Anomaly Analysis — TWL Forum Archive

TWL Member

2013-04-25 04:49

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AqDel0lFhlm0dDVQYjRTWlZCdTZFU1hKc01WYk5aREE&output=html

This is what it looks like when you're a bad boy: http://thyth.com/buffer/Test3.png

@(Thyth) Blue->Cyan->Green->Yellow->Orange->Red that indicates how strong the anomaly is

@(Thyth) Each pixel wide is 5120 ms

Discuss?

(S7 CCD Finals glitched?)

Post edited by sashimii at 4/25/2013 7:06:02 AM

-Hybrid

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2013-04-25 05:16

Nice.

cLownbOat!!1

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 07:11

What defines an anomaly? 5 seconds of what? What is there to discuss without any context or information on the what,how,where,when of the data lol.

But if we're gonna just draw lines on graphs and go on a witch hunt...LOL @ AUREOLE CARRYING THE AURORA LEGACY! What does a HOF need anomalies for?!?!

sashimii

TWL Member

2013-04-25 07:15

If you want more specific details come into IRC instead of going on forum rants about how everyone is on a witch hunt. You're awfully defensive in this area it seems.

Originally posted by: cLownbOat!!1
... No one wants to hear cheat accusations coming from a guy who was banned (twice?) already. It'd be nice if you could just obs cappers normally without sperging about timescale/oob grids and rotating the camera to show us absolutely nothing you know? Also maybe see what some other players are doing once in while instead trying to catch cappers timescaling for 30 mins? thx

http://thyth.com/t2/tournaments/timescale/67.222.138.108/2013/02-28/2013-02-28_12-10-25_TWL2_CanyonCrusadeDeluxe.png

http://thyth.com/t2/tournaments/timescale/67.222.138.108/2013/02-28/2013-02-28_13-42-40_TWL2_CanyonCrusadeDeluxe.png

http://thyth.com/t2/tournaments/timescale/67.222.138.108/2013/02-28/2013-02-28_14-05-44_TWL_Stonehenge.png

@(Thyth) No. That's timescale.

Edit: Regardless of it being in practice still is enough justification for you to stfu
Post edited by sashimii at 4/25/2013 7:22:58 AM

cLownbOat!!1

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 07:34

Oh so asking questions is being defensive and writing 4 lines is a rant accusing everyone. Okay! I guess I could come on IRC but you obviously wouldn't be any more forthcoming.

And lo and behold there is ccd data after all! Wow looks like I'm just a big old cheater huh anomaling for 2 minutes straight. Why not post the whole thing then? edit : Or is that just me in a server alone?

What's this???
http://thyth.com/t2/tournaments/timescale/67.222.138.108/2013/02-28/2013-02-28_15-18-18_TWL2_CanyonCrusadeDeluxe.png

It's nice to see such an honest, trustworthy person such as mistcane, leading the investigation into cheating hahaha.
Post edited by cLownbOat!!1 at 4/25/2013 7:42:54 AM

sashimii

TWL Member

2013-04-25 07:42

I don't recall reading anything about anyone accusing you of cheating on CCD? You've been butthurt about me on your ass since the first time I pubbed against you before last season, so don't act like me calling you out is a surprise.

Also, you do realize that heatmap is not from a match or scrim right? Just a random time you and him happened to be in the server doing whatever..? Not sure what you were going for with that one. I didn't post every heatmap where you lagged or didn't lag, just the ones where you were blatantly experimenting with timescale. So congratulations to you for showing me your heatmap of your practice with a guy where you didn't toggle timescale, really proud of you.

Edit: I'm not leading the "investigation" in any way, nor am I pointing any fingers. I just organized logs into a chart. I'm very aware of the inconclusiveness of these graphs. There's instances where timescalers do show up, and don't show up. However the baseline image we have, http://thyth.com/buffer/Test3.png , clearly displays a resemblance to yours on multiple occasions. You demonstrate that 3 separate times, at least. So stop deflecting shit at me hosscat.
Post edited by sashimii at 4/25/2013 8:03:54 AM

cLownbOat!!1

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 08:22

Originally posted by: sashimii
... However the baseline image we have, http://thyth.com/buffer/Test3.png , clearly displays a resemblance to yours on multiple occasions. You demonstrate that 3 separate times, at least. So stop deflecting shit at me hosscat.

Good thing you're not here to point fingers then huh?

I just had a big laugh now where and when that was from and had to give a mad props to Thyth then, because his method does work (which no proof of is given here).

It's ironic because I was trying to determine why some demos appeared to be sped up when i watch them. Sepcifically your demos mistcane (sorry to call you out again but we all know you cheat so you provided a base case to compare). I was trying to see why, suddenly when you start chasing, the game seems to speed up and why when you would snipe, it seems to slow down. Looking back on it it's hilarious how stupid I am trying to be an E-detective. So I went and made this to see what would happen when I watch the demo.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1nivu8

So yeah I timescaled. Ban me if you must

sashimii

TWL Member

2013-04-25 08:23

Case 1 closed. Next!

