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Adept
will cap for porn
2011-08-15 17:47
In light of alleged shenanigans on the part of toys and DS, there's been talk of boycotting the tournament until bans are handed out. Wouldn't be a t2 tourney without stupid ultimatums, would it? Happened in the 10 year tourney too.

So here are the issues: ZP said he couldn't play, got picked by toys and played; mossy oak is suspected to be hawson smurfing to let toys pick him in later rounds. Also, maybe Tarzul refusing to play for HeXy. Bans are wanted. For the record, Bran, IP geolocation doesn't mean shit for establishing identity. Two IP's from Toronto? Same person, obviously. Seriously?

You've got one team that might have manipulated the draft to gain an advantage. In response, this shithole of a community has players that want to refuse to play until they get their way? Bran taking away his servers since he's one of the butthurt? Childish.

In response to *the possibility* of a team having some degree of an advantage, you're willing to ruin the entire tournament for all of the teams? Grow the fuck up and stop trying to manipulate the tournament yourselves to a far greater degree than anything toys or even Darkstrand has done, this time or the last.

Let's bring Tarzul up again - should he be banned for refusing to play? If so, let's ban anyone that boycotts the tournament, because they're refusing to play too. Neither of them have a valid reason, they're just crying about not getting what they want, and taking it out on the people that want to play.
Tappy
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 17:52
Originally posted by: Adept
In light of alleged shenanigans on the part of toys and DS, there's been talk of boycotting the tournament until bans are handed out. Wouldn't be a t2 tourney without stupid ultimatums, would it? Happened in the 10 year tourney too.

So here are the issues: ZP said he couldn't play, got picked by toys and played; mossy oak is suspected to be hawson smurfing to let toys pick him in later rounds. Also, maybe Tarzul refusing to play for HeXy. Bans are wanted. For the record, Bran, IP geolocation doesn't mean shit for establishing identity. Two IP's from Toronto? Same person, obviously. Seriously?

You've got one team that might have manipulated the draft to gain an advantage. In response, this shithole of a community has players that want to refuse to play until they get their way? Bran taking away his servers since he's one of the butthurt? Childish.

In response to *the possibility* of a team having some degree of an advantage, you're willing to ruin the entire tournament for all of the teams? Grow the fuck up and stop trying to manipulate the tournament yourselves to a far greater degree than anything toys or even Darkstrand has done, this time or the last.

Let's bring Tarzul up again - should he be banned for refusing to play? If so, let's ban anyone that boycotts the tournament, because they're refusing to play too. Neither of them have a valid reason, they're just crying about not getting what they want, and taking it out on the people that want to play.


Your blame is misplaced. By circumventing the rules to gain an unfair advantage one team has already ruined the tournament for all the other teams.
sQu33ze
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 17:56
this is all because there arent enough squeezes for every team to get one. people get mad
SADDAM AL-TIKRITI
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 17:57
Originally posted by: Tappy

Your blame is misplaced. By circumventing the rules to gain an unfair advantage one team has already ruined the tournament for all the other teams.

so why drag yourself down to their level?
Post edited by SADDAM AL-TIKRITI at 8/15/2011 5:58:22 PM
Adept
will cap for porn
2011-08-15 17:59
Originally posted by: Tappy
Your blame is misplaced. By circumventing the rules to gain an unfair advantage one team has already ruined the tournament for all the other teams.


Not quite - I have no problem playing against toys with his team as is next week. Also, no one has proven anything about hawson, and ZP is in a bit of a gray area.

Besides all of that, haven't you ever heard? Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that. You don't fix douchebaggery by being a bigger douchebag.
Firepower!
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 18:05
I'm boycotting this boycott
Tappy
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 18:08
I'm not boycotting anything, but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone who does--everyone signed up for this tournament on the pretense of fair and even competition. I want the rules enforced, you seem to want to reward those who broke them.
Adept
will cap for porn
2011-08-15 18:14
Want ZP barred from playing round robin? Fine by me. Want to ban mossy oak for smurfing? Prove it, and then go for it. Want to ban Tarzul? By all means. I'm not saying anything against punishing people that broke the rules. What I am saying is to not be a baby about it, move on, and let the admins make their decision.

