Week 7 Delay

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-19 16:18

I'm not here to rant, but I'd like to point out that delaying Week 7 until the first may be a little short-sighted. It seems to me that while there will certainly be players out of town on the 24th, there will likely be far more players out of town on the 1st since it's a Monday following the holiday weekend.

The decision to postpone the match a week was obviously made with the best intentions, but it seems to only be a half-solution. It's common knowledge that getting the season finished out before the New Year is not a possibility, so why the rush? If the match is pushed back to the 8th, that gives EVERYONE ample time to get back in town and be prepared for the match.

I will personally be out of town until the 4th, and I know there are other members of my group who will also not be available on the 1st. It's unlikely that we are the only group who is going to have this problem.
Post edited by -huggz at 11/19/2008 4:23:45 PM

Russd3

TeamWarfare VetRetired Sr. StaffTWL Contributor

2008-11-19 16:35

The Thanksgiving break is site-wide policy that is set by senior staff, not AA staff. All aspects of TWL competition shut down Monday morning and will not reopen until the following Monday. I would much rather mandate play next Monday but I am not allowed to do so.

With that said I had my staff post the match 2 weeks in advance which allows ample opportunity to work with your opponent to reschedule if desired.

-huggz

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-19 16:41

So when the other team won't play the 24th because they have guys out of town, are you going to award them a forfeit because we will have guys out of town on the 1st?

We can have all the time in the world and it doesn't do anyone a bit of good if the other team is going to exploit the situation and refuse to reschedule.
Post edited by -huggz at 11/19/2008 4:43:32 PM

-Maynard

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-19 17:20

Yes, because the 24th is not the default date. If you can't make the default and they are not willing to reschedule than it is too bad for you.

edit: I highly doubt more people would be able to make a match the week of thanksgiving than the Monday after it. I'm sure the majority of people going out of town will need to be back for school/work/etc the next week.
Post edited by -Maynard at 11/19/2008 5:22:48 PM

Kapeket!!

TeamWarFare Vet

2008-11-19 17:27

So why not do the obvious thing and delay THIS league, for the AMERICA'S ARMY LEAGUE, two weeks to ensure everyone is back and ready to go ... with the ability to prep rather than get home on Sunday from travel, no practice for presumably 4-5 days if you have traveled, like 4 of our crew is doing, then play a match with almost no prep.

Two week delay makes sense and keeps everyone on an even, balanced match schedule.

Otherwise, it slights one group and benefits the other.

Discuss.

Russ already said that there is no way we will complete this season before the holidays (xmas and nye) in the Leadership forum. What is one more week?

fresh

Miller Lite eh?TeamWarfare Vet

2008-11-19 17:51

do whatever huggz says.

Screwtape

TeamWarfare Vet

2008-11-19 18:17

Originally posted by: Kapeket!!
Two week delay makes sense and keeps everyone on an even, balanced match schedule.

Otherwise, it slights one group and benefits the other.

I'm with this cat. I don't play so i don't have a interest, but it seems most ppl i know get next wed/thurs/fri off work/school. Monday, the 24th, for most people is 'business as usual' and then on that Wednesday everyone splits to head to their families or whatever (I personally don't have to travel so either date would work for me and I wouldn't be a prick and not reschedule). The people that travel might come back on Friday, or stay for the weekend, either way, that week is basically shot, in terms of "getting ready for my online shooter game match." Seems to me the 24th would be a much better date to play on than the Monday following. I would either change the default date to the 24th (which you can't do) or use your AA Specific Magnificant Godlike Powers to rectify this and actually give the people who do have to travel a break and suspend play for the 1st also.

And you compress the season, if length is a factor, by doing the playoffs tournament style, 1 map, short time limit, and do the entire playoffs one 1 date like over a 2-3 hr period. AADraft style it. Would be exciting, instead of going from 8 or 16 or however many teams to 1 champ over the course of 3/4 weeks, you do it in a few hours. Have to have some type of ircbot or shout/vidcast or something though to make it an event. And I'll hear none of this talk about "we don't change rules midseason." It's the last season, get a little ZANY with it.

Ro-Longo

TWL Member

2008-11-19 23:23

The season has schedule has already been delayed multiple times, whats wrong with delaying it more. Past the Dec 1st schedule for week 7.

Some people will be out of town for the enire week of Thanksgiving and some won't make it back for the DEC 1st sceduled time.

Delaying 1 more additional week would make it some everyone has an equal chance.

Shorten the playoffs to something like screwtape mentioned would be a good idea.

Russd3

TeamWarfare VetRetired Sr. StaffTWL Contributor

2008-11-20 00:50

If enough people want to delay it then I don't have a problem doing so. Regardless of the set-up we are indeed going to be looking at a few playoff matches after New Years.

I am more inclined to keep the playoff format intact. Even if only playing 1 map it would be a little crazy trying to hold 4 rounds in one night.

Back to the subject at hand.
~~http://www.teamwarfare.com/ballot/ballot.asp?ballotid=749~~

Edit: Ok, I just opened my email to find 15 emails in there asking to delay to the 8th. The 8th it will be then. I am going to instruct my staff to go ahead and post week 8 matches as well which will allow teams some flexibility of trying to play matches early if they so desire.
Post edited by Russd3 at 11/20/2008 1:02:58 AM

Russd3

TeamWarfare VetRetired Sr. StaffTWL Contributor

2008-11-20 01:11

My full thought process on this and what I posted to my staff word for word:

Unfortunately we can not force teams to play on the 24th. Though it has yet to be posted TWL Thanksgiving Amnesty will begin the morning of the 24th. This is a site wide policy and no shows can not be awarded during this time.

