Squad Leader only spawn?

This was voted on and apparently approved? Yeah, let's change that so the remaining 75% of teams don't drop off of TWL, like they're doing already. Thaaaaanks.

This was voted on and apparently approved?

Democracy?

Originally posted by: awkword

Democracy?

it was voted against is what he meant to say

Let's dumb the game down even more and make it so you can spawn on anybody on your team.

That way you can shoot people ALL THE TIME, instead of having to actually cover ground on the maps. Let's remove the strategy from the game.

WEEEEEEEEEEE.

I like sl spawn only!

I dont mind either way really. But i feel like all leagues should have the same basic rulesets. Having various weapons / attachments banned is one thing, but the SL spawn is a pretty big deal.

If this game wants to last for more then a couple season, I think it would benefit from having almost identical basic rulesets, so that teams arent forced to split up in to different leagues.

I also think that having matching map lists would help, but thats a different topic.
Post edited by _B3a$t_ at 12/9/2011 2:35:06 PM

Originally posted by: _B3a$t_
I dont mind either way really. But i feel like all leagues should have the same basic rulesets. Having various weapons / attachments banned is one thing, but the SL spawn is a pretty big deal.

Not having a set standard for rulesets is going to kill this game early. No one wants to scrim differently and have to remember slightly different rule sets every time they play.

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Just play the other games as though SL spawn was on. In other words play as a squad and protect your SL. That's a good way to play with SL-spawn on or off.

SL-Spawn ON encourages team play and tactics. I would have thought most teams would be in favor of this?

Sending out 4 guys in different directions and then squad hopping and squad-bombing flags isn't really a tactic I'd like to see come back to Battlefield.

I hate the squad system as a whole, but it's not going anywhere given that it's been in every iteration of the series since BF2. Given a choice between the two, I would rather have Squad Leader spawn than all squad spawn any day of the week. I'm not going to quit because of it though.

Originally posted by: _B3a$t_
I dont mind either way really. But i feel like all leagues should have the same basic rulesets. Having various weapons / attachments banned is one thing, but the SL spawn is a pretty big deal.

If this game wants to last for more then a couple season, I think it would benefit from having almost identical basic rulesets, so that teams arent forced to split up in to different leagues.

I also think that having matching map lists would help, but thats a different topic.

This. I personally prefer SL-only spawning, and am somewhat surprised other leagues don't have it. However, and I don't want to say that TWL must 'go with the flow,' this difference IS significant when strating/scrimming at a high level.

Is there a way we can come together (or just the leagues) to develop a 'unified' ruleset that could be used for leagues? Maybe, in that case, 'TWL rules' (which, in terms of SL-only spawn, I like!) could apply to some leagues/ladders?

It's an unfortunate situation that could easily snuff out interesting rulesets, which sucks. I don't think something like that should be necessarily applied in totality, but perhaps it would be nice to have leagues under some 'unified rules' that could keep teams playing across all leagues.

Just my two cents.

All,

This had nothing to do with the "75%". Where ever that number came from...

I changed the rule set for the 4v4 ladders to match the 4v4 leagues as Everlast and I are trying to keep the rule sets the same. I copied them on over to the 8v8 ladders accidentally.

League and Ladder admins are doing their best to keep the rule sets similar, listen to the TWL members, and choose the fairest, competitive, and fungoing ruleset.

The 8v8 ladders will reflect SL-only spawning by this afternoon. All ladder matches from tomorrow on will be required to use them. 4v4 will continue to allow spawning on any squad member.

What other leagues decide to do outside TWL is of their own choice.

IF we decide to push the Spawn on any squad member to the 8v8 it will be done across ladders and leagues.

GLHF

Post edited by Chowder at 12/11/2011 11:45:37 AM

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I honestly feel like a lot of teams got thrown under the bus on this new rule adaptation. Basicly the way everyone found out was by looking at the ruleset all of a sudden and seeing that it had been changed. A change like this should have been clear prior to having all of these teams sign up for the leagues. This is just a nuissance for server admins, and team leaders trying to develop any sort of plan. Why would this be changed anyway, I was under the impression that the only things that had to be changed were the ones that diminished competitive play. This rule would only seperate the top teams from everyone else even more, and believe me there is already a substantial skill gap in competition.

d0min8r

I posted the change awhile back for the 4v4. See below post. Remember, 8v8 was a mistake and should not have been changed.

/forums/showthread.asp?forumid=730&threadid=476293

To my knowledge this was not a change for the 4v4 league (not even started yet). The original post reflected that SL was false.

/forums/showthread.asp?forumid=736&threadid=476561

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So the making squad leader only spawn was a mistake for 8v8/12v12 leagues/ladders but you guys are going to keep the mistake in place? I'm a little confused here. We aren't playing 4v4 right now, I'm strictly talking about the 8v8/12v12 leagues/ladders.

One of the league guys will need to answer. However, I did not say leagues anywhere in my posts. 8v8 and 12v12 leagues have been and will continue to be SL only until noted otherwise.

8v8 and 12v12 ladders should have also stayed SL only but they were accidentally changed when we changed the 4v4 rule sets.
There are no mistakes on the league rule sets.

Apologize for the confusion.

League 8v8 and 12v12 = Spawn On Squad Leader only
League 4v4 = Spawn on any squad member
Ladder 8v8 and 12v12 = Spawn on Squad Leader only
Ladder 4v4 = Spawn on any squad member
Post edited by Chowder at 12/11/2011 7:56:30 PM

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Should be:

League 8v8 and 12v12 = Spawn on any squad member
League 4v4 = Spawn on Squad Leader only
Ladder 8v8 and 12v12 = Spawn on any squad member
Ladder 4v4 = Spawn on Squad Leader only

Why because screw 4v4

SL spawn only is how it SHOULD be, cry more.

you guys do know that the SL can still spawn on anyone in the squad right? it doesn't change strategy all that much.