Did you see Hillary take a beating last night? I am telling you, man, she is not electable. Most importantly, Iowa is a dead heat and she is losing ground... woohoo..
By the way, is there a bigger weasel on the planet than John Edwards? lol....
Also, Kucinich saying he was moving his campaign HQ to Roswell was the shining moment of the debate ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by: Stones I am in serious need of some friends.
Originally posted by: DieselFuel! Did you see Hillary take a beating last night? I am telling you, man, she is not electable. Most importantly, Iowa is a dead heat and she is losing ground... woohoo..
By the way, is there a bigger weasel on the planet than John Edwards? lol....
Also, Kucinich saying he was moving his campaign HQ to Roswell was the shining moment of the debate
I missed it man -ended up spending time with my son. Do you mind posting the cliff notes?
@ Kucinich given the UFO article. Haha.
35 point spread.
Originally posted by: SammySoc
Originally posted by: Kal-
Originally posted by: SammySoc Hoodies and shorts? Quit being so fucking homeless.
Originally posted by: DieselFuel! Did you see Hillary take a beating last night? I am telling you, man, she is not electable. Most importantly, Iowa is a dead heat and she is losing ground... woohoo..
By the way, is there a bigger weasel on the planet than John Edwards? lol....
Also, Kucinich saying he was moving his campaign HQ to Roswell was the shining moment of the debate
I didn't see it, but I'm glad Hillary tanked and yes, JE is a weasel.
Clinton may have given her opponents an opening to bear down on their doubletalk attack. In a convoluted answer to the same question, Clinton first said she thought New York Gov. Eliot Spitzers plan to let illegal immigrants have drivers licenses makes a lot of sense. Then she said she did not endorse Spitzers plan even though she repeated that he had the right idea. Then she accused Russert of asking a gotcha question.
Edwards leaped, noting that Clinton appeared to have given two different answers in less than two minutes.
I think this is a real issue for the country, he said. I mean, America is looking for a president who will say the same thing, who will be consistent, who will be straight with them.
Kucinich, meanwhile, was the only candidate to call for the impeachment of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. And he drew a surprised laugh from the crowd when he said he had once seen an unidentified flying object, joking, Im also going to move my campaign office to Roswell, New Mexico.
And what we were talking about, SS:
Seizing on Clintons assertion that Republicans had made her the center of their conversations and consternation, Obama said: Part of the reason that Republicans, I think, are obsessed with you, Hillary, is because thats a fight that theyre very comfortable having. It is a fight that weve been through since the 90s.
Edwards echoed Obama. If people want the status quo, Senator Clintons your candidate, he said.
While Clinton has commanding leads in most national polls, the most recent University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll, released last week, showed Clinton and Obama in a statistical dead heat, at 29 percent to 27 percent, with Edwards in the picture at 20 percent.
And we all know he who wins Iowa has the keys to the car...
Originally posted by: DieselFuel! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21548813/
Highlights:
Clinton may have given her opponents an opening to bear down on their doubletalk attack. In a convoluted answer to the same question, Clinton first said she thought New York Gov. Eliot Spitzers plan to let illegal immigrants have drivers licenses makes a lot of sense. Then she said she did not endorse Spitzers plan even though she repeated that he had the right idea. Then she accused Russert of asking a gotcha question.
Edwards leaped, noting that Clinton appeared to have given two different answers in less than two minutes.
I think this is a real issue for the country, he said. I mean, America is looking for a president who will say the same thing, who will be consistent, who will be straight with them.
Kucinich, meanwhile, was the only candidate to call for the impeachment of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. And he drew a surprised laugh from the crowd when he said he had once seen an unidentified flying object, joking, Im also going to move my campaign office to Roswell, New Mexico.
And what we were talking about, SS:
Seizing on Clintons assertion that Republicans had made her the center of their conversations and consternation, Obama said: Part of the reason that Republicans, I think, are obsessed with you, Hillary, is because thats a fight that theyre very comfortable having. It is a fight that weve been through since the 90s.
Edwards echoed Obama. If people want the status quo, Senator Clintons your candidate, he said.
While Clinton has commanding leads in most national polls, the most recent University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll, released last week, showed Clinton and Obama in a statistical dead heat, at 29 percent to 27 percent, with Edwards in the picture at 20 percent.
And we all know he who wins Iowa has the keys to the car...
Originally posted by: cimat1984 If hillary is nominated, I give the dems only a 30% chance of winning the presidency.
30? Are you high? Let me rephrase that, are you mental?
