cdc still needs some serious work

peeps are still cheating with this thing they are double launching and using hacks i watch a guy in match leave the game at start but never leave cdc server. i know he double launched and used hack. Sry just bitching cause i can't stand getting cheating and not being able to do nothing about it.

Amen the same thing but he didnt show up on cdc at all on my playerlist and then nothing but 1 2 shot kills time after time.....Also i keep getting connection error and then it crashes my hole comp.

This is not the place for this. If you have a cheat accusation email an admin. Don't bring it in here.

Originally posted by: -=[10thSFG]=-God

This is not the place for this. If you have a cheat accusation email an admin. Don't bring it in here.

I dissagree. They're not openly accusing anyone specific, they are pointing out POSSIBLE flaws with the program. Isn't that what they're supposed to do here????

I say let the admins admin the forum, that's what they are here for.
Post edited by =BB=xPATRIOTSx at 6/2/2003 12:18:35 AM

Originally posted by: -=nØs=-Scarface420

peeps are still cheating with this thing they are double launching and using hacks i watch a guy in match leave the game at start but never leave cdc server. i know he double launched and used hack. Sry just bitching cause i can't stand getting cheating and not being able to do nothing about it.

There are things we can check in the logs regarding this, could you please send your ladder admin AND me the following info:

1) Match who vs who
2) IP of server you played match on
3) what CDS server you used
4) who you think may have cheated.
5) SS from setup rounds in JPG (readable please)

Hydra has done a lot of work regarding this, but we are not going to say what we do, rest assured we can tell if something funny wen't on. It takes some digging in the logs, but it is all there.

If im 100% sure I found a cheater in a match I will come down as a ton of bricks on the team/player regardless if the match result has been reported or not.

I hate cheating and teams who has players cheating will find themself near the buttom of the ladder...


Post edited by [SAS] Shadows at 6/2/2003 6:20:02 AM

Originally posted by: =BB=xPATRIOTSx

Originally posted by: -=[10thSFG]=-God

This is not the place for this. If you have a cheat accusation email an admin. Don't bring it in here.

I dissagree. They're not openly accusing anyone specific, they are pointing out POSSIBLE flaws with the program. Isn't that what they're supposed to do here????

I say let the admins admin the forum, that's what they are here for.

Point taken... but I still disagree. If u leave AA CDC will cancel it if u try to start it. (If I remember right) You can disconnect from the AA server, and connect to it or another one again, but not if u Quit AA.
Post edited by -=[10thSFG]=-God at 6/2/2003 9:02:52 AM

Folks, its not like this hasn't been thought of.As Shadows said, email him the information. Takes a bit of digging, but the info is there.

So are you saying that we have to dispute in order to have a hack or double launch detected? And how would we know that that happened? I thought the purpose of CDC was to prevent a player from logging into a server with cheats? This seems like we should dispute every match if we loose just to see if that is occoring instead of it telling us up front.

Originally posted by: Harry[PoT]Head

So are you saying that we have to dispute in order to have a hack or double launch detected? And how would we know that that happened? I thought the purpose of CDC was to prevent a player from logging into a server with cheats? This seems like we should dispute every match if we loose just to see if that is occoring instead of it telling us up front.

no need, I tend to scan the logs every now and then, also if you launced a second version of AA, CDC would shut it down.

I'm not going into what else we do, there is a reason why we removed the ability to download the server log.

on a general note: Check that all are connected to CDC at each setup round and when someone reconnect and you are free from cheats 99.999% of the time.

so if scarface can show that he can double launch and use a cheat go ahead and prove it to me.

Your cds programm is seriously flawed. Cheats are still rampant and are ruining ladder matches. I have 70 honor and have been playing the game long enough to be able to spot a cheat when I see one. You guys need to get it together and do someting about this situation because it is getting out of hand. I'm sad to say this but I will no longer be playing on twl untill something is done.

Originally posted by: -={STS}=-renb

Your cds programm is seriously flawed. Cheats are still rampant and are ruining ladder matches. I have 70 honor and have been playing the game long enough to be able to spot a cheat when I see one. You guys need to get it together and do someting about this situation because it is getting out of hand. I'm sad to say this but I will no longer be playing on twl untill something is done.

Just curious, did you report any of these rampant cheats to an admin? Were they using CDC when they were cheating? If you did report them did any of them get caught? Not asking for names BTW

To reply to both -={STS}=-:

First, its ability to detect cheats is not flawed. Unless you know how the cheats work and how CDC checks, then you're making an assumption on a subject you know nothing about.

Modified .u hacks- require certain files to be altered. There's no way around it. Those files have to reside in a specific place. The changes are easy to find.

EH- again, by your own admission, you have no idea how it works. They can put it wherever they want, it'll still get found. It HAS to be functioning on the machine running the game to work. And for a program to work, there's always a way to find it. Especially something that works like EH does.

We went to great lengths to get agreements from those making the hacks not to purposely develope workarounds to CDC, and they all a greed. Including EvilBert, the guy who makes EvilHAck. These agreements were publicly posted.

Now, try reading the sticky thread in the official forums by the PB dev's. You will see that they also agree that there's no way to stop 100% of the cheating in any game. More like 90%. Our goal is the same.

