could you please tell me why?

ok we have punkbuster and we have CDC... point punkbuster is updated quite regularly and is tested every minute of everyday.... Point CDC is causing more Problems than what its worth,,,
just my feelings but CDC should be removed as a requirment for playing matches with the less problematic and tested punkbuster enabled,,, or you get CDC working properly because its not just members of our clan that has problems with it if you read your forums you would see that CDC is nothing but a problem,,, i can see that if we care bout the TWL match ladders we remove it or you do risk not just us but a good bunch on the ladders just leaving TWL ladders which we dont want,,,, could you GIVE US A DEFINITIVE RESPONSE TO THIS SITUATION,, FIX IT OR YOU RISK LOOSING NOT JUST US BUT ALL THE OTHERS AS WELL! they will get fed up with CDC as alot of members of the ladders are! If you would take a step back and look at the forums its it not just us and is others as well,, cdc install problems, servers down, drops from game as well as files problems, as well as not starting up the game with cdc? this is has been a ongoing problem and its not going to go away untill the problem with CDC is fixed or no longer a requirement. alot of clans are having problems just getting enough people with it working inorder to play matches,,,Willip,,,

PS flame me all you want,,, dont bother me none because you just will add Feul to my fire you started with a problematic CDC program!
Post edited by willip91[hsma] at 9/14/2003 11:05:05 PM

More than a definitive answer would be nice. A definitive solution is needed.

OK...this has been said many times...so I guess this time I will say it. Punkbuster does not always kick the cheaters it finds imeadiatly...it collects information sometimes and bans them later.

Beyond that CDC works in conjunction with punkbuster...so maybe you can get by one or the other...but probably not both.

In addition CDC is not hard to keep working for the semi literate. If you have a problem...check the forums and I'll pay dollars to doughnuts the answer is right at te t of the forums on how to fix it. Try testing CDC 30 minutes before the match in order to have time to fix any problems you find.

Some people may argue that CDC does not catch man cheaters...while that may or may not be the case it definately deters them from trying to.

My clan...[AAE]...wont play a match without it. We love TWL for the simple fact that we KNOW it is a cheat free match...and if we get owned...its our fault...not some gay script.

CDS is great. It is not hard to keep working if you just check the forums when there is a problem. It stops cheaters in there tracks. HOOUH for hydra...CDS...and clans that actually take time to prepare for a match instead of showing up 10 minutes late and finding problems then.

pretty good summary
Post edited by [AH]Dotarp at 9/15/2003 6:38:30 AM

Literate? I'll try to avoid useless slander.

This whole thread reinforces my point. I have spent hours trying to get CDC to work properly. I have read each and every thread relating to the CDC. They are all dead ends. All the troubleshooting does not work for me. I have read, and tried everything. So have others. Just because yours work properly doesn't mean everyone else's is. And we do not show up 10 minutes late. We show up half an hour before match time at least. Our last 4 matches have taken at least an hour to get everyone set up on both teams correctly, and we have ended up playing at least 2 men down.

A solution is needed, not useless put downs and endless slander from a bored guy with noting else to do.

Agreed, there are problems.

I would like to add 2 things to this thread
1) there's 2 or 3 more threads on this same subject by hsma. I think that's a bit much
2) cdc cross-platform availability is an arguement against using CDC, since the game runs on windows, linux and mac.

I have replied more usefully in the other threads

Maybe if you posted any information at all about your problems with CDC help would come. Just saying it doesn't work and shouting threats won't help you fix the problem. We aren't psychic we can't guess your pc/interent config or what is in the CDC error log on your pc.

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Thanks for the replies, I feel like I can finally get something accomplished with this. For me, CDC works well and I can appreciate the extra protection it offers. I was too upset to write a smart post last night after playing 2 peeps short on our 6X6 ladder. We did win, but that's not the point. I will get in touch with the people that had all the frustrating problems and have them detailed here. Maybe we can actually have an event-less match soon. HAHAHA
Hawkeye[hsma]

I'd sooner, except the penalties, kill a man than a hawk.

HOOAH!

i found another minus in CDC!

If u got lan (2 pc's)@ your home , and lets take for example : 1 pc is yours second is for your brother...

If the brother cheat or cheated without u knew , U get banned from CDC! dont it lame??

There is many more problems with CDS when pplz got same ip(lan) ....

I respect CDC but i am really belive more to PB!

Cuz i already saw some1 who got banned cuz his brother cheated on the second PC.

i just flat out dont trust punkbuster. i know cdc causes a lot of problems but i still thinks its worth it.Just like someone else said in there reply, punkbuster doesnt kick everyone automatically sometimes it collects information then bans them later. so pretty much if we just used punkbuster someone could cheat in a match and not get kicked from the game.

Originally posted by: [-XeA-]Col.Kling{E}
i found another minus in CDC!

If u got lan (2 pc's)@ your home , and lets take for example : 1 pc is yours second is for your brother...

