14 Man Classic Map votes--->Results here

OK... Here are the results of the voting. I'm sure everyone will not be 100% happy about all of the results, but this was the teams decisions, not mine. I'm sure the vocals will center around dessicator and feign mostly, but this was a vote...and you guys decided. Euro Map pack will be need on servers for competition Download Here

Blue Moon is NOT added due to the late breaking capping bug.


Here are the results:

New Maps Being added as of Monday to map pool:
BeachBlitz X2
CanyonRun X2
Euro2_Feign (yes, you will need map pack)


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Question 1: Should Teamwarfare add BeachBlitz X2 to the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 84.38% 27
No 15.63% 5
Total: 32
Question 2: Should Teamwarfare add AstroGrabber X2 to the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 30.00% 9
No 70.00% 21
Total: 30
Question 3: Should Teamwarfare add CanyonRun X2 to the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 65.52% 19
No 34.48% 10
Total: 29

*************NOT ADDED DUE TO BUG******************************
Question 4: Should Teamwarfare add BlueMoon X2 to the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 86.67% 26
No 13.33% 4
Total: 30
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Question 5: Should Teamwarfare add Euro2_Epicrates Deluxe to the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 29.17% 7
No 70.83% 17
Total: 24
Question 6: Should Teamwarfare add Euro2_Feign to the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 60.71% 17
No 39.29% 11
Total: 28







Maps being Removed
Reversion
Dessicator


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Question 1: Should Teamwarfare remove the map Reversion from rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 73.08% 19
No 26.92% 7
Total: 26
Question 2: Should Teamwarfare remove the map Dessicator from the rotation?
Response Votes PCT Total Votes
Yes 61.54% 16
No 38.46% 10
Total: 26

poor reversion

vab reversion

awesome

gay

we need a fix for the capping bug on bluemoon ASAP

be nice to add feign to xpack2 and fix bluemoon as well. release like a xpack2a, sure everyone would have to download it again, but its probably worth it imo. having a whole map pack for 1 map is a bit much.

yes its a whine, fuck off.

I dont see why you have to fix that bug in bluemoon its a fun map. Its an exploit and illegal in match play.

With the demo requirement anyone stupid enough to get caught doing this should be banned from competition anyway.

Keeper

canyon run is a shitty map, and it'll be horrible in competition IMO.

BeachBlitz and Canyon run are going to play like ass in competition.

sorry i've been out of the loop with the ctf maps now adays, can someone plz tell me what this "bug" is that's stoping such a fun map like bluemoon from being added?

Rapture |R|-

Got ChainGun? Arena cg?

Sadistic -||-

Animosity A-

Team Grinch Stol|Xmas

Shrikes and Havocs can fly through the top of the BM base, through the gen room and through the map every time. (Havocs are hard to get the exact angle but also possible).

Not only can they all go completely below the map, but enter the other teams gen room as well. Could you imagine dealing with shrike asassinations on your gens?

Originally posted by: ZProtoss

Shrikes and Havocs can fly through the top of the BM base, through the gen room and through the map every time. (Havocs are hard to get the exact angle but also possible).

Not only can they all go completely below the map, but enter the other teams gen room as well. Could you imagine dealing with shrike asassinations on your gens?

lol thx for the fast reply zp, well wow wtf... why not add the euro version of bluemoon then? hell might as well being that we have to dl the euro pack anyways, might as well put it to good use. (or does it have the same bug aswell?)
Post edited by Arckanum at 2/1/2003 5:36:14 PM

Rapture |R|-

Got ChainGun? Arena cg?

Sadistic -||-

Animosity A-

Team Grinch Stol|Xmas

Arck -- there is no reason the Euro version wouldn't have the same bug.

Originally posted by: -Vang-

Arck -- there is no reason the Euro version wouldn't have the same bug.

has anyone tested this yet?

Rapture |R|-

Got ChainGun? Arena cg?

Sadistic -||-

Animosity A-

Team Grinch Stol|Xmas

dunno I do know that you can also kill anything touching the ground from under the map. MPB's, hofs...etc. Its surprisingly easy to reproduce this bug...someone add a bunch of crates or trees or something at the back of teh bases to fix plz...