The only team that has to worry about playing toys for the next 2 weeks is rayne, and we're fine with it. Anyone else that wants to refuse to play at this point is being a drama queen.
talent
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 18:17
this is why we can't have nice things
-[ENIG]ma-
retired #1 in T:VTeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 18:23
It's just a draft tournament people. Let's play and have fun, win or lose, and in a few months players get shuffled around in a new tournament.

ZP wasn't lying about his availability, he was honest and a team took a risk by picking him. It happened to pay off this week.

I don't really know the toys/DS situation, but I'm inclined to believe toys if he said he was unaware of a potential smurf. I certainly wouldn't put it past DS instructing toys to pick a smurf though.

Hexy picked tarzul, fully aware that there's a possibility that tarzul wouldn't want to play for him. I think it's shitty to not play for someone for personal reasons, but it's not a bannable offense as far as I'm concerned.

So now that all this shit has been addressed can we pull our collective tampons out and play some tribes?
shady!
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 18:25
Originally posted by: talent
this is why we can't have nice things
MF_Wyze
"deployable inventories"
2011-08-15 18:26
Originally posted by: -[ENIG]ma-

So now that all this shit has been addressed can we pull our collective tampons out and play some tribes?


only because i'm out of tampons
HeXy
Permabanned
2011-08-15 18:29
Adept and Enigma, so you guys think that people who knowingly violate rules and stack their teams with smurfs/people who misrepresented themselves should be allowed to continue playing against teams who followed the rules and picked their teams fairly just to keep the peace? Toys KNEW Mossy Oak was Hawson and picked him as a smurf. ZP knew that he would be able to play but stated multiple times that he would not be able to play until September. Even on ventrilo during the draft Toys says "DS is telling me to pick ZP and that he will be active if he is on our team lol".

Maybe you guys are misinformed on what is happening?

I'm not down to allow people to cheat just so we can "keep the peace."
Post edited by HeXy at 8/15/2011 6:31:08 PM
ZProtoss
Hotel Shrikes Suck²
2011-08-15 18:35
Originally posted by: HeXy


I'm not down to allow people to cheat just so we can "keep the peace."


Enigma's point went over your head.

Also, considering your level of play last tournament without tags, and then with tags (which you were EXTREMELY opposed to and had to be forced by TWL), I find you complaining about cheating to be hilarious.

Scumbag Hexy - calls people being honest about their situation cheating, uses HM2 when tags aren't enabled.
ZProtoss
Hotel Shrikes Suck²
2011-08-15 18:37
Btw, hexy is also willfully ignoring the entire "LOL IN ANOTHER STATE IN A HOTEL, ON INTERNET THAT BARELY WORKED" point.

The fact that I had internet working that decently was a miracle. I was trying to potentially stay at all eyez or danno's place for a connection. Odds were against me playing yesterday.
HeXy
Permabanned
2011-08-15 18:40
Look at ZProttoss trying to take the heat off of himself and pull the old Hexy cheats card lol. Keep squirming cheater.
Tappy
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 18:43
Originally posted by: -[ENIG]ma-
It's just a draft tournament people. Let's play and have fun, win or lose, and in a few months players get shuffled around in a new tournament.

ZP wasn't lying about his availability, he was honest and a team took a risk by picking him. It happened to pay off this week.

I don't really know the toys/DS situation, but I'm inclined to believe toys if he said he was unaware of a potential smurf. I certainly wouldn't put it past DS instructing toys to pick a smurf though.

Hexy picked tarzul, fully aware that there's a possibility that tarzul wouldn't want to play for him. I think it's shitty to not play for someone for personal reasons, but it's not a bannable offense as far as I'm concerned.

So now that all this shit has been addressed can we pull our collective tampons out and play some tribes?


