Leagues: Offical Maplist & Dates - 12v12 & 8v8

TWL is proud to announce that signups are now open for our upcoming leagues.

12v12 Conquest
8v8 Conquest



12v12:

Matches will be held TUESDAY nights, default time 9:30pm EST

Pre-Season:

Dec 6: Operation Metro
Dec. 13: Operation Firestorm
Jan. 3: TBD - Gulf of Oman

Season:

Jan. 10: Damavand Peak
Jan. 17: Siene Crossing
Jan. 24: Noshahr Canals
Jan. 31: Kharg Island
Feb. 7: Strike At Karkand
Feb. 14: Sharqi Peninsula
Feb. 21: Operation Firestorm
Feb. 28: Grand Bazaar

Playoffs: TOP 8 Teams
Mar. 6: TBD
Mar. 13: TBD
Mar. 20: TBD



8v8:

Matches will be held WEDNESDAY nights, default time 9:30pm EST

Pre-Season:

Dec 7: Operation Metro
Dec. 14: Operation Firestorm
Jan. 4: TBD - Gulf of Oman

Season:

Jan. 11: Damavand Peak
Jan. 18: Siene Crossing
Jan. 25: Noshahr Canals
Feb. 1: Kharg Island
Feb. 8: Strike At Karkand
Feb. 15: Sharqi Peninsula
Feb. 22: Operation Firestorm
Feb. 29: Grand Bazaar

Playoffs: TOP 8 Teams
Mar. 7: TBD
Mar. 14: TBD
Mar. 21: TBD

Post edited by SixShotSean at 1/3/2012 1:39:33 PM

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TWL|MadChild
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Wewt Wewt!
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THERE'S TOO MANY DAMN TRUCKS ON THIS LEVEL.

nice

Operation Metro was bad enough for 8v8, why would you even consider it for 12v12? And yes,I realize it's preseason only. Put Caspian in instead, or just drop preseason to two weeks instead of three.

What are the rules regarding scheduling? I have some teammates who might not be able to play on thursday nights due to jobs

Originally posted by: nbF_Raven
What are the rules regarding scheduling? I have some teammates who might not be able to play on thursday nights due to jobs

In the past, teams were allowed to play at an earlier date but not a later one. I assume it's still the same.
Post edited by chad` at 11/13/2011 3:16:02 PM

Teams will be allowed to reschedule for earlier in the week, but ALL matches must be played by the scheduled day.

Of course, you have to get your opponent to agree in match comms.

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TWL|MadChild
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No Caspian in 12v12? No Tehran in 8v8?
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So its my understanding that 2 of the maps during the regular season are from the upcoming DLC. For the 1st season is it really a good idea to put unplayed maps into the rotation?

Originally posted by: DoomsDay954
So its my understanding that 2 of the maps during the regular season are from the upcoming DLC. For the 1st season is it really a good idea to put unplayed maps into the rotation?

These are remade maps from BF2 and they were extremely popular. I can't imagine they won't work for competition unless they have majorly changed the elements of the maps. From all the media I've seen though, the maps look just like the originals with the BF3 feel added in. Even though we haven't played on them in BF3, I still wouldn't call these maps "unplayed".
Post edited by ]BoS[whizperz at 11/17/2011 8:30:56 AM

Whizperz, I do completely agree with you that the maps will probably end up being good. By unplayed, I did not mean in the sense of never before seen, more potential glitches and bugs. Nothing it perfect when it first comes out.

I am rather excited about the maps, this was just a small concern for me and some of my members.

There is also the small issue of it being paid DLC. While most get it for free because of pre-orders, some people may be hesitant to jump head first into a game. First season typically revolves around people actually wanting to see if they even want to compete in the game long term.

Originally posted by: frijoles
What are thoughts on 12v12 Tuesday, 8v8 Wednesday, 9PM EST?

If 4v4 squad rush stays popular, there's discussion about adding that!

Chime in!

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TWL|Everlast
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Metro on anything conquest is an absolutely bad idea.

its preseason, there is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a map in preseason then a few weeks later playing it in regulation season.

Just sub it out, all good, and we all would love you.