Cimat, your pic in the pic thread blew me away, you looked nothing like what I envisioned. lol
Maj, ya saying his assessment is too generous or what? If so, you and DF are saying the same thing. We talked about this lastnight on Vent. He is adamant she wont get the nod -and is most likely right given the pitiful performance of the "world's smartest woman".
35 point spread.
Originally posted by: SammySoc
Originally posted by: Kal-
Originally posted by: SammySoc Hoodies and shorts? Quit being so fucking homeless.
Originally posted by: cimat1984 If hillary is nominated, I give the dems only a 30% chance of winning the presidency.
30? Are you high? Let me rephrase that, are you mental?
Cimat, your pic in the pic thread blew me away, you looked nothing like what I envisioned. lol
Maj, ya saying his assessment is too generous or what? If so, you and DF are saying the same thing. We talked about this lastnight on Vent. He is adamant she wont get the nod -and is most likely right given the pitiful performance of the "world's smartest woman".
DF and I are on the same page.....and why didn't you send me the vent info? Too busy looking at internet pron and talking poliiics at the same time?
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
Originally posted by: cimat1984 If hillary is nominated, I give the dems only a 30% chance of winning the presidency.
30? Are you high? Let me rephrase that, are you mental?
Cimat, your pic in the pic thread blew me away, you looked nothing like what I envisioned. lol
Maj, ya saying his assessment is too generous or what? If so, you and DF are saying the same thing. We talked about this lastnight on Vent. He is adamant she wont get the nod -and is most likely right given the pitiful performance of the "world's smartest woman".
DF and I are on the same page.....and why didn't you send me the vent info? Too busy looking at internet pron and talking poliiics at the same time?
Originally posted by: Mackadoody She's the worst type of politician.
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
Ok, that's another point for DF. 35 point spread.
Originally posted by: SammySoc
Originally posted by: Kal-
Originally posted by: SammySoc Hoodies and shorts? Quit being so fucking homeless.
Originally posted by: Mackadoody She's the worst type of politician.
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
Actually, you know exactly where a cheap two dollar whore stands for (or kneels for, rather). Allow me to give an example...
Neechoo: Here's two dollars, suck my dick.
Two dollar whore: Okay.
vs...
Neechoo: Here's two dollars, suck my dick.
Hillary: I agree with sucking your dick, I just don't endorse it, but thank you for your campaign contribution.
Neechoo: WTF??? Post edited by Neechoo Cheeska at 10/31/2007 9:00:18 AM
I thought John Edwards won the debate last night. He comes off as way less of a politician then either Hillary or Obama. I don't see how you guys can call him weaselly. All the other dem candidates are just in the way now.
I did find Obama bashing Romney to be pretty amusing. And it was refreshing to hear Biden straight out call Guiliani unqualified, cause well, he is.
To me, Edwards is a total weasel. He never promotes his own agenda, he simply snipes everyone else's. I also have to disagree, to me Obama is the only candidate I have seen that seems even relatively real and genuine, and he is the only one I have seen yet willing to take and stick to unpopular stances.
Originally posted by: Mackadoody She's the worst type of politician.
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
LOL...this makes me laugh. show me one politician who doesn't do that.
Originally posted by: DieselFuel! To me, Edwards is a total weasel. He never promotes his own agenda, he simply snipes everyone else's. I also have to disagree, to me Obama is the only candidate I have seen that seems even relatively real and genuine, and he is the only one I have seen yet willing to take and stick to unpopular stances.
They all suck...republican's and democrats. I would love just once before I die, to be able to vote for someone I think will make a good president vs. having to choose between the lesser of the two evils.
Originally posted by: Mackadoody She's the worst type of politician.
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
if she always jumps to the most popular wouldn't you then always know what she stands for because it would always be the most popular?
Originally posted by: Mackadoody She's the worst type of politician.
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
LOL...this makes me laugh. show me one politician who doesn't do that.
Originally posted by: Mackadoody She's the worst type of politician.
Whatever side of the fence seems the most popular, she'll jump to it. Which means, you DON'T know what she stands for... she's like a cheap, two dollar whore.
LOL...this makes me laugh. show me one politician who doesn't do that.
Ron Paul (but he'll never win)
I like Ron for the Reps and Obama for the Dems, because they both seem to be straight shooters for the most part.
Dennis is a nut job. He is a joke in Ohio. The people that elected him cleary are not on the same level of reality that most are. He makes Obama look conservative.
As soon as we start seeing Bill talk on more debates I think Hillary is gonna swat obamba. She has the black and female votes. That will tip the win to her
I have talked to SS before, he is a cool cat. Speaks his mind and allows you to speak yours. Honestly, he is pretty much what I expected. I would pub with him anytime
Originally posted by: Mackadoody Bush is a straight shooter. He says what he means, and means what he says.