The rules are unambiguous, though it's clear they aren't going to be enforced.

Draft Conduct
Please note that, by signing up for a draft league, players have agreed to uphold certain standards of conduct which are required for a draft format to function. First, they are expected to show an equal level of activity and dedication, regardless of who they are drafted by. Second, they are required to be forthright with their identity and skill level (e.g., if they sign up under a name other than their original one, they are expected to inform the administrators, who will then inform the captains prior to the draft). Finally, if players fear that their activity level will be lower than might be reasonably expected (plan to attend at least 1 scrim and 1 match a week), please make this information available.

Players who abandon (or threaten to abandon) a team based on who drafts them, or who deliberately misrepresent their identities or skill level to tamper with the draft, may be subject to punitive action (including a TeamWarfare ban). Such conduct is considered a form of cheating, and will be treated as such. Players who are highly inactive for other reasons (without proper forewarning) may be cut from their team’s roster, and, in extreme cases, barred from signing up for the next season.


/rules.asp?set=Tribes+2+12v12+Draft+League
ZProtoss
Hotel Shrikes Suck²
2011-08-15 18:45
Originally posted by: HeXy
Look at ZProttoss trying to take the heat off of himself and pull the old Hexy cheats card lol. Keep squirming cheater.


Anyone who has two brain cells can see the validity of what I've pointed out. I played last night with double the normal ping, on a hotel desk, with a constant 3-6 PL.

Wheras for people who don't remember, Hexy fought extremely hard in IRC against Celios not to wear tags in tournament matches last tournament. The only reason for fighting is the fact that tags required TN RC2 - which has anti HM2 code/detection within it.

Once hexy started using his tags, his level of play dropped dramatically, and his teams defense became significantly weaker.

So really, Hexy calling other people cheaters (especially with the current accusations), is the ultimate in irony.
Pittyswains
TWL Member
2011-08-15 18:47
I know when I'm going on vacation tomorrow, I won't be touching a computer until I get back. That's how normal vacations work.

Hey ZP:

Post edited by Pittyswains at 8/15/2011 6:53:23 PM
HeXy
Permabanned
2011-08-15 18:49
Originally posted by: ZProtoss
Originally posted by: HeXy
Look at ZProttoss trying to take the heat off of himself and pull the old Hexy cheats card lol. Keep squirming cheater.


Anyone who has two brain cells can see the validity of what I've pointed out. I played last night with double the normal ping, on a hotel desk, with a constant 3-6 PL.

Wheras for people who don't remember, Hexy fought extremely hard in IRC against Celios not to wear tags in tournament matches last tournament. The only reason for fighting is the fact that tags required TN RC2 - which has anti HM2 code/detection within it.

Once hexy started using his tags, his level of play dropped dramatically, and his teams defense became significantly weaker.

So really, Hexy calling other people cheaters (especially with the current accusations), is the ultimate in irony.


Umm both of the recordings where I outshrikes you I was wearing tags. I had no problems with tags. As soon as it was a requirement I wore them and still did 10x better than you.

You can watch me play better shrike than you here.
/demos/viewDemo.asp?DemoID=20935
/demos/viewDemo.asp?DemoID=20936

Stop trying to take the heat off of yourself cheater.
Post edited by HeXy at 8/15/2011 6:52:11 PM
ZProtoss
Hotel Shrikes Suck²
2011-08-15 18:54
Originally posted by: HeXy
Originally posted by: ZProtoss
Originally posted by: HeXy
Look at ZProttoss trying to take the heat off of himself and pull the old Hexy cheats card lol. Keep squirming cheater.


Anyone who has two brain cells can see the validity of what I've pointed out. I played last night with double the normal ping, on a hotel desk, with a constant 3-6 PL.

Wheras for people who don't remember, Hexy fought extremely hard in IRC against Celios not to wear tags in tournament matches last tournament. The only reason for fighting is the fact that tags required TN RC2 - which has anti HM2 code/detection within it.