Meyog

LOOK AT ME!TWL Contributor

2013-04-25 09:09

clownboat y do u troll every thread

cLownbOat!!1

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 09:18

Because I love you meyoggdogg

BOSS DOGG

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 09:26

on first page of this thread

HeXy

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 09:39

Lots of red lines in those charts. Ban anyone with a red line NOW.

BIGSEX

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 10:39

oh nice I timescaled on wz last week

Fling

Big Grin 4 Life!

2013-04-25 11:01

I have no idea how to interpret this data. I have no idea what normal is.

StormcrowIV

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 11:03

Originally posted by: Fling
I have no idea how to interpret this data. I have no idea what normal is.

kilar

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 11:19

bubble trout #1 timescaler

verve

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 11:20

the three guys accused of timescaling all the time (nev, astralis, slush) have some of the cleanest heatmaps.

?

GoHeels

Too LongTeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 11:26

What the fuck are we looking at?

Why does the number of bars vary for everybody?

Why am I not showing up as cheating scum?

Dibs+

*on the last piece of pie

2013-04-25 11:53

thyth is a great troll

kilar

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 12:05

Originally posted by: GoHeels
What the fuck are we looking at?

Why does the number of bars vary for everybody?

Why am I not showing up as cheating scum?

actually you have some of the most busy heatmaps compared to other players, hacker

what am i gonna do when nate verve goheels bubbletrout get banned
Post edited by kilar at 4/25/2013 12:06:46 PM

cLownbOat!!1

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 12:23

Originally posted by: kilar
Originally posted by: GoHeels
What the fuck are we looking at?

Why does the number of bars vary for everybody?

Why am I not showing up as cheating scum?

actually you have some of the most busy heatmaps compared to other players, hacker

what am i gonna do when nate verve goheels bubbletrout get banned

Well if even mistcane can get his ban overturned by crying to admins, there's hope for anyone.

Also ownjoo has almost nothing LOL.

Dibs+

*on the last piece of pie

2013-04-25 12:29

post some graphs w/no information about interpreting them

ask people to get on irc for information instead of including it in the forum post

gholan, mooley, and enigma all have busier heatmaps than ownj00 had on xfire last season when half the server was accusing him of timescale

lol "analysis"

Bran

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 12:31

These heat maps make zero sense.

Rooster128

TWL Member

2013-04-25 12:56

I'm thinking maybe if the criteria for the coloring was changed it might help more...

HeXy

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 13:05

Red = Banned
Green = Suspended
Blue = Non-Cheater

What is so hard to understand here.

ZuMie++

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 13:54

ban if people cheated in matches

GoHeels

Too LongTeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 13:57

What does it mean that I have a million are but all blue.

Shitty connection?

BOSS DOGG

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 14:07

lol goheels stop playing dum

u are done bye

sashimii

TWL Member

2013-04-25 14:20

Today I learned more people here are missing that part of their brain that allows them to interpret things in a logical and relative manner than I previously imagined.

Bless your souls.

verve

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 14:22

so can we all finally say that timescale has nothing to do with the jittering people are seeing?

sashimii

TWL Member

2013-04-25 14:26

There's apparently a few times where players were confirmed testing timescale in a server or something and their graph is spotless. So that right there kind of discredits any of this, but it's still fun to look at the pretty colors.

GoHeels

Too LongTeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 15:26

OMG YOU GUYS CAN'T FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS

***20 mins later****

Ya so turns out these don't actually mean anything
Post edited by GoHeels at 4/25/2013 3:27:12 PM

Halo2

TWL Member

2013-04-25 15:38

http://thyth.com/t2/tournaments/timescale/67.222.138.108/2013/02-21/2013-02-21_21-56-23_TWL_Crossfire.png

HeXy

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 15:39

Based on Thyth's data everyone timescales like once every couple of months except for Hybrid and Tarzul who like to go in server and timescale together every couple of days...Seems conclusive.
Post edited by HeXy at 4/25/2013 5:13:27 PM

nutty_

TWL Member

2013-04-25 15:55

will justice be served..

Shivan-

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 17:25

This thread is both interesting and confusing. Thyth: why release all of this if it is inconclusive? What does it actually show? Lagging? Packet loss? Ping variation?

-Hybrid

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2013-04-25 17:25

what thyth has done so far is very impressive

once it's tweaked to show more reliable data of actual timescale usage and less "suspicious" anomalies we will be able to really put the logs to good use

also make sure you are all recording your demos etc :>

YWontUDie

Teamwarfare VetTooTzie

2013-04-25 19:51

0[146:31pm0] <@Thyth> I could say more than 5 red lines should be considered cheaters. There would be false positives.

GOGOGOGGO

nutty_

TWL Member

2013-04-25 20:09

caught with their pants down!

markopolis

TeamWarfare Vet

2013-04-25 20:11

this is so sketch hahaha i love it