Barack Obama Sees Opening to Overtake Clinton in Iowa

BETTENDORF, Iowa — Barack Obama insisted Wednesday that his support in Iowa is broadening and cast doubt on rival Hillary Clinton's ability to convince voters she can deliver the type of change he says his campaign represents.

With recent polling showing the Democratic presidential candidate catching up to the frontrunner in the early-voting state, Obama is pressing the case that he has the policy proposals and broad appeal to attract voters interested in change.

"There's no doubt that we represent the kind of change Senator Clinton can't deliver on. And part of it's generational," Obama told FOX News." Senator Clinton and others have been fighting some of the same fights since the '60s. It makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done. And I think that's what people hunger for."

That approach appears to be paying off. A Zogby poll of 502 likely voters taken Tuesday showed Obama with 25 percent support, three points behind Clinton. The margin of error was 3 percent.

By contrast, an American Research Group poll taken in Iowa between Oct. 26 and 29 of 600 likely voters put Clinton 10 points ahead of Obama, with 32 percent support. Clinton has lost footing in the polls ever since a debate last week in which she gave unclear answers on her position regarding a New York plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,309297,00.html

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Can he regain momentum against the Clintong juggernaut? If you are a dem, who would you give your vote to right now?

PATRIOTIC DISSENT IS A LUXURY OF THOSE PROTECTED BY BETTER MEN THAN THEY.

Another question. Does a closer rivalry between Clinton and Barack help or hurt the Republican cause? That should be interesing

A University of Iowa poll had them a dead heat like last week. Like I have been telling you, SS, it may be Obama, it may be someone else, but Hillary will get caught and passed. She is not electable and the Democrats know it.

Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
A University of Iowa poll had them a dead heat like last week. Like I have been telling you, SS, it may be Obama, it may be someone else, but Hillary will get caught and passed. She is not electable and the Democrats know it.

So in your opinion , she will blow the large advantage the dems have for taking the WH? Why? Is it form the overall general dislike of her [polarizing]?

PATRIOTIC DISSENT IS A LUXURY OF THOSE PROTECTED BY BETTER MEN THAN THEY.

Well, this is a recent development, but this newfound love of hers of waffling and riding the fence on every question posed is killing her. Overall, though, I just think she rubs a ton of people the wrong way. And when there are polls out there showing that 50% of the American public will not vote for you no matter what the options, the party would be idiotic to put her up.

She is politics as usual, a member of the good old boys club dressed up in a slightly different outfit. Bah, you know how i feel, we have had this convo
Post edited by DieselFuel! at 11/8/2007 8:42:38 AM

As an Iowan, I think Obama has much more pull here than poll #'s let on. No one really 'likes' Hillary, and people are getting tired of the boring "inevitable" spin that mainstream media is putting on her candidacy.

Plus, she will not do well in the general election, because her draw among independents is very low.

Plus, I have a little rule I follow when it comes to presidents - NO MORE CLINTONS OR BUSHES - EVER!



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

You know, C-Mat (your hip hop name), I was watching a PBS piece on the Iowa and NH primaries, and they were talking about the intense resentment Iowans feel about the rest of the country telling them who they should vote for.

They say grass-roots town-hall type campaigning is the key in those two states. People want a personal feel and to form their own opinion. Can't say I disagree with that.

Originally posted by: DieselFuel!
You know, C-Mat (your hip hop name), I was watching a PBS piece on the Iowa and NH primaries, and they were talking about the intense resentment Iowans feel about the rest of the country telling them who they should vote for.

They say grass-roots town-hall type campaigning is the key in those two states. People want a personal feel and to form their own opinion. Can't say I disagree with that.

As a promise to snake, I will not be a thug gangster rapper, and promise to only own legally purchased firearms and not shoot up the club.

Luckily, Iowa has such a low population that you can get up close and personal with a candidate and see how they interact with people.

