From "Announcement!!! Everyone Read!!' thread:
Originally posted by: psicotic1
After almost two months of testing, I am pleased to announce that Hydra's Cheat deterrent System is now a requirement for participation in the Teamwarfare ladders and leagues. It has been tested extensively by both the US and Euro admins and works extremely well. It is now available in th Teamwarfare download section:
http://www.teamwarfare.com/files/?game=15
It is a very simple program to use. You enter the IP of the master server in the left slide out section and the IP for the match server in the right hand slide out section, then hit the 'verify and join' button. If your clean, you will automatically join the match server, if your not, well....
Players there are several IP's for the master servers. If you fail to connect on the main one there will be an alternate available. If you fail to connect on the alternate,you will not be allowed to play and the matter will be investigated by an admin.
Logs are kept of those that connect throught the CDS, so if there is a cheating dispute against you and the logs show that you did not connect through CDS, you will be banned.
If the logs show that you have cheats installed, you will be banned.
CDS will detect altered .u files and Evilhack. Hydra will have a webpage up regarding how to use it shortly. Until then,ladder admins can answer any questions you may have.
Use of CDS is not an option, it is mandatory as of April 23rd. You have three days to get familiar with it.
A few other notes-
The Invitational league will skip one week of league play between weeks three and four. The skipped week will be used for the Invitational League All-Star match. Details will be available this week.
There will also be a one week break between the end of regualr season and the quarter finals. This will be used so for the following match:
Admins with Attitudes vs MO's with Glasses
The rules section for the US ladders have been overhauled. there are a lot of changes that you need to check on. I also consolidated the genral and game specific to avoid all the confusion we have been having with one section contradicting the other. Hope this helps. (Euro rules will be updated shortly)
Happy Easter!!
Happy Passover!!
A VERY BIG THANK YOU TO [RIP]HYDRA FOR ALL HIS EFFORT IN HELPING TO KEEP THIS COMMUNITY AS CHEAT FREE AS POSSIBLE!
AND TO ALL THE ADMINS WHO SPENT UNCOUNTED HOURS TESTING CDS TO MAKE SURE IT WAS AS FUNCTIONAL AS POSSIBLE.
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Master Servers
For US: 208.57.186.249:1715
For Euro:194.236.50.98:1715 backup: 195.195.166.125:1715
Note: Only use backup if master fails, it's important that the both teams in a match uses the same server!
It's worth pointing out that everyone connected to the same CDS server AND game server can see (using the CDC program) who is connected to the server AND are using the CDC program.
in simple terms in a 6v6 match, if you have 12 players on the server and 12 players using the CDC program you are ok.
When do you check?
well the MO would do the check, since he would also join the match server using the CDC program, but there is nothing stopping any player from looking at the playerlist under the setup round or when he is dead.
What to do if a player is on the game server, but not on the CDS server?
Could be one of the following reasons:
1. He has not joined the server using CDC, and should reconnect using CDC!
2. He is using another CDS server and should reconnect using the same CDS server as the rest of you.
3. He has connected to the game server using a diferent IP than the rest of you (if the server has more than one network card). He should reconnect using the same game server IP as the rest of you.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
IP's for the master servers are available from the ladder admins. These are IP's are subject to change at anytime.
If requested we will post them in your match comms. Otherwise, it is your reposibility to ensure you ahve the IP.
I am mass emailing all team captains regarding the CDS requirements.
Due to the system, you will receive one email for every ladder your on. Please don't bitch when you get three or four emails saying the same thing
Originally posted by: shftleft
The prog detects "altered" .u files. Is there anything to prevent an innocent player from being banned for data corruption of those files?
Originally posted by: Hnefi
Cool. About time too
A few questions though:
1: What will happen once the hacks are updated to counter this anticheat? Will we have to manually download the program over and over again or will it autoupdate like PB?
2: Will this still be a requirement if PB turns out to be a success?
3: Why was it made in BASIC instead of a faster, more powerful and less resource hogging language?
4: Has anyone besides Hydra (someone in the TWL staff, that is) seen the sourcecode to the program? I'll use it (already have, actually), but since Hydra is a person I don't know I'd be more comfortable if I knew others had checked the source for stuff that shouldn't be there. I'd be even happier if I could do it myself but that won't be an option for obvious reasons.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
It compares clean files on the master to the files in your folder. If there's a difference, you can't verify.
I suggest everyone use the 'clean.exe' program in your ArmyOps>system folder prior to a match to ensure your files are clean. There are no exceptions to the policy regaring not being able to connect. Its your responsibilty to ensure your files are not corrupt.
Originally posted by: {KHuDa}Ghost_Ryder
i got an image i made(like a small tutorialof the program) when the thing was in developement for my clan. this just explains what is everything for. i can post it here if needed until the page comes up. just tell me.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
Originally posted by: Hnefi
Cool. About time too
A few questions though:
1: What will happen once the hacks are updated to counter this anticheat? Will we have to manually download the program over and over again or will it autoupdate like PB?
2: Will this still be a requirement if PB turns out to be a success?
3: Why was it made in BASIC instead of a faster, more powerful and less resource hogging language?
4: Has anyone besides Hydra (someone in the TWL staff, that is) seen the sourcecode to the program? I'll use it (already have, actually), but since Hydra is a person I don't know I'd be more comfortable if I knew others had checked the source for stuff that shouldn't be there. I'd be even happier if I could do it myself but that won't be an option for obvious reasons.
