Originally posted by: bani
shrub isnt interested in cooperation, as far as I can tell. hes never responded to me, ever. ill leave it to the players to pressure shrub to approach me about collaboration on a tournament mod. players will have a greater influence on him than i ever could. but im pretty sure he will reject the idea outright.
as far as "head start" the only league i know of where this is the case is twl. twl is "locked in" to shrub and the admins arent interested in considering anything else. the TWL admins seem pretty secretive about the whole thing really -- quite a shame.
other leagues ive talked to eg CAL are open to whatever best meets their requirements. im working closely with them to solve issues for competition play.
so even though TWL is permanently locked in to shrub, i'm still interested in hearing TWL input on game issues as they are likely to be common across leagues.
Hmmm, I'm sorry I didn't see this post sooner. As I stated to Noir(from my own clan no less *sigh*) and Majikthise in IRC, I refuse to get involved petty Mod-community altercations. I don't know the history behind it, nor do I want to, all I want is the community to get a functional competitive mod in order to rectify bugs and tune certain gameplay elements. You all have to realize, there is apparantly some "history" here from RTCW modding which has spilled over here sickeningly enough.
That said, thats very ballsy to completely misconstrue the entire situation on our own forums no less, for the purposes of pushing your mod. Not to mention its also damaging to the competitive community which you have not participated in(RTCW nor ET unless I'm mistaken?).
The fact of the matter is Shrub simply got the code before you, I approached him about making the competitive mod first(due to him implementing several good ideas in Shrub_ET). We were working on it a full week(I solicited ideas from several people, looked at bug forums, etc.) before Noir told Majikthise and, subequently, you, what we were working on.
That was a mistake on his part, it was supposed to be a secret at first due to the fact I didn't know it was feasible and it would be completely irresponsible to promise something or get peoples hopes up about something that couldn't be delivered or rush something out just to slap a mod Tournament title on it. Despite that, I announced we were working on the mod in a PW post and several my "to do" lists were floating around about what was needed.
It was simply a matter of respect for me to stick with Shrub, as I said, I was working on it with him for a week(prior to you even getting the code from SD I believe? I could be wrong), he did everything we needed in an expeidiant manner and it worked. After all of the major work was done then Noir approached you and then this little drama ensued. It would have been plain wrong for me to abandon Shrub or to suggest you collaborate with him after he finished virtually everything that needed to be done for our purposes. It would be nice if ideally you two could work together, thats a given, but I could understand his view point on the manner too. Or, alternatively, he may just have been AFK. Sometimes people PM me and then my connect dies and they think I've ignored them.
If you're going to post here, at least be honest about what happened. Theres nothing wrong with asking for feedback on your mod here, but doing so while insulting us and the person who was working very hard on making a mod for the competitive community first is crossing the line.
Its silly that drama has to be injected into something as simple as securing a mod for a community. Ideally, it would be nice if they could work together, but theres obvious animosity there which I think will prevent that from happening.(on both sides)
Post edited by Warpath)x( at 8/5/2003 5:39:05 PM