Suggestions:

12v12
Take out Metro
Take out Damavand Peak
Take out Grand Bazaar
Add - Tehran Highway Large
Add - Caspian Border
Make Sienne Crossing Large


8v8
Take out Metro
Take out Kharg Island
Take out Firestorm
Add Tehran Highway
Add One More Here - I have no idea what map

I see what you were trying to do by synchronizing the lists, but honestly, that's not a good idea. You should run the two leagues like they're separate entities. Some of the maps just don't work well in both.

Originally posted by: *FMJ*Everlast

Originally posted by: frijoles
What are thoughts on 12v12 Tuesday, 8v8 Wednesday, 9PM EST?

If 4v4 squad rush stays popular, there's discussion about adding that!

Chime in!

im down for this

Originally posted by: Shades22
Suggestions:

12v12
Take out Metro
Take out Damavand Peak
Take out Grand Bazaar
Add - Tehran Highway Large
Add - Caspian Border
Make Sienne Crossing Large


8v8
Take out Metro
Take out Kharg Island
Take out Firestorm
Add Tehran Highway
Add One More Here - I have no idea what map

I see what you were trying to do by synchronizing the lists, but honestly, that's not a good idea. You should run the two leagues like they're separate entities. Some of the maps just don't work well in both.

+1

The scheduling sounds good. Another question, when do signups for 8v8 end? Will they run through preseason?

Originally posted by: djruko

Originally posted by: Shades22
Suggestions:

12v12
Take out Metro
Take out Damavand Peak
Take out Grand Bazaar
Add - Tehran Highway Large
Add - Caspian Border
Make Sienne Crossing Large


8v8
Take out Metro
Take out Kharg Island
Take out Firestorm
Add Tehran Highway
Add One More Here - I have no idea what map

I see what you were trying to do by synchronizing the lists, but honestly, that's not a good idea. You should run the two leagues like they're separate entities. Some of the maps just don't work well in both.

+1

taking out Grand Basaar for 12v12 or 8v8 would be like playing Bf2 without Machtuur. have to have some diversity, expecially for 12v12. Air, Land, Infantry, some maps are more focused on each. Keeps you on your toes. But Grand needs to be in both.

I love how our analagies have to go back to bf2. How clear the picture is to us now.

Sup Fly long time. Gain any weight?

Originally posted by: nbF_Raven
The scheduling sounds good. Another question, when do signups for 8v8 end? Will they run through preseason?

You can join during preseason, but must have a minimum roster of 6 players for the 8v8 to get added to the league.

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TWL|Everlast
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only thing that needs changing is metro to caspian.

ITS PRESEASON SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO WILLINGLY PLAY THE WORST MAP IN THIS GAME. Caspian, hell Tehran needs a chance now that lag has been fixed, please god dont make us play metro that god awful crap doesn't belong in any map list for this game ever again.

Syncing the lists is a good idea too, thanks.

Originally posted by: NT1
I love how our analagies have to go back to bf2. How clear the picture is to us now.

Sup Fly long time. Gain any weight?

Sup

The analogy wasnt so much omg lets play it like bf2 and go back in time. the analogy was meant as diversity. Mentioning Bf2 wasnt so much lets make it bf2, was more of, it works, have done it successfully in the past with this type of game, no reason to change just to change. Change to make better, all for it. Change just to change, Im weak on that.

again, Metro, as conquest, any size, is absolute ass. Thats not personal oppinion so much as group oppinion.

And its preseason, nothing wrong with playing a map, and playing it again later in regulation play. Wont hurt a thing.

why are we not playing Caspian?

Originally posted by: *FMJ*Everlast
So there is a lot of gripe with the first preseason week map Metro.

Would everyone agree to replace Metro to Caspian or a different map? We are open to suggestions but matches are a few days away.

12v12 matches will be assigned early Sunday morning.

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TWL|Everlast
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Originally posted by: *FMJ*Everlast

Originally posted by: *FMJ*Everlast
So there is a lot of gripe with the first preseason week map Metro.

Would everyone agree to replace Metro to Caspian or a different map? We are open to suggestions but matches are a few days away.

12v12 matches will be assigned early Sunday morning.

Hi, my name is Fly, and I support this message!