1. Hydra can release updates when he see's fit.Without warning and randomly.
2. Yes, it will be a requirement once PB is released. As a matter of fact, PB is more likey to be hacked than Hydra's. They are seperate programs that operate differently. Hackers are more apt to spend their energy on PB than Hydra's.
3. Ask Hydra. It draws very little resources and uses a miniscule amount of bandwidth. We didn't just decide to use it. As I said, we have been testing it for nearly two months.
4. Have you seen the source code for 90% of the stuff on your system? There's nothing there that shouldn't be. I have no questions regarding Hydra's integrity.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
Originally posted by: {KHuDa}Ghost_Ryder
i got an image i made(like a small tutorialof the program) when the thing was in developement for my clan. this just explains what is everything for. i can post it here if needed until the page comes up. just tell me.
please do.
Originally posted by: Hnefi
Quick answer Still more questions though:
1: Good, but do we actually have to go to a link and download it again or does it update itself automatically?
2: Cool.
3: Cool.
4: Well, that's not the point. While I haven't seen the source for any of the programs on my computer except those I have written myself, none of those programs were made by individuals who aren't associated with a well known company. That's a very significant difference, so I ask again: has anyone in the TWL staff reviewed the sourcecode?
Originally posted by: [SO]_javier_perez
good to hear this news, but altho im 100% sure that this is a safe program, Ill like to be 110% sure of it, hearing a green light from a DEV member or something, you know....specially since you'll inmediately get banned.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
1. No it doesn't update automatically,a s far as I know.
4. No, I haven't, but as I said, I don't question his integrity.If you do, then don't use it.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
Originally posted by: [SO]_javier_perez
good to hear this news, but altho im 100% sure that this is a safe program, Ill like to be 110% sure of it, hearing a green light from a DEV member or something, you know....specially since you'll inmediately get banned.
This has nothing to do with being banned from official servers, only here. I am the only greenlight needed when it comes to these ladders. There are quite a few people who have helped test it. None of them have had any probelms.
Originally posted by: Hnefi
1: Ok.
4: Well, not using it is not an option as you yourself have already stated. I will use it - as I said, I already have - but I really think someone on your staff should check it. It's not much of an issue for me personally as I have a "if the computer starts acting up, reformat and reinstall" philosophy, but others might have sensitive data on their computers and thus have cause for concern.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
Originally posted by: Hnefi
1: Ok.
4: Well, not using it is not an option as you yourself have already stated. I will use it - as I said, I already have - but I really think someone on your staff should check it. It's not much of an issue for me personally as I have a "if the computer starts acting up, reformat and reinstall" philosophy, but others might have sensitive data on their computers and thus have cause for concern.
I wouldn't require something if I didn't trust it. It has been tested on the TWL servers from Gaminghost, which has extensive safeguards and reporting. Its clean.
Originally posted by: InsUW
Just a simple question... I have Downloaded the program but am not sure is it only to be used when playing on a TWL server??
If we are playing on our Private server or anothers private server do we use this program?
Edward
Originally posted by: [SO]_javier_perez
i know Psicotic, but the DEV cheat detection system was tested a lot by the DEVs and still got a lot of falses positives and they had to disable it, i was just asking for a third opinion on it, i know your intentions and Hydra's are honorable.
Originally posted by: {KHuDa}Ghost_Ryder
this is to be used for TWL, has you can read in any previous post. Devs have nothing to do with this program since it doesnt affect anything on it. it scans the folders, and if your clear its like a shortcut to your americas army.exe file
Originally posted by: Deleon
2 questions:
1) if someone drops I assume they must verify again?
2) what if u disconnect and reconnect? (as in, what must u do during half-time)
Originally posted by: psicotic1
Originally posted by: [SO]_javier_perez
i know Psicotic, but the DEV cheat detection system was tested a lot by the DEVs and still got a lot of falses positives and they had to disable it, i was just asking for a third opinion on it, i know your intentions and Hydra's are honorable.
That's fine, not trying to be rude, but, the only opinion I'm worried about are the players. You guys bitched about doing something about the cheats, now that we have something, people question it.
PB is not going to be a cure all. Matter of fact, PB gets hacked regurlarly. Check out the cheat forums. we spent literally hundreds of hours with different setups testing it, and it wouldn't be here if we felt there was a problem with false positives. The one on the official servers was a lot more complex, therefore easier to have something go wrong.
Your official account has nothing to with this program. It has no effect at all on your account. Until such time that something better comes along, and I don't mean PB, because the hackers will be on it as soon as its released,w e have two choices:
1.We use it and if its use concerns you, then there are other ladders
2. We go back to nothing at all, in which case, don't lodge a dispute or complain about someone cheating, cause we're not going to hear it.
Originally posted by: psicotic1
Originally posted by: Deleon
2 questions:
1) if someone drops I assume they must verify again?
2) what if u disconnect and reconnect? (as in, what must u do during half-time)
yes and yes
Originally posted by: [BeeR]-Mercury-
IMO:
Let's say that EVERYONE in the league gets banned on official servers...I would think that the Official Powers-That-Be would understand the problem and remove the bans.
If that were to happen, then it would be back to the drawing board for Hydra, and some lost play time on official servers.
I think this is an acceptable risk because in all probability this program will have no affect on the original program.
If you really feel uncomfortable about the side affects of the program, try adjusting your tinfoil hat and looking out your window for "Them" (you know who they are...)
Kudos to Hydra and TWL for all the effort to keep the game fun!