way to do that is to play as few teams as possible that are capable of beating you.

The BCS favors teams that load up on cupcakes early and play in a weaker BCS conference that ideally doesn't have to deal with a 13th game (for the league title).

Consider Kansas, which is rated No. 5 in the BCS (and was No. 2 last week) despite owning wins over opponents with a combined record of 45-63 record (.417 winning percentage). Maybe the Jayhawks are a great team that was capable of beating other great teams. But no one really knows. And the BCS didn't care.

The playoffs return the big-time games between teams from different conferences. Even better, it puts them on campus – not some far-flung NFL stadiums – in historic venues with all the pageantry.

Oklahoma-USC in the Coliseum in the first round? Florida-Ohio State in the Horseshoe in the second? How about the Buckeyes at West Virginia in a national semifinal? Every week of every year would be incredible.

BOWL GAMES COULD STILL EXIST

Understanding that there really isn't anything wrong with most bowl games – it's not like innocent people are dying because the Meineke Car Care Bowl exists – we'll allow them to stick around.

One bowl could serve as the championship game, giving college football its neutral, Super Bowl-style site to conclude the tournament.

As for all the other bowls, they can go on as they wish. The NIT still operates, doesn't it? It's not like most bowl games have any direct bearing on the championship now.

There is value to the smaller bowls in smaller communities. If the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas, still wishes to stage a game, it by all means should. It just won't have access to the 16 playoff teams. But it doesn't have access to teams of that quality now. It still can host a meaningless game between two moderately successful schools. For most bowls, nothing changes.

The lack of 16 "bowl-qualified" teams would filter down, of course, and run a couple of minor bowls out of business since there won't be enough bowl-eligible clubs. But if the reason college football is not staging a playoff is the need to save the International Bowl in Toronto, then the current system is more corrupt than we think.

THE SCHEDULE

While the former Division I-AA plays all four rounds in four weeks and stages the title game before Christmas, football’s top division might be better served playing the first one or two rounds in December, breaking for final exams and staging the semifinals just after Christmas and the title game in early January.

The schedule is a minimal concern. Something can be worked out. Whatever it is, it would allow teams and stars to become familiar to the American public, for momentum to build and excitement to grow.

The college football playoffs would have a chance to rival the NFL playoffs (Super Bowl included) as the biggest sporting event in the country. Fans would love it, players live for it and a game deserving of a real playoff finally enjoying it. It would capture the imagination of the nation.

Right now it's only a dream, but the day is coming. There is only so long the dictators can stop it.

- By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
November 27, 2007

EDIT: Above article was before this weeks games. Below is a link to an article that was written by the same guy after the conference championship games.

Article #2
Post edited by Rubicon| Russd3 at 12/2/2007 4:59:02 AM
I'm sorry but Hawaii is the only team left undefeated & how they don't have the chance to play for the national title is pathetic.
Every single team that has been ranked #1 & #2 has blown their chance yet these guys aren't even given that chance.
All you teams that have been ranked #1 & #2 this season & have blown it should be taking a back seat right now to teams like Hawaii.
I was at the Washington-Hawaii game tonight and it was great. Kick ass come back from Hawaii down 21-0 in the first.

They had a shitty start with the fumbles but Colt pulled it together. I've met him here and watched him practice. He's accurate as hell. Just needs to improve on some of the other aspects and I think he'll do good in the NFL.
Originally posted by: GoHeels

Plus, I don't like the idea of extending the season 3+ weeks. Believe it or not these kids still have school to take care of.

Also, if there was a 16 team playoff, the regular season would be muuuuuuuch more diluted. Part of what makes college football great right now is that virtually every game the last half of the season is an elimination game for the top teams.
These two comments are good points in my opinion. I personally find the idea of a playoff structure intriguing since it allows smaller schools to gain the recognition that they are currently being denied. However the points that GoHeels raises are items that would need to be addressed.


If there was a playoff for a national college football title it would reduce the day to day excitement of the college football season. Basically once you qualify for the playoffs all that matters is getting ready for the end of season. The season's early games would be much less important than they are now.


The other downside is that the season would be much extended. Keep in mind that these kids are students first athletes second. They need to get their education. They need to attend classes and they need to earn their degrees. College athletics should not keep them from their educations.


These kids are training for the college football season from late spring to mid winter; for those who are juniors or seniors considering a life in the NFL many will be playing playoff games up to probably mid-to-late February and then going to combine and personal workouts with scouts with not enough time for rest and education in between.


Is it any wonder that graduation rates for collegiate athletes are so low in relation to the general populations of their respective colleges? These kids should be going to college to get their education. Probably only a small percentage of collegiate football players will make it to the pro game. The rest who don't make it should be given the time to get a proper education and to earn their degrees.
Originally posted by: Stones
I'm sorry but Hawaii is the only team left undefeated & how they don't have the chance to play for the national title is pathetic.
Every single team that has been ranked #1 & #2 has blown their chance yet these guys aren't even given that chance.
All you teams that have been ranked #1 & #2 this season & have blown it should be taking a back seat right now to teams like Hawaii.


You forgot [/JOKE]
If you're going to have a D1-A football playoff, you'll also need to have centralized officiating, or a system in place in which neutral officials handle both what happens on the field as well as in the replay booth. (Right now, the visitors provide the game officials, and the home team provides the replay.)

Officiating has been utterly atrocious as of late, especially the Pac 10's sorry excuse for instant replay. It's rare they're able to get through a game without screwing up a call, and they're remarkably adept at making ludicrous game-changing decisions. Just ask Oklahoma.
I don't think I have ever seen consistent terrible calls like this year, ever before. The whole instant replay is totally messed up, what happend to conclusive evidence to overturn a call? I have seen so many calls where even the commentators say that its conclusive that the call on the field was the right call and the officials end up going the other way. Now if everyone else thinks the call on the field was the right call, and we are looking at the same replays, then there is definitely not conclusive evidence to overturn it. I forget which game it was, but there was a play where the wide reciever was fully extended, hands out in front, catching the ball and landing in the endzone, the ball clearly didn't touch the ground but the officials said it did. If they didn't overturn it, then that catch would have been in the top 10 best plays for college football this season. Instead it will never be seen again.

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