Obama had a rally at the park 3 blocks from my house a few months ago, and I got to see him and his wife speak, and was quite impressed. They put together a good event.

His wife Michelle is great- smart, tough, kind of like Hillary Clinton if she had a soul, morals, and a backbone



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: cimat1984

His wife Michelle is great- smart, tough, kind of like Hillary Clinton if she had a soul, morals, and a backbone

Yeah, if you ask me she was the worst part of that pair. I'd vote for Bill again if he could run, but I swear on all that I cherish that it would be a cold day in hell before I ever voted for Hillary. No matter who runs against her, its either a vote for the other or no vote at all.

SS talks about the Dems running for Pres because on the Republican side, THEY REALLY SUCK TEH BIG ONE!!!





Except for Ron Paul!!!


GO RON GO!!!

Originally posted by: [-NM-] SPACEHERPES
SS talks about the Dems running for Pres because on the Republican side, THEY REALLY SUCK TEH BIG ONE!!!





Except for Ron Paul!!!


GO RON GO!!!

I really feel sorry for conservatives - the crop of republican candidates are little more than thugs or slimy weirdo's.



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-

Can he regain momentum against the Clintong juggernaut? If you are a dem, who would you give your vote to right now?

My vote goes to Obama, without a doubt. And I don't think "regaining" momentum is an issue, to regain it he would have had to have lost that momentum in the first place, which I don't believe he has. I think his momentum has been building steadily since he threw his hat in the ring.
Post edited by Hotniks at 11/8/2007 9:53:30 AM

Obama is the next President of the United States of America.

Originally posted by: Coba|t
Obama is the next President of the United States of America.

I would be very ok with that.



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: [-NM-] SPACEHERPES
SS talks about the Dems running for Pres because on the Republican side, THEY REALLY SUCK TEH BIG ONE!!!





Except for Ron Paul!!!


GO RON GO!!!

I am a Republikhan blogger, get it right homeboy.

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PATRIOTIC DISSENT IS A LUXURY OF THOSE PROTECTED BY BETTER MEN THAN THEY.

Originally posted by: [-NM-] SPACEHERPES
SS talks about the Dems running for Pres because on the Republican side, THEY REALLY SUCK TEH BIG ONE!!!





Except for Ron Paul!!!


GO RON GO!!!

God I hope Ron Paul makes it out of the primary's. He could force a lot of issues into the spotlight.

Clinton is a great politician. However, that's not what this country needs right now. We need a problem solver. Barack Obama and Ron Paul are the two I am following right now.

Sadly, I don't think Ron Paul really stands a chance to run due to the ultra neo-con movement that seems to be happening amongst the republican party this past decade. Perhaps after getting slapped down by the dems this next decade to come, the party will reassess priorities- hopefully the American people have!

Originally posted by: subroutine
Clinton is a great politician. However, that's not what this country needs right now. We need a problem solver. Barack Obama and Ron Paul are the two I am following right now.

Sadly, I don't think Ron Paul really stands a chance to run due to the ultra neo-con movement that seems to be happening amongst the republican party this past decade. Perhaps after getting slapped down by the dems this next decade to come, the party will reassess priorities- hopefully the American people have!

Neo-cons are out, their project in Iraq was an utter flop and they won't be around in the white-house any time soon if they make their platform known to voters.

I'm liking Obama myself. I don't know if he can pull off the nomination, but if he can that'd be pretty sweet.

Originally posted by: Powerline
I'm liking Obama myself. I don't know if he can pull off the nomination, but if he can that'd be pretty sweet.

Not only do I think he can, I think he will.

Originally posted by: Coba|t
Obama is the next President of the United States of America.

I don't think that will happen.

Originally posted by: =>PX<=Major

Originally posted by: Powerline
I'm liking Obama myself. I don't know if he can pull off the nomination, but if he can that'd be pretty sweet.

Not only do I think he can, I think he will.

x2

He would be such a refreshing change.

