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pheirce
Tin Foil HatTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 04:34
from here:


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"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" --Hillary MarxClinton
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"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry, Democratic Primary Debate, 5/03/03
Mich
TWL Staff
2004-10-08 07:05
Im one of those 72%. I dont know anyone in my unit that is even thinking about voting for Kerry.
cimat1984
But it's organic poop!TeamWarfare VetTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 07:17
Yes, I do care about what the troops want. If they want to support Bush, that's their choice. I do not support Bush's war without end, and I will not support because a certain group of people do.

I have the utmost respect for the members of our armed forces,but, my vote stands for David Cobb, the only canidate with a plan to actually get our troops out of Iraq.


Post edited by cimat1984 at 10/8/2004 7:18:36 AM

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cimat1984
But it's organic poop!TeamWarfare VetTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 07:30
Do you care what the Iraqi people want?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5217874/site/newsweek/

"A U.S.-sponsored poll shows Iraqis have lost confidence in the occupying authorities—and that the majority of Iraqis want Coalition troops out of the country."


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TheTerminator97
Banned Until 12/2011
2004-10-08 07:37
The difference is that these people are the ones fighting in Iraq. That might tell you something.
penny^
Tailside Up
2004-10-08 07:41
Um.. you're right. The troops will vote for Bush so everyone else should.
The Mortician
1 week vacation (or until I can contribute something other than flames)
2004-10-08 07:43
pizza
TheTerminator97
Banned Until 12/2011
2004-10-08 07:46
Originally posted by: The Mortician
pizza


Pizza Hut is the best.
cimat1984
But it's organic poop!TeamWarfare VetTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 07:50
Originally posted by: The Mortician
pizza


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cimat1984
But it's organic poop!TeamWarfare VetTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 07:51
Originally posted by: TheTerminator97
The difference is that these people are the ones fighting in Iraq. That might tell you something.


Who? The U.S. troops or Iraqi's?

Sometimes two people can be in the same situation and hold two totally different views on what is going on.


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Pharcyded
Don't bother me RAWR
2004-10-08 08:43
is david cobb superman?
Bunks
BedsTeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 08:57
This just in :The vast majority of the Werhmact troops support their leader's decision.

Oh, sorry...wrong war, wrong time.
MrPerfect.
Teamwarfare VetPick me!
2004-10-08 09:14
Originally posted by: cimat1984
Do you care what the Iraqi people want?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5217874/site/newsweek/

"A U.S.-sponsored poll shows Iraqis have lost confidence in the occupying authorities—and that the majority of Iraqis want Coalition troops out of the country."



Look at the source of the poll..lol..newsweek another leftwing rag with a anti-bush agenda.

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DySrHyThMiA
TWL Member
2004-10-08 09:22
LOL Yes yes it is
~~Snake~~
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 09:35
Originally posted by: pheirce
from here:



Nice Pheirce...

And whats even more telling is these are the very men and women in harms way daily. They understand what this is about. They know this isnt some small front just against Osama. Its about making change in a region that desparately needs it.
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82nd Mofo
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 09:50
is nobody else reading into the fact that even those charts show that 25% dont want him back? I wonder how much of that 25% are the people actually in harms way, not giving out socks to the FNG's in kuwait. They're supposed to love him blindly 100% just like i did, yet 1/4 dont.

Your question in the thread title is about as poorly made as they come...ill give another example, numbers slightly off.

95% of african americans will vote for kerry. Do you care about african americans?

60% of ohio will will vote for kerry. Do you care about people in ohio?

See what im saying?
-TheDuke-
Retired AA Admin
2004-10-08 10:25
Soldiers feel a need to support the president. They simply don't want to appear disloyal. This is why most soldiers who have spoken out against this administration have done it on the condition of anonymity.
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The logic of Snake:
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
I was denied getting into OSU at first because of Minority quotas. If I was black it wouldnt have been a problem. Its sad that I was denied on my skin, but I learned from it.
~~Snake~~
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 10:34
Originally posted by: 82nd Mofo
is nobody else reading into the fact that even those charts show that 25% dont want him back? I wonder how much of that 25% are the people actually in harms way, not giving out socks to the FNG's in kuwait. They're supposed to love him blindly 100% just like i did, yet 1/4 dont.

Your question in the thread title is about as poorly made as they come...ill give another example, numbers slightly off.

95% of african americans will vote for kerry. Do you care about african americans?