You mean before he became president? Where are those videos of all the contradicting things he has said... nation building etccccc
No... I don't think he's contradicting himself... I think he actually THINKS he can rebuild a nation.
It's his execution that's piss poor... That's the entirety of the war in Iraq. Poor execution. Poor planning.
Originally posted by: Mackadoody Bush is a straight shooter. He says what he means, and means what he says.
You mean before he became president? Where are those videos of all the contradicting things he has said... nation building etccccc
That is more a result of his complete lack of knowledge when it came to foreign policy. He was clueless, and when shit hit the fan he got his advice from neo-cons like Dick Cheney. Still 100% his fault, but I certainly don't think it was intentional.
I bet my dad 100 bucks Obama would be elected as the Dem candidate.
If I lose, I hold DF and a majority of the other TWL posters here responsible, for the 5 other threads about how Obama will definitely win. I accept paypal
No... I don't think he's contradicting himself... I think he actually THINKS he can rebuild a nation.
No, I think he means his campaign platforms from his initial campaigns where he is on record as saying things like "I don't believe we should use our military as nation builders" and his statements about not using them for regime changes, etc.
I bet my dad 100 bucks Obama would be elected as the Dem candidate.
If I lose, I hold DF and a majority of the other TWL posters here responsible, for the 5 other threads about how Obama will definitely win. I accept paypal
I don't think Obama is a lock, I just think Hillary faltering late is a lock. She is unelectable and her own party knows it.
Originally posted by: Mackadoody I think he actually THINKS he can rebuild a nation.
No I know. But I'm pretty sure he absolutely did not support nation building and getting involved in that kind of foreign policy before he was elected. Only to flip years later. Just one of the things he completely changed his stance on after he became prez. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wouldnt consider that a 'straight shooter'
I bet my dad 100 bucks Obama would be elected as the Dem candidate.
If I lose, I hold DF and a majority of the other TWL posters here responsible, for the 5 other threads about how Obama will definitely win. I accept paypal
I don't think Obama is a lock, I just think Hillary faltering late is a lock. She is unelectable and her own party knows it.
Dude you could have said that in the threads from 3 months ago You were all so convincing back then
Originally posted by: Mackadoody I think he actually THINKS he can rebuild a nation.
No I know. But I'm pretty sure he absolutely did not support nation building and getting involved in that kind of foreign policy before he was elected. Only to flip years later. Just one of the things he completely changed his stance on after he became prez. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wouldnt consider that a 'straight shooter'
Still goes in line with his whole "Git them terrerists!" platform... The current situation we're in is due to his lack of competence in handling post-war rebuilding. He finished daddy's job, but didn't know how to clean up his mess.
Again... goes back to the lightbulb analogy.
Still, the whole culture over there is nuts... We're damned if we did, damned if we don't.
You could have an Al Queada dude go into an Iraqi home... Shoot the dad, rape the mom, and then convince the kids that it's the fault of the Americans. Fast forward 10 years, the kids are wearing IEDs on busses.
I loved it when Edwards said that nobody on the stage can claim they are a saint or something like that. WTF? Basically, we all have our hands deep in the pockets of special interests. What a moment of clarity! It's funny that they are all trying to appear to be Washington outsiders, yet they are all the same old shit.
Biden, the only guy I would vote for rips Giuliani for riping Hilary. As Hilary sat there nodding her head in agreement. Well Hilary, tell us what are your qualification to be President? All we get out of her is I'm going to give this group money and that group money, but I don't want to answer hypothetical questions. Biden pretty much lost me when he critized Giuliani, but somehow left Hilary out of the equation. IMO Obama is in the same boat as Hilary.
I didn't know Hilary was running on the qualifications of being first lady! WTF is that shit? According to her, she is more than qualified based on public records that are located in the Clinton library which are slowly being released to the public. I'm glad Russert hammered her on that. All she said was I'm for the process! The process of slowly revealing to the public what your role was in Bill's White House.
Side note: Mitt ripped Hilary's qualifications by saying she has never run a business, city, state or government, what makes her think she would be qualified for running a country? The funny part was at the end when he said, now's not the time to have an intern in the Oval Office!
I know there's a double meaning to that, but we really don't need a politician working for us. We need someone who has run a business, city, state or government.
Ten minutes is all I can take, so that's it! Post edited by Cocytus at 10/31/2007 10:38:03 AM
It is so strange to me that hardly any of you thought about that before the war. I argued with so many people over this but everyone was so caught up about Saddam being a 'bad man'..