A way to limit some of the "cheating"?

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TWL Contributor

2002-08-12 16:30

I sent this in on the post for input at tribes council. Wonder if it was ever brought up.

Put certain files that peeps hack on their own(client) comp in a special folder or just go right to certain things in directory.

Turret, cloak, mine, fog, water skins, few other things, textures.

scripts= .cs files.

You can mod the game all you want. When match is ready to start, a progy picks 1 of these files at random, uploads it to holding area here, part of match coms. holds these random samples, 1 from each player listed by name or GUID, for 1 hour after match is reported. In this time, the team captains are responsible to look if they choose to. All the files above are really small, so wont take hardly any time or storage space.

Its totally random/per player in match. CRC=no this would be actually easy from what I have been told, and wouldnt hog up too much space here.

Admin wouldnt be required to do anything unless there was a problem. Common sense(in here???) would be that it would be a very good stop for some of the petty crap that is used.

You might get caught, well, I'll risk it once? yes no? at first I am sure several players would challenge it saying, wont catch me. Then after 2 weeks, the shear drama of idiots kicked off teams would justify it.

Its not perfect, but its easy, %100 workable, allows you to have your game the way you like it, and is a deterent.

This would be for match play only.

buiZe

ButtWeiserKing of Queers

2002-08-12 16:33

I guess that would work.
What percent of the community would you assume actually cheats?

Britney Speared

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-12 16:34

DAMN U FLYGUY U WILL RUIN MY NEWLY ACQUIRED CHEATS.

Coba|t

It's spelledB-U-D-D-H-A

2002-08-12 16:37

Or you could make someone take a screenshot of a vehic being made, while a turret is next to it, with a mine on the ground, and send it in?

KryandArturo

Owned by TotalCarnage

2002-08-12 16:40

uhh lemme get this straight. The scripts people edit to give themselves cheats, are taken from their comp temporarily stored on TWL, so that people can see if the files were edited? Or wtf?

Hi i dont bring the funny, if you see me trying to please flame me

Death1080

TWL Member

2002-08-12 16:41

Originally posted by: Coba|t

Or you could make someone take a screenshot of a vehic being made, while a turret is next to it, with a mine on the ground, and send it in?

dont forget to put the mine infront of the deployed inventory station

Rilke

TWL Member

2002-08-12 16:41

Very interes...HACKED BY CHINESE!

Coba|t

It's spelledB-U-D-D-H-A

2002-08-12 16:46

I forbid you to quote that

Golgac

TWL Member

2002-08-12 17:07

Originally posted by: Flyguy

I sent this in on the post for input at tribes council. Wonder if it was ever brought up.

From what was posted I think the only things brought up at council was Sierra telling the council exactly what was gonna happen. Something that could have just been posted on their site. Oh yeah and they got beta aerial assault. vgw

cimat1984

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2002-08-12 17:42

Originally posted by: Rilke

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cimat1984

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2002-08-12 17:42

Originally posted by: Coba|t

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Rhodium

TWL Member

2002-08-12 17:54

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

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Durak-

POON'S BITCH

2002-08-12 17:55

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

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Coba|t

It's spelledB-U-D-D-H-A

2002-08-12 18:36

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Coba|t

I forbid you to quote that

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NYC

TWL Contributor

2002-08-12 18:40

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

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Shoddy

TWL Member

2002-08-12 19:10

I would imagine it would be considerably easier to modify the "uploader" program to upload the expected version of a file than it is to make most of the cheats.

Turtle

COKC WARSHER!

2002-08-12 19:32

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

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Forensic

TWL Member

2002-08-12 19:36

Shoddy the script could be distributed in dso form in a vl2 file. This way people can't edit the code (and deleting dsos wont break it since it's inside a vl2)

Flyguy

TWL Contributor

2002-08-12 19:46

Originally posted by: KryandArturo

uhh lemme get this straight. The scripts people edit to give themselves cheats, are taken from their comp temporarily stored on TWL, so that people can see if the files were edited? Or wtf?

i knew someone would have to get beligerent. damn...use your head bro. A COPY, program grabs, copies, and stores a random file that is known to be "edited" or "hacked. You keep it on your comp. YOU LOSE NOTHING. But there is a random file that is open for reveiw by captains, so if anyone gets caught, it can be handled and not denied. No, you dont check every single thing that someone can edit/hack to cheat. but out of all the known things, make a copy avialable for 1 hour to be reviewed. damn

see???/ THIS is why so much petty crap happens in here. For how long have CRC been an issue? Here is a vaible, simple, low impact way to manage it. Then 5 guys show up to do quote bumping. Nice. Then the nitpicker shows up.

Not meaning to pick on you bro. honest. Just struck a nerve.

Post edited by Flyguy at 8/12/2002 7:52:07 PM

psycore

wannabe Rockstar

2002-08-12 19:54

I dont use them, but honestly, i dont have a problem with skinned items.

I have a problem with nofog, autobeacon ect...

Flyguy

TWL Contributor

2002-08-12 20:01

Originally posted by: psycore

I dont use them, but honestly, i dont have a problem with skinned items.

I have a problem with nofog, autobeacon ect...

exqactly. now, how does one use no fog? a few ways right. mostly known? Autobeacon. Script. there is a chance that one of these could be picked at random. That would be a partial deterent. But, if it is copied for review. Then they are tarred and feathered.

guys, to clarify. 10-20 seperate items. 1 is picked at random, per player. it is tagged with player name and copied, held for review for 1 hour following the match being reported. Then after 1 hour, if noone protests, its dumped to save hd space.