60% of ohio will will vote for kerry. Do you care about people in ohio?

See what im saying?


first off you are wrong. Bush will win Ohio! And your figure on african americans is skewed. Blacks in Urban areas who rely on social programs will vote for kerry. But there is a growing segment of black business owners and professionals who will vote for Bush. Those who want handouts will always vote for a president who believes in socialism.
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 10/8/2004 10:36:22 AM
samUwell
TeamWarfare VetTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 10:34
Originally posted by: 82nd Mofo
is nobody else reading into the fact that even those charts show that 25% dont want him back? I wonder how much of that 25% are the people actually in harms way, not giving out socks to the FNG's in kuwait. They're supposed to love him blindly 100% just like i did, yet 1/4 dont.

Your question in the thread title is about as poorly made as they come...ill give another example, numbers slightly off.

95% of african americans will vote for kerry. Do you care about african americans?

60% of ohio will will vote for kerry. Do you care about people in ohio?

See what im saying?



whats Ohio?


Organic
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 10:36
From a republicans website with sources from the Army times. Wasn't it Bush that screened all the people who came to each thanksgiving dinner with him in Iraq?

Give me a break. Atleast I know the majority of national guard from my area are voting kerry.
~~Snake~~
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 10:37
Originally posted by: Organic
From a republicans website with sources from the Army times. Wasn't it Bush that screened all the people who came to each thanksgiving dinner with him in Iraq?

Give me a break. Atleast I know the majority of national guard from my area are voting kerry.


They are what we call outliers

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ZiPLoCk
TWL Member
2004-10-08 10:47
Originally posted by: pheirce
from here:



-you sound just like bush when he says 'you are either with us, or against us.'

it must be rather nice to have such a simple view of the world, so black and white. it seems you are implying if u do not support bush, u do not care about the troops. it's a nice way to make your point of view seem so righteous. but logically it is a farce.
~~Snake~~
TWL Member
2004-10-08 10:50
Sure paints a good picture from the people who know more about fighting terror, etc.

I can see why the left is so pissed. It shows Kerry isnt respected like Bush
Vote Bush 2004!
Screw the UN(Corrupt and ineffective)
Protect the Enviroment(It's our home)
VOTE to stop ILLEGAL Immigration
ZiPLoCk
TWL Member
2004-10-08 10:54
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Sure paints a good picture from the people who know more about fighting terror, etc.

I can see why the left is so pissed. It shows Kerry isnt respected like Bush


what the heck r u talkin about. so inherently, because you are a private in the military, you know more about the politics and methods to fight an intricate global war on terror?

oky doky.
Mackadoody
Who's your daddy?
2004-10-08 10:57
My bud in Italy with the 173rd is voting Bush.

the 173rd spent over a year in Iraq... and he's still a Bush kinda guy.
~~Snake~~
TWL Member
2004-10-08 10:58
Originally posted by: ZiPLoCk
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Sure paints a good picture from the people who know more about fighting terror, etc.

I can see why the left is so pissed. It shows Kerry isnt respected like Bush


what the heck r u talkin about. so inherently, because you are a private in the military, you know more about the politics and methods to fight an intricate global war on terror?

oky doky.


So you are now gonna try and argue that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have less info about whats going on over there than some putz in Hollywood or Massachussetts?
Vote Bush 2004!
Screw the UN(Corrupt and ineffective)
Protect the Enviroment(It's our home)
VOTE to stop ILLEGAL Immigration
ZiPLoCk
TWL Member
2004-10-08 11:06
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Originally posted by: ZiPLoCk
Originally posted by: ~~Snake~~
Sure paints a good picture from the people who know more about fighting terror, etc.

I can see why the left is so pissed. It shows Kerry isnt respected like Bush


what the heck r u talkin about. so inherently, because you are a private in the military, you know more about the politics and methods to fight an intricate global war on terror?

oky doky.


So you are now gonna try and argue that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have less info about whats going on over there than some putz in Hollywood or Massachussetts?


-they may know more about what is in their immediate physical location that someone stateside, but about geopolitics and things of that nature that come into play when picking a leader? being in the military does not equal inherently more knowledge about that.

i feel i do care about what the troops want, if that can be defined by: a more intelligent, methodical war on terror, while keeping america safe in the world and maintaining a strong position in a global alliance,

to help defend its borders at home, make america prosper at home, and to help keep them as safe as possible by being more thorough in how the military is led to fight this war on terror,

and taking some of the burden off american troops through stronger alliances, both with other troops on the ground, and also with stronger co-operation with intelligence agencies, stopping terror before it happens without having to resort to full-scale ground warfare.

then yeah, i care a lot about what the troops want.
~~Snake~~
TWL Member
2004-10-08 11:08
What country did you think specifically that would take the burden off the US troops..France? Germany? who?