Once hexy started using his tags, his level of play dropped dramatically, and his teams defense became significantly weaker.

So really, Hexy calling other people cheaters (especially with the current accusations), is the ultimate in irony.


Umm both of the recordings where I outshrikes you I was wearing tags. I had no problems with tags. As soon as it was a requirement I wore them and still did 10x better than you.

You can watch me play better shrike than you here.
/demos/viewDemo.asp?DemoID=20935
/demos/viewDemo.asp?DemoID=20936

Stop trying to take the heat off of yourself cheater.


I lol'ed. No one with a brain would ever think that's better shriking than my play. You make stupid decisions constantly that put you out of position, and cause your team to lose caps/be at a dramatic disadvantage. And that's without getting to way less accuracy in ramming.

ZProtoss
Hotel Shrikes Suck²
2011-08-15 18:55
In other news, lets take a look at the mind of hexy -

Saying the following, "I probably won't be able to play, I'll be out of town (a truth)" = cheating.

Using HM2 and fighting Celios for several weeks, saying that you shouldn't have to wear tags = justified.

lghtspd
QWNED!
2011-08-15 18:57
Can u guys stay on topic plz
HeXy
Permabanned
2011-08-15 19:00
Originally posted by: ZProtoss
I retract the rayne only requirement. That said, I plan to be semi inactive, and my showing up is highly dependant upon whether or not I like the captain who picks me. Therefore, PICK AT YOUR PERIL.

I think that's an appropriate (and TWL accepted) way of phrasing it.

If I like the team/captain i might play more. If I dislike the team/captain I might not play at all.


Originally posted by: ZProtoss
In the interest of fair info I'll throw this last part out: I checked my schedule and I'll be physically unable to play (out of town/etc) until about september 4th - or the entire RR phase of things.

CAUTION ADVISED.


It's cheating when you are lying to the other captains/the community so you can get on the same team as DS in a late pick based on what Toys told us on Ventrilo. "DS is telling me to pick ZP he said he will show up for stuff if he is on our team."

gg
Vaxemous
MaximusTeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:00
Originally posted by: Pittyswains
I know when I'm going on vacation tomorrow, I won't be touching a computer until I get back. That's how normal vacations work.

Hey ZP:


LOL

do you remember that shit on the TA forums?
fucking.
Gunnah
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:00
im the best shriker here. u noobs suck.
ReDEyE!!
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:03
Originally posted by: Gunnah
im the best shriker here. u noobs suck.


FUK YOU... (thats bc you owned us last night)
lghtspd
QWNED!
2011-08-15 19:04
Robert 'Hawson' Paulson
ZProtoss
Hotel Shrikes Suck²
2011-08-15 19:04
Originally posted by: HeXy
Originally posted by: ZProtoss
I retract the rayne only requirement. That said, I plan to be semi inactive, and my showing up is highly dependant upon whether or not I like the captain who picks me. Therefore, PICK AT YOUR PERIL.

I think that's an appropriate (and TWL accepted) way of phrasing it.

If I like the team/captain i might play more. If I dislike the team/captain I might not play at all.


Originally posted by: ZProtoss
In the interest of fair info I'll throw this last part out: I checked my schedule and I'll be physically unable to play (out of town/etc) until about september 4th - or the entire RR phase of things.

CAUTION ADVISED.


It's cheating when you are lying to the other captains/the community so you can get on the same team as DS in a late pick based on what Toys told us on Ventrilo. "DS is telling me to pick ZP he said he will show up for stuff if he is on our team."

gg


I gave out information as accurate as I had it at the time. And actually if i was conspiring with ANY captain is was rayne. I had no contact with DS or Toys up until about 20 seconds before they picked me.

Whereas by comparison i was talking with Rayne about potential picks, and where he'd want to pick me given my sketchy schedule.

I'd have no reason to lie to Rayne, as from the very beginning my desire was to play for his team. This is something Rayne can easily indepedently confirm.