If the brother cheat or cheated without u knew , U get banned from CDC! dont it lame??

CDC doesn't ban by IP. It bans by computer.
The guys "brother", or dog, or Uncle Miltie has nothing to do with it.

Good info Hydra. I did not know that.
Hawkeye[hsma]

I'd sooner, except the penalties, kill a man than a hawk.

That also means that by using a different network-card (of which I have 10's lying around) u could get around the ban I guess

CDC does not ban by MAC addy either.

Originally posted by: Deleon
That also means that by using a different network-card (of which I have 10's lying around) u could get around the ban I guess

That may work for AGA bans but CDC is smarter then that.

maddog why do you have to be so anti everything. AGA can kick your butt any day! AGA is way smarter than you in everyway so just shut up about them jees. this forums is about CDC not AGA who cares what you think abotu them just showes you are a real arse. also for everone who doesnt like TWL or CDC just go to a different leauge there are alot of them and when someone has a problime with TWL that is what they tell you to do so just do it. if you don't know any just IM me at LJD506 on aim I know alot of em.

Originally posted by: =ISR=SSJman
maddog why do you have to be so anti everything. AGA can kick your butt any day! AGA is way smarter than you in everyway so just shut up about them jees. this forums is about CDC not AGA who cares what you think abotu them just showes you are a real arse. also for everone who doesnt like TWL or CDC just go to a different leauge there are alot of them and when someone has a problime with TWL that is what they tell you to do so just do it. if you don't know any just IM me at LJD506 on aim I know alot of em.

WTF is with u? He's stating that AGA bans by MAC-address but that CDC does not. WHy do u make this an anti-AGA-issue when it IS NOT?!

Hydra/Terror: thanks for clearing that up, glad u thought of that

he said it in a anti AGA way like he is better than AGA I don't like that my slef. sorry to offend you I like you deleon.

Originally posted by: {Khuda}Maddog

Originally posted by: Deleon
That also means that by using a different network-card (of which I have 10's lying around) u could get around the ban I guess

That may work for AGA bans but CDC is smarter then that.

All he said is AGA bans by MAC address basically but that CDC does not. Big deal, he's not flaming or being anti-anything.

Okay, so since we know CDC does not ban by:

- MAC
- IP
- Username
- Ident


What DOES it ban with?
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HA|[11W]Matt-GCA
The 11th Wolverines
ICQ: 171880548

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to kill ya.....

All they said was it does not by by those individually. Do you really need to know what they ban by?

All *I* need to know to trust CDC 100 times over PB is this:

PB does not ban you for a cheat. I collects the data and does once in a while a mass ban.

PB is secure / unsecure all the time. A visit to (insert cheating website here) reveals that PB is hacked frequently - and updates frequently. Thus PB is only detecting a timeframe AND is not kicking cheaters when they enter a server, it lets them go free until they do a mass ban.
Thus: PB does not stop cheating - it does only stop cheaters to gain a high honorscore. Following this strain of thought: PB is of no use for matches (yet).

I have yet to see a Hack for CDC.

Just my 2 cents: If you don't like CDC, leave. If you don't read news about using CDC, leave. Just leave us alone so we have some cheat free matches. Thank you !

I had 3 wars (yes I'm a TWL Noob) on TWL and in each war at LEAST 30mins were needed to explain some teams howto use CDC, howto install CDC, not to run cleaner, to run the clientside patch etc...

I do not know one member of us that has a CDC problem - none, we have 30 of them. All problems I've seen raise were caused by users not able to read a goddamn FAQ !

Texas

I just don't get why CDC has more problems with running on people's systems than other programs. I know 3 people whose systems work fine running every single program, except CDC, exe...Freezing the PC up. I do not know their exact specs, so that's all I can tell you.

One other thing. To Hydra, and also to the administrative personnel. Is there anyway to incorporate the fact that when you get disconnected from the CDC, that the match should continue as long as the person doesn't leave the game? Every single time that that happens, the other teams cries "STOP THE MATCH!! He's not on CDC anymore!" And if nothing can be done to inform the morons who state the last sentence, then could you please explain the steps to take when the other team will not cooperate and says he must reconnect the entire game, and the round must be started over?

In my first post in this thread, I mentioned that we had to play a 6X6 match two people short. I also said that we won. I'm sorry Texas for WHOOPIN YOUR ASS!!! not really. We don't cheat, have never cheated and will remain cheat free forever. This is as much a part of our clan as putting the tag on. This post was NOT to be a lambasting of people or their clans, whether directly or indirectly. Our problem remains the same.

I am still trying to get my guys to post the info so we can straighten them out so that our ladder matches go off with less of a hitch. Hopefully soon as we have another match coming up. I don't wanna try that 4X6 tactic again.
Hawkeye[hsma]

I'd sooner, except the penalties, kill a man than a hawk.

Keep it on topic please. no need to turn this into a flame thread.

Any info on procedure of disconnection and if the other team refuses to go on?