Ey guys... what size has the maps for conquest 8X8 or 12X12????

32 Players?

We are thinking in some strategies but we need to know the mapsize =S

Thanks a lot!

Originally posted by: GranPika
Ey guys... what size has the maps for conquest 8X8 or 12X12????

32 Players?

We are thinking in some strategies but we need to know the mapsize =S

Thanks a lot!

Both are the conquest small map sizes aka 32 man.

when exactly is 8v8 supposed to be played? Wed or Thurs? this thread says Thurs - rules day Wed but with Thursday dates...

quick note.... regulation play, Sienne small

are really going to play the small version of this?!?!?!? Where one side gets every point and can have them capped right off the start - and the other side has to fight their way across a river to just to get to a point to then fight over, and hopefully take and STILL not be off the bleed? Against ORGANISED competition teams?

Please, please, tell us its the large one!
Post edited by .Fly. at 12/5/2011 2:26:43 AM

Originally posted by: .Fly.
quick note.... regulation play, Sienne small

are really going to play the small version of this?!?!?!? Where one side gets every point and can have them capped right off the start - and the other side has to fight their way across a river to just to get to a point to then fight over, and hopefully take and STILL not be off the bleed? Against ORGANISED competition teams?

Please, please, tell us its the large one!

It's not really that lopsided Fly, though I do think the 5 point version would be better for 12v12 for bleed reasons.
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Add caspian for 12v12

Any update on the removal of the 12v12 maps from the 8v8 league?

In case its missed elsewhere, more than 24 hours notice on a map change would be REALY, REALY appreciated. It's not a huge deal cause it's preseason, but just saying. I'd rather play a crapy map and know what it is than find last minute its a different map.
Post edited by [BBF]CBoyDave at 1/2/2012 6:51:03 PM

Picture if you can, Sienne Small. There is a river, with two bridges, and 1 piece of armour on each side.

All of the control points are on 1 side of the river, two of them can be reached in about 15 seconds on foot for Rus side.

Match starts, 8v8, and one hops into the lav and hauls ass to the river bridge. Everyone but two snipers spawn on the lav or squad leaders at the river. The two snipers take the back points, and then the forward points as they come up.

6 guys, hold the bridges. the lav and 3 engies at one, 2 assault/engies at the other flanking. The snipers make it forward, setup soflams, and start picking off repair monkeys on the US lav. Now, you are under a 4 control point to zero ticket bleed, the only option is to try to flank into cover, or swim the river. And lets not forget, while swimming, there is no cover, you cant shoot and you are outlined perfectly.

Is this really what we want to play? Sienne_small? If you play Sienne_large there are two points on each side of the river and one in the middle (bridge C point). The map size changes in no way. You have a big fight over C while trying to outflank each other under level terms.

8v8 its going to be bad, 12v12, its going to be impossible unless whoever is on the RUS side is completely horrible and incompetent. Even a team thats average vs a powerhouse should be able to shut out the powerhouse on RUS. Its not a skill issue, its a map issue.

Now someone will say but its the challenge, if you can just get one point yada yada. In competition, if shouldnt be about a what if due to the map 100%. it should be about a what if due to your opponent or talking about 1 key point. Not the entire side.

End of soap box. Sienne_large for 8v8 and 12v12. balanced control points for the win.

There is no LAV on sienne small and I have no idea what your writeup is trying to explain?

I've scrimmed Sienne 8v8 many times and would say its a relatively balanced map that may favor the Russians slightly as they start in an elevated position fighting downhill from two fortress style flags (C and D)

Seine crossing is fine. Yes, the map slightly favors the RU side, but that's why you play both sides. Are you guys for real? Seine is probably the best 8v8 map in rotation right now.

Originally posted by: .Fly.
8v8 its going to be bad, 12v12, its going to be impossible unless whoever is on the RUS side is completely horrible and incompetent. Even a team thats average vs a powerhouse should be able to shut out the powerhouse on RUS. Its not a skill issue, its a map issue.

Sorry, you are wrong. An average RU team is not going to shut out a powerhouse US team.

Post edited by JackelPDW at 1/4/2012 7:12:07 PM

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THERE'S TOO MANY DAMN TRUCKS ON THIS LEVEL.