Originally posted by: ZProtossCould you imagine dealing with shrike asassinations on your gens?

Is this why Raindance isn't in the map pool ?

fuck the bug

it will be pretty obvious if someone is using it

and doesnt harvester have a similar bug?

im only pissed cause BM was the *one* map I actually wanted to play in comp...

|i| Tycho?

Proud Party Member of Soviet Canukistan!

Errr no. RD isn't in the map pool because of gen spam. Ability to hit the generators with pinpoint precision from MF. That and the fact that RD sucks for competition in both gameplay and FPS.

Originally posted by: MolimOrion

Originally posted by: ZProtossCould you imagine dealing with shrike asassinations on your gens?

Is this why Raindance isn't in the map pool ?

I love people who vote based on "what's new". If anyone actually played Beach Blitz, they'd see it sucks huge ass. Same for Canyon Run. Hell, Arrow Pass and ThunderGiant are MUCH better maps, where were those votes?

You added Feign, a map that requires its own map pack. Where's Sub-Zero? WoodyMyrk X2? Drifts X2? Do we really need a special map pack for another small cluster map?

I won't shed a tear for Reversion and Dessicator that's for sure.

Originally posted by: ZProtoss


Errr no. RD isn't in the map pool because of gen spam. Ability to hit the generators with pinpoint precision from MF. That and the fact that RD sucks for competition in both gameplay and FPS.

That's the old X versions of RD. The new Xpack version has a much bigger base and entrance, making gen spam impossible (at least I tried it... never found a spot).

Originally posted by: Flawed

I love people who vote based on "what's new". If anyone actually played Beach Blitz, they'd see it sucks huge ass. Same for Canyon Run. Hell, Arrow Pass and ThunderGiant are MUCH better maps, where were those votes?

You added Feign, a map that requires its own map pack. Where's Sub-Zero? WoodyMyrk X2? Drifts X2? Do we really need a special map pack for another small cluster map?

I won't shed a tear for Reversion and Dessicator that's for sure.

Asking where the existing good maps are is a good point. Where are Drifts and Sub Zero? Drifts is one of the few maps with an indoor flag, allowing HOF to be protected somewhat from long range spam, it should be included just because it is somewhat different from the rest, and playtested. And subzero is one of the best T2 maps period. Both are superior to any maps added in the current vote. This is not to say that we shouldn't add the maps voted in, but we should get on adding Subzero and Drifts in as well, pronto. I am pretty sure they would pass a vote if one was put up. More well tested, fun maps = good.

dessicator > *

get some skills indoors babies

Originally posted by: Flawed

You added Feign, a map that requires its own map pack. Where's Sub-Zero? WoodyMyrk X2? Drifts X2? Do we really need a special map pack for another small cluster map?

I won't shed a tear for Reversion and Dessicator that's for sure.

i agree. feign is kinda cool, but it is just another small cluster map and the ladder isnt exactly hurtin for those...

even tho i wont miss rev and desi, cutting those two took out some of the few remaining non-cluster maps. id rather not have another cluster added to the map ladder.

arrow pass would be great. thunder giant is ok. i like wasteland as well.

err wow, i just realized subzero woodymyrk and drifts arent on the ladder after u said that, i thought they were! what the hell...
Post edited by Blotter at 2/2/2003 5:48:55 AM

EURO FEIGN HAS TO HAVE THE BASE OPENING ON THE OTHER SIDE BEFORE ADDING IT TO THE POOL.

Take 3 HO and don't even go to their side of the map and spam in intervals all day...thanks.

Originally posted by: Blotter

Originally posted by: Flawed

You added Feign, a map that requires its own map pack. Where's Sub-Zero? WoodyMyrk X2? Drifts X2? Do we really need a special map pack for another small cluster map?

I won't shed a tear for Reversion and Dessicator that's for sure.

i agree. feign is kinda cool, but it is just another small cluster map and the ladder isnt exactly hurtin for those...

even tho i wont miss rev and desi, cutting those two took out some of the few remaining non-cluster maps. id rather not have another cluster added to the map ladder.

arrow pass would be great. thunder giant is ok. i like wasteland as well.

err wow, i just realized subzero woodymyrk and drifts arent on the ladder after u said that, i thought they were! what the hell...