ViperX
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 11:09
What was your point with this phierce? That military folks are on the whole conservative? Be still my heart!
Mackadoody
Who's your daddy?
2004-10-08 11:12
Originally posted by: ViperX
What was your point with this phierce? That military folks are on the whole conservative? Be still my heart!


WAIT!!!

If military folks are mostly conservative... how can they be mostly minority?!?!?!?

(oh wait, that's a different thread )

Okay, go back to your discussion....
~~Snake~~
TWL Member
2004-10-08 11:13
Originally posted by: ViperX
What was your point with this phierce? That military folks are on the whole conservative? Be still my heart!


Then why do you have posters here claiming the opposite?
Vote Bush 2004!
Screw the UN(Corrupt and ineffective)
Protect the Enviroment(It's our home)
VOTE to stop ILLEGAL Immigration
Coba|t
On Probation Granted by TotalCarnage
2004-10-08 11:14
Whats the rest of the data look like pheirce? sample size? margin of error?
Mackadoody
Who's your daddy?
2004-10-08 11:16
Originally posted by: Mich
Im one of those 72%. I dont know anyone in my unit that is even thinking about voting for Kerry.
82nd Mofo
TWL Member
2004-10-08 12:53
Originally posted by: Organic
From a republicans website with sources from the Army times. Wasn't it Bush that screened all the people who came to each thanksgiving dinner with him in Iraq?

Give me a break. Atleast I know the majority of national guard from my area are voting kerry.

the enlisted folk at my unit, also voting kerry. officers will probably toe the line.
pheirce
Tin Foil HatTWL Contributor
2004-10-08 13:10
Originally posted by: Bunks
This just in :The vast majority of the Werhmact troops support their leader's decision.

Oh, sorry...wrong war, wrong time.


yeah. because these troops aren't bright enough to realize that the liberation of Iraqis is not a bit different than the genocide of Jews.

stop saying stupid stuff.


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"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" --Hillary MarxClinton
"the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God." -- John F. Kennedy
"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry, Democratic Primary Debate, 5/03/03
Evil Napkin
Retired Admin
2004-10-08 13:15
How many were polled?



moshi moshi
Mr. Admin is watching you!
2004-10-08 13:32
Originally posted by: pheirce
Originally posted by: Bunks
This just in :The vast majority of the Werhmact troops support their leader's decision.

Oh, sorry...wrong war, wrong time.


yeah. because these troops aren't bright enough to realize that the liberation of Iraqis is not a bit different than the genocide of Jews.





last time i checked Iraq was still occupied by the US. Out goes one opressor, in comes another.
^TweEk^
TeamWarfare Vet
2004-10-08 13:39
Originally posted by: moshi moshi
Originally posted by: pheirce
Originally posted by: Bunks
This just in :The vast majority of the Werhmact troops support their leader's decision.

Oh, sorry...wrong war, wrong time.


yeah. because these troops aren't bright enough to realize that the liberation of Iraqis is not a bit different than the genocide of Jews.





last time i checked Iraq was still occupied by the US. Out goes one opressor, in comes another.


Don't like the US much do you.
~~Snake~~
TWL Member
2004-10-08 13:44
Originally posted by: moshi moshi
Originally posted by: pheirce
Originally posted by: Bunks
This just in :The vast majority of the Werhmact troops support their leader's decision.

Oh, sorry...wrong war, wrong time.


yeah. because these troops aren't bright enough to realize that the liberation of Iraqis is not a bit different than the genocide of Jews.





last time i checked Iraq was still occupied by the US. Out goes one opressor, in comes another.


Yea America is the Oppressor. Is this whats taught in Indonesia schools? You havent been taught enough inaccurate info for the day.
Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 10/8/2004 2:12:57 PM
Evil Napkin
Retired Admin
2004-10-08 13:48
Originally posted by: Evil Napkin
How many were polled?



Also to add:

What were the percentage of each grade polled? (i.e E-1 to E-9 and O-1 to 0-10)
Also what was the ratio of male to females polled?