I wish they would make an option to check a box for "vote of no confidence"....I hate to not vote but hate voting for the tards that are running...just sux



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Originally posted by: Killet
I wish they would make an option to check a box for "vote of no confidence"....I hate to not vote but hate voting for the tards that are running...just sux

Yea, right now I feel that way about the republicans. I like Fred Thompson but he doesnt have the ability to win right now. Rudy is my 2nd pick but he has some issues as well.

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-

Can he regain momentum against the Clintong juggernaut? If you are a dem, who would you give your vote to right now?

Edwards and Obama are my top 2. The really funny thing is that they are both probably more electable than Hillary among independents, even though she's generally more moderate on the issues than they are.

For one reason or another, many people just have some kind of vitriolic hate for her, and would rather vote for whichever schmoe gets puked out from the repub side, even if they agree with her on more issues.

I have high hopes for the Iowans (I'm a former resident). They killed poor Howard Dean in '04 - I hope they don't drop the hammer on the dynamic leadership types this time around.

Originally posted by: Durinia

Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-

Can he regain momentum against the Clintong juggernaut? If you are a dem, who would you give your vote to right now?

Edwards and Obama are my top 2. The really funny thing is that they are both probably more electable than Hillary among independents, even though she's generally more moderate on the issues than they are.

For one reason or another, many people just have some kind of vitriolic hate for her, and would rather vote for whichever schmoe gets puked out from the repub side, even if they agree with her on more issues.

I have high hopes for the Iowans (I'm a former resident). They killed poor Howard Dean in '04 - I hope they don't drop the hammer on the dynamic leadership types this time around.

Yeah, and we got behind John Kerry. What a waste of space he was. At least Dean would have fought back against the swift boaters, et al.



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: cimat1984
we got behind John Kerry.

Kinky fugger!

Originally posted by: Durinia

Edwards and Obama are my top 2.

i take it then that you happy with the way America has been acting in the worlds stage since the assassination of JFK?

now, i know im assuming you would think this only because; ever since JFK's assassination, every president since then has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the single most powerful think tank on the planet- that has closed door meetings with our elected officials all the time. every single one of them shoot for the same goal regardless of party affiliation.

Democrat CFR Candidates:

Barack Obama

Hillary Clinton

John Edwards

Chris Dodd

Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Candidates:

Mitt Romney

Rudy Giuliani

John McCain

Fred Thompson

Newt Gingrich

so, unless you are very satisfied with the way american politics has been for the past 4 decades, you might want to think about voting for someone that has nothing to do with the CFR!

3 words:

Tin
Foil
Hat



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: cimat1984
3 words:

Tin
Foil
Hat

That guy never get's old!

Originally posted by: cimat1984
3 words:

Tin
Foil
Hat

I like the sinister music in the background.

PATRIOTIC DISSENT IS A LUXURY OF THOSE PROTECTED BY BETTER MEN THAN THEY.

Originally posted by: DieselFuel!

Originally posted by: cimat1984
3 words:

Tin
Foil
Hat

That guy never get's old!

I can just imagine him rambling on about:

Chemtrails
Floride
Bildebergers
Vatican
CFR
Trilateral commission
Grassy knolls
Roswell
Masons
north american union
new world order
new order
new kids on the block
UN unmarked helicopters
federal reserve
etc
etc
etc



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: cimat1984

I can just imagine him rambling on about:
CFR

north american union

federal reserve

the above i do.

and no, i wear no tinfoil hat. which, btw, is a 2 letter word.

its ok, i wont hold it against you.

Originally posted by: samUwell

Originally posted by: cimat1984

I can just imagine him rambling on about:
CFR

north american union

federal reserve

the above i do.

and no, i wear no tinfoil hat. which, btw, is a 2 letter word.

its ok, i wont hold it against you.

I'm just being silly. More making fun of the guy in the picture - not you personally.