Yea, why weren't SubZero and WoddyMyrk(x2) added?? And if a map like Reversion gets canned, why not toss Death Birds Fly out also? If you break it down simply, both maps are virtually the same (except the towers and 2ndary Vpads of course) with regards to gameplay. I think it would be refreshing to see some more of the newer maps (namely xp2's) and toss more older ones out at the very least for a change of scenery. Maps like BR, Mino, and, Slap may play well but it's getting (gotten) old playing those after 2 years.

Originally posted by: Blotter

be nice to add feign to xpack2 and fix bluemoon as well. release like a xpack2a, sure everyone would have to download it again, but its probably worth it imo. having a whole map pack for 1 map is a bit much.

yes its a whine, fuck off.

I like that idea a lot. z0dd could also throw in Skylight while he's at it.

and fix feigns base it's really a pain in the ass, spam points can just make that bunker unusable and 2 HO could probably camp the bunker as well, if needed. So fix that and feign is good, but ya what about sub zero, and some other maps..

another good vehicle map would be nice

I had already talked to biscuit about this. I am going to make a comp pack including all current TWL maps. This will help with both servers and players not wanting to have 40-50 extra maps in which they don't need. Good thing is becuase the files won't change, you won't need to d/l this pack if you already have it in the x2 map pack.
Post edited by Homerpf at 2/2/2003 11:04:20 AM

/me cries
you Dessicator, i'll miss you.
I hate you people that voted it off.

DBF is staying? :/

I'd rather see that one go than dessicator or reversion. Weird that it wasn't even voted on.

From what I understand this isn't the last vote. Perhaps the admins were just wanted to take the map changes one step at a time instead of one sudden huge change. I'm pretty sure that there will be more votes to remove dbf and other maps as well as to add maps like Sub-Zero and Drifts_x2.

Originally posted by: Homerpf

From what I understand this isn't the last vote. Perhaps the admins were just wanted to take the map changes one step at a time instead of one sudden huge change. I'm pretty sure that there will be more votes to remove dbf and other maps as well as to add maps like Sub-Zero and Drifts_x2.

If DBF gets removed, we still need to balance it with some larger vehicle maps. Starfallen, maybe?

EDIT: BTW, I don't really know what's so wrong about DBF. I think it's a pretty fun map.
Post edited by Flawed at 2/2/2003 12:00:26 PM

I think DBF is a fun map. The problem is its too easy for teams to turtle on that map. Nothing wrong with the map itself imo at least. The only problem with it is how teams play it.

omg canyon run, you can´t be serious. such a slowass map.

BB is cool. never played feign in classic, back->front caps too easy?

Originally posted by: Homerpf

I think DBF is a fun map. The problem is its too easy for teams to turtle on that map. Nothing wrong with the map itself imo at least. The only problem with it is how teams play it.

We had a team go in a standoff on us in a scrim on DBF. Guess how that ended?
Post edited by Flawed at 2/2/2003 12:44:56 PM

Yeah, full turtle definately isn't the answer. But teams that use around 10 d on that map will not help. As long as a team has 4 or more offense, you can't overload your O either. But like I said before, stacked d is what maps that map crappy.

Originally posted by: Homerpf

I had already talked to biscuit about this. I am going to make a comp pack including all current TWL maps. This will help with both servers and players not wanting to have 40-50 extra maps in which they don't need. Good thing is becuase the files won't change, you won't need to d/l this pack if you already have it in the x2 map pack.

are you going to be adding more than just is on the ladder? what if a new map gets added? gotta release a new mappack everytime?

like the "good" maps that are in the xpack2 but not on the ladder (woodymyrk drifts), those. just in case?
Post edited by Blotter at 2/2/2003 3:35:55 PM

Possibly. But as you know twl doesn't add maps at random. I seriously doubt biscuit will have a vote on 1 map. I'm sure he will be adding in packs, so things wont be too hard keeping an updated map pack. I'll just include version numbers.