Rilke

TWL Member

2002-08-12 20:02

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

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Phyzx

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-12 20:04

Originally posted by: Rilke

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

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MolimOrion

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2002-08-12 20:31

Originally posted by: Phyzx
Originally posted by: Rilke

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

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Banditman

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-12 22:47

I can think of quite a few reasons it won't work.

First off, someone could easily set up a "cheatloader" the way it was done in T1. Remember, in T1 certain files were checked when you joined the server, however, certain "clever" individuals realized that once they were on the server, they could activate another script which loaded all their mine skins, turret skins, etc.

Secondly, the "official" files could easily still exist on the player's computer, and of course the "uploader" program would happily send them on their way to the "holding" area. However, another VL2 could then replace the items. Remember, T2 works with DSO's, not .CS files. So, you'd really need to grab the DSO's to "check" . . . unfortunately those are compiled and nothing but "garbage" to look at.

ThrillKillKulT

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-12 22:56

i am for anything that helps detect cheaters. as long as it doesnt slow down the start times too much and not cause lag. go for it IMO.

LouCypher

TWL Member

2002-08-12 23:25

You're not getting ME to run anyone's compiled .DSO crap.

It's easy enough to write a script to steal someone's auth info for WON authentication. Also just as easy to use that collected info to logon as someone else.

TWL Member

2002-08-13 01:17

Originally posted by: MolimOrion

Originally posted by: Phyzx
Originally posted by: Rilke

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

Very interes...HACKED BY CHINESE!

Flyguy

TWL Contributor

2002-08-13 01:32

Originally posted by: LouCypher

You're not getting ME to run anyone's compiled .DSO crap.

It's easy enough to write a script to steal someone's auth info for WON authentication. Also just as easy to use that collected info to logon as someone else.

brother. Having been through this before....see Moops Waypoints script if you can find it. We got RAILED. Why? won Auth. check me if I am wrong on this. Guys, they only thing a program can get in game is player name, team or teams registered with, and GUID. It cant get a cd key, or registration info.

Second part. Some using auto loader. Fine. It WILL come out. We know this. And it WILL then be known. Someone always blabs. Then, its not a problem.

Guys, not trying to stir up a huge deal. Trying to help some of the petty things.

Files to check... mine skins, spider, spike, base turret skins, cloak skin, whiteout skin, water, fog.
Then, include ANYTHING, in scripts folder. None of this is very big. I seriously dont see it taking more than a few seconds to upload this.

Somesaid, I wont have .dso on my comp. Bro, if TWL sponsors this, and we all agree to get it and use it, how can it hurt. You have to trust someone. You say you wont have .dso on your comp. You use any scripts? If so, there is a strong chance you have some.

LittleWing

PROUD TO BE ME

2002-08-13 01:37

Alot of teams have private coordination scripts etc that they don't want released or seen.

Skyhunter

Can't Use Fileplanet

2002-08-13 01:44

Originally posted by: ^

Originally posted by: MolimOrion

Originally posted by: Phyzx
Originally posted by: Rilke

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

Very interes...HACKED BY CHINESE!

ZUPanther

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-13 02:22

Make it so.

Flyguy

TWL Contributor

2002-08-13 02:24

Originally posted by: LittleWing

Alot of teams have private coordination scripts etc that they don't want released or seen.

this isnt for public release bro. And if one team can use it, all be allowed access for a truely level playing feild. I DO understand that things like QFire coordinates are something that teams put work into, and things like that SHOULDNT be seen. but most of it, wont harm anyone if they see team X is using something. And it not like you can DL these things. You look at something like a png. Who cars if its got to be opened in a paint or photo app. scripts. Look at the name for 1. Ifits not from a recognised scriptor and available for general release, ask a TWL admin to review it.

Changing script names. Ask for review by admin. wont take him 5 mins. He keeps clean install just for this. throws it in, fires up t2. looks and says, yes or no.
Hey, pay a dollar for each reveiw. It goes to TWL. If it legit problem, no charge. If its all clear, you have contributed 1 dollar to our lifestyle.

Post edited by Flyguy at 8/13/2002 2:25:04 AM

LittleWing

PROUD TO BE ME

2002-08-13 02:26

Flyguy

TWL Contributor

2002-08-13 02:26

guys above all, its the idea that you could be caught using illegel things that will deter most of it.

LittleWing

PROUD TO BE ME

2002-08-13 02:30

^^^true

Flyguy

TWL Contributor

2002-08-13 02:33

thats the heart of it lw the idea that you will/can get busted

Phyzx

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-13 03:54

Originally posted by: Skyhunter

Originally posted by: ^

Originally posted by: MolimOrion

Originally posted by: Phyzx

Originally posted by: Rilke

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

Very interes...HACKED BY CHINESE!

Post edited by Phyzx at 8/13/2002 3:55:30 AM

sQu33ze

TWL Member

2002-08-13 08:19

Originally posted by: Phyzx

Originally posted by: Skyhunter

Originally posted by: ^

Originally posted by: MolimOrion

Originally posted by: Phyzx

Originally posted by: Rilke

Originally posted by: Turtle

Originally posted by: NYC

Originally posted by: Durak-

Originally posted by: Rhodium

Originally posted by: cimat1984

Originally posted by: Rilke

Very interes...HACKED BY CHINESE!

rofl those chinese sure know how to interrupt a guy
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Kiwi

TeamWarfare Vet

2002-08-13 09:41

Originally posted by: LittleWing

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