Although, you do have something I would like you to hold against me



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Originally posted by: Abaques
If Snake and Cimat agree on something then I think its case closed.

Originally posted by: DieselFuel!



That guy never get's old!

so DF.... what, exactly, has anything to do with a conspiracy from the above that i mentioned?

i realize that you are offended now knowing Obama is a CFR member and will continue on with the same foreign policy this nation has been heading for the past 4 decades but , cimat has something he wants to hold against you. its tough when we learn our team is no different than the one we want to beat.

unfortunately for you, i read the CFR weekly and, subscribe to their Foreign Affairs Mag and read it religiously.

we all should be reading, at least, Foreign Affairs.
Post edited by samUwell at 11/8/2007 4:45:54 PM

Originally posted by: cimat1984

I'm just being silly. More making fun of the guy in the picture - not you personally.

Although, you do have something I would like you to hold against me

oh... lol! gotcha!

and now, a word from our Green Party Newspaper

In the months after September 11 Pollack and other CFR scholars wrote about 100 op-ed articles in major national and international newspapers, 20 major journal articles, and a total of ten books. CFR members made over 1,000 appearances as commentators on radio and TV shows, testified before Congress, and gave briefings to key governmental officials, including, in the words of the CFR Annual Report, special briefings for members of President Bush’s inner circle.

In addition, a “vigorous public diplomacy campaign” is seen a necessary to convince skeptical publics at home and abroad that U.S. objectives and intentions are just. In this regard the Guiding Principles report states:

“One of the most important issues to address is the widely held view that the campaign against Iraq is driven by an American wish to ‘steal’ or at least control Iraqi oil. U.S. statements and behavior must refute this... A heavy American hand will only convince them and the world that the operation against Iraq was undertaken for imperialist, rather than disarmament, reasons.”
(.....)
What is the Council on Foreign Relations?

Although not a well-known organization and only occasionally mentioned in the media, the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has been prominent in behind-the-scenes foreign policy formation in the U.S. for over 75 years. The CFR publishes Foreign Affairs, which calls itself “the most influential periodical in print.” CFR members Marvin and Bernard Kalb, call the CFR an “extremely influential private group that is sometimes called the real State Department.” And as J. Anthony Lucas put it: “if you want to make foreign policy, there’s no better fraternity to belong to than the Council.”

The think tank of the CFR, the Studies Program, conducts strategic medium and long term foreign policy planning, and aggressively the challenges of crisis situations. The purpose is to influence both government and the public. The studies program is scholarship at the service of corporate interests, bringing together business and government leaders with leading academics.

*edited- Given the close interlocks of personnel between the CFR and the U.S. government and the bipartisan nature of the CFR, it should come as no surprise that CFR views are clearly reflected both in the Bush administration’s foreign policies and the policy positions taken by leading Democrats in the House and Senate. The majority of Democratic Senators voted for authorizing President Bush to go to war preemptively against Iraq at his own discretion, and Democratic presidential candidates are almost all pro-war.

looks like your party cimat, is just as bothered by the CFR as i.
Post edited by samUwell at 11/8/2007 4:44:15 PM

Well, first and foremost that picture was in reply to Cimat's post. Second, aside from your wild speculation, I have seen nothing that would make me even remotely agree with your assertion that we will head down the same foreign policy clusterfuck path we have been on the last 6 years regardless of who gets elected. As a matter of fact, I believe that to be unequivocally false.

Originally posted by: cimat1984
As an Iowan, I think Obama has much more pull here than poll #'s let on. No one really 'likes' Hillary, and people are getting tired of the boring "inevitable" spin that mainstream media is putting on her candidacy.

I get that feeling too.

Originally posted by: Kal-

Originally posted by: cimat1984
As an Iowan, I think Obama has much more pull here than poll #'s let on. No one really 'likes' Hillary, and people are getting tired of the boring "inevitable" spin that mainstream media is putting on her candidacy.

I get that feeling too.

As do I.