As for getting shot through buildings...Well,ummm, that's kinda impossible at the moment, unless it was penetration damage. Apparently you do not know the physics of the engine being used. A hack that renders walls invisible to projectiles is extremely hard to do and resource intensive. That's why it took so long for penetration damage.

They don't even have a hack to allow seeing through the walls yet, let alone shoot through them.
Post edited by psicotic1 at 6/7/2003 5:22:55 AM

Originally posted by: -={STS}=-renb

Your cds programm is seriously flawed. Cheats are still rampant and are ruining ladder matches. I have 70 honor and have been playing the game long enough to be able to spot a cheat when I see one. You guys need to get it together and do someting about this situation because it is getting out of hand. I'm sad to say this but I will no longer be playing on twl untill something is done.

Umm, its not our responsibility to ANYTHING regarding cheats. We work with what we have. Talk to the game developers.

If you want to leave, that's fine.

Your honor means little here. There are plenty of people who know the game far better than most and have a very low honor because they rarely play on official servers.

Look i know it's not your responsability to rid the game of hacks, but it is yours to keep ladder matches fair for all. If you think Evil Bert is the only one developping hacks for this game then you are terribly mistaken. There are many smaller hacks out there including vesting and wall hacks.You should check up on them before posting. Just because you can't get them on the obvious sites doesn't meen they don't exist. Also, if you read some of the cheat forums, it is fairly easy to get around cdc but most cheaters think that it is lame to cheat on twl and won't do it. I guess the guys we played last night thought differently. And as for the honor thing, who said anything about skill? I'm trying to point out that I've played this game LONG ENOUGH to get 70 honor and can tell most of the time when someone is cheating(I've caught 6 so far on official servers).I'm not trying to flame you or your product...I appreciate the effort being made to clean out this game. I just think it need some more work and untill then I will not play on TWl. It's my choice and I'm not asking you to cry for me but players should know that not all matches are being played fairly.

I have to agree with the thought that someone has found a way to bypass CDC. i have been playing this game since 1.2.1 was released and i have a pretty good grasp on how this game can be played.when someone gets repeated kills thru fog or is always shooting right at you no matter hard you try to hide you movements(ie changing windows to look thru)it is pretty obvious that he is using some kind of hack. We had a match that was obviously lost to cheaters. the other team requested an MO, but gave him the wrong port number for the server. it just happened to be an MO that is on my contacts list for msn so i gave him the right port. unfortunately it was too late for him to observer much. I too have the utmost respect for what you all are trying to do with CDC. But it is beyond me why you would think that a guy that makes cheats wouldn't lie about creating a way around CDC. He makes game cheats, its not like moral values are real high on his list of personality traits. I think you are all taking as flaming when we are just trying to point out what is obvious to those of us that play on a daily basis. I personally play way more than the average person(125hrs in the last 41 days)and feel pretty confident that i can spot a cheater. i have no problems losing to a team that plays fair, but when i get cheated out of a win it really gets under my skin. S take this for what it is an attempt to bring a problem to your attention not an attempt to rant and rave that you arent doing enough. it isnt your responsibilty to make the game cheat free, but you have gone thru the trouble of developing a tool to keep them out of TWL and we love the idea so we are going to give you anything we find in an attempt to help better eliminate the cheats.

Read them? I SUBSCRIBE to them. I get notified by 95% everytime someone comes asking for a hack. They send me email addresses and IP's to cross check.

Now, if you want to email me a link regarding people getting around CDC or these wallhacks, I'll be glad to look.But,to date, the major hack makers have not bypasssed it nor will they try to. And I have not seen one wallhack for AA. RvS yes, but not AA.Even if there was, it would get found. I know the game engine intimately. For a person to use a wallhack requires altering a specific .u file, which changes its fingerprint.

As the guy from PB stated-90% of the people that use hacks are nothing more than people who go to the big sites and download what they can. Those are who you cocnentrate on.
90% is better than nothing.

If your looking for a 100% cheat free enviroment you're going to have a long wait.

ok i seen a double launch and we disputed the match because of that and becouse the mo never showed till last rnd. i had the cdc player list up and the individual left the game and came back in but never went off of cdc player list and he just happened to have most kills and was able to shoot from fog. that is a double launch so i know it can happen i seen it. I like cdc i am just saying it needs some fine tuning. And nothing was done we were made to report the loss and i know for a fact they were cheating defense on farm doesn't even have nv let alone able to see from the barn to the corn field and get head shots.
Post edited by -=nØs=-Scarface420 at 6/7/2003 6:59:59 PM

I honestly don't know what happened, but I can assure you that you can't double launch AA while CDC is running.

Well, technically you can but the second instance would run for less than 1 minute.

Try it, you'll see what I'm saying.

-={STS}=-renb you still didn't answer my question. CDC records and exposes cheaters, it doesn't boot them from the game. So did you or did you not report it to an admin so they could look at the logs? If you did not, then how would you know CDC is flawed? Only way to catch a cheater is for admins to look at the logs.

If you did report them then I digress.

I take your no response as a no.