Also, you should explain to everyone why you refused to wear tags and fought using them, up until Celios told you that you would be banned from playing unless you used them.
-[ENIG]ma-
retired #1 in T:VTeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:10
Before I reply, I just have to quote this real quickly...
Originally posted by: HeXy
I'm not down to allow people to cheat just so we can "keep the peace."

LOL!!!!!

mmmmkay... It's a god damn video game tournament with nothing on the line other than internet dick measuring, which means nothing. If people can't have fun playing on an unfamiliar team or without winning every game, then they're pretty shitty people. At this stage in the tournament I'm not going to want to ban anyone or prevent someone from playing because you're probably going to kill that team's ability to field 12. I for one would much rather play than not play. You're only going to have to play that team once or possibly twice so man the fuck up and beat them or lose and move on.
Rothschild
TWL Member
2011-08-15 19:10
Originally posted by: Adept
For the record, Bran, IP geolocation doesn't mean shit for establishing identity. Two IP's from Toronto? Same person, obviously. Seriously?

I never claimed that. I looked up IP's upon request from Toys and gave him the information. Anyone can do that: http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_demo_ip How people interpret the information provided is upto them.

Between Toys saying he was 95% sure it was Hawson, having just created that account and comments from others about his play style. The IP geolocation is just another coincidence I guess.

Originally posted by: Adept
Bran taking away his servers since he's one of the butthurt? Childish.

I don't think I said I was taking away servers. So whoever told you that was trollin you.

Edit: Toys also requested that I look up jayvee and lipikas as well which I did and provided the same information. Again anyone can use that site to look up IP's, go ahead put in an IP and try it.

Post edited by Rothschild at 8/15/2011 7:20:09 PM
Julius*
serial experimentTeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:12
get a demo from mossy oak and post it, I will tell you if it is hawson with 100% accuracy.
Dimiotrix
TeamWarfare Vte?
2011-08-15 19:24
There is like 300 people that play this game total. I can't believe there is drama in a tourney that means absolutely nothing.
Tappy
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:27
Originally posted by: -[ENIG]ma-
Before I reply, I just have to quote this real quickly...
Originally posted by: HeXy
I'm not down to allow people to cheat just so we can "keep the peace."

LOL!!!!!

mmmmkay... It's a god damn video game tournament with nothing on the line other than internet dick measuring, which means nothing. If people can't have fun playing on an unfamiliar team or without winning every game, then they're pretty shitty people. At this stage in the tournament I'm not going to want to ban anyone or prevent someone from playing because you're probably going to kill that team's ability to field 12. I for one would much rather play than not play. You're only going to have to play that team once or possibly twice so man the fuck up and beat them or lose and move on.


hay guyz, just cause there are rules doesn't mean they should be followed or enforced lolz.
Post edited by Tappy at 8/15/2011 7:30:15 PM
Kris312
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:29
This community is fucking rediculous
Gunnah
TeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:34
lets all play tf2 instead
-[ENIG]ma-
retired #1 in T:VTeamWarfare Vet
2011-08-15 19:40
Originally posted by: Tappy
hay guyz, just cause they're are rules doesn't mean they should be followed or enforced lolz.

I'm unconvinced that toys knew and had it planned from the start. If we can definitively prove that mossy oak is hawson, then I think it would be fair to ban him from the tournament and give them a pick from the sub pool.

I know ZP wasn't lying about his availability, he told rayne and I the same thing. He made an effort to show for the match he originally was unsure he could make. Sounds like he was being unnecessarily honest rather that dishonest.
Meyog
MVP of Tribes 2 TWL Contributor
2011-08-15 19:46
ZP was a solid 5th or 6th round pick, what's the issue here?
Meyog
MVP of Tribes 2 TWL Contributor
2011-08-15 19:48
Also I find it humorous that hexy is complaining about cheats
Got Haggis?
Competition StaffLadder AdminTribes: VengeanceTWL Contributor
2011-08-15 20:00
Originally posted by: Kris312
This community is fucking rediculous


really it's just the same 5 people that are ridiculous