I have had tons of people send me email and PM me on IRC asking to delay week 7 for two weeks and resume play on the 8th. I am not overly thrilled with multiple delays but they do have a very valid point. To avoid the travel rush a lot of people are flying back after the weekend and would miss a match on the 1st. Couple that with the fact a lot of people will not be around during Thanksgiving week to practice for a match makes forcing matches on the 1st a little difficult.

These are the 2 senerios we have:

1. Delay one week and resume one the 1st. This would allow us to finish the season plus get one of the 4 playoff rounds completed before the 2 week Christmas/New Years break.

2. Delay two weeks and resume on the 8th. This would allow us to complete the season prior to Christmas/New Years with playoffs starting after the break.

I have decided after some thought to go with the 2nd option. Regardless what we do this is carrying over into January so what is the difference of one week in the grand scheme of things.

Post edited by Darsus at 11/20/2008 9:35:43 AM

-unholy

TWL Member

2008-11-20 01:12

okay so what just happened.

Week 7 matches are delayed to December 8th?

Ro-Longo

TWL Member

2008-11-20 01:17

I think thats what he said.

Makes alot more sense to finish up the regular season during Thanksgiving and X-mas. Then go into the playoffs after the holidays. Better for competition.

Post edited by Ro-Longo at 11/20/2008 1:17:16 AM

Russd3

TeamWarfare VetRetired Sr. StaffTWL Contributor

2008-11-20 01:18

Originally posted by: Un}{oly
okay so what just happened.

Week 7 matches are delayed to December 8th?

Week 7 will be scheduled for the 12/8 and Week 8 will be scheduled for 12/15. I am asking my staff to add the week 8 schedules asap so teams will have access to both match comms. This will allow teams the flexibility to try and schedule these matches early if people desire to do so.

The season will end on 12/15 and playoffs will pick up after the holiday break. It is not ideal but it is the best I can offer to keep the majority of everyone happy.

-huggz

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-20 02:07

Good call Russ, we appreciate it very much.

SniperC(SF-D)

That GuyTeamwarfare Vet

2008-11-20 09:12

Read and acknowledged Russ.

nmg.widowmaker

TWL Member

2008-11-20 09:47

Russd3 can you sticky this so that it's OFFICIAL. When does 3.0 come out? I hope we can complete this season before this happens. Just trying to think ahead so that we won't run into any further delays.

Darsus

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-20 10:09

We will be able to get the season finished. Everything that I have read, 3.0 is not in Beta yet.

Darsus

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-20 10:16

Originally posted by: Big Balla
it gives my fingers time to rest thanks for the delays, i should be back and ready for the 8th of december. I just hope i dont get a papercut or anything like that.

HAHAHA!!!

Balla you work to hard if you are getting paper cuts.

Screwtape

TeamWarfare Vet

2008-11-20 11:32

Originally posted by: -huggz
Good call Russ.

basickujo

TWL Member

2008-11-20 14:20

so maybe its me but im a little cornfused lol are we only supposed to reschedule week 7 the weapons cache or both week 7&8 untill after the 8th all the dates that where tossed around got me cornfused

Jesterss

TeamWarfare Vet

2008-11-20 14:41

whatever dates ur opponents agree to.. but the dates on ur match comms are the deadlines^^

WarGamer

TeamWarfare VetTWL Retired Staff

2008-11-21 11:06

Originally posted by: basickujo
so maybe its me but im a little cornfused lol are we only supposed to reschedule week 7 the weapons cache or both week 7&8 untill after the 8th all the dates that where tossed around got me cornfused

Originally posted by: Russd3
My full thought process on this and what I posted to my staff word for word:

Unfortunately we can not force teams to play on the 24th. Though it has yet to be posted TWL Thanksgiving Amnesty will begin the morning of the 24th. This is a site wide policy and no shows can not be awarded during this time.

I have had tons of people send me email and PM me on IRC asking to delay week 7 for two weeks and resume play on the 8th. I am not overly thrilled with multiple delays but they do have a very valid point. To avoid the travel rush a lot of people are flying back after the weekend and would miss a match on the 1st. Couple that with the fact a lot of people will not be around during Thanksgiving week to practice for a match makes forcing matches on the 1st a little difficult.

These are the 2 senerios we have:

1. Delay one week and resume one the 1st. This would allow us to finish the season plus get one of the 4 playoff rounds completed before the 2 week Christmas/New Years break.

2. Delay two weeks and resume on the 8th. This would allow us to complete the season prior to Christmas/New Years with playoffs starting after the break.

I have decided after some thought to go with the 2nd option. Regardless what we do this is carrying over into January so what is the difference of one week in the grand scheme of things.

ok and your confused how?

nmg.widowmaker

TWL Member

2008-11-21 14:11

Here ya go Kuj. You have a match on the 8th and 15th. That's if you don't reschedule them for a different date.
:0) I was bummed to see your pipe match was a ffw. Latta.

Originally posted by: Russd3

Week 7 will be scheduled for the 12/8 and Week 8 will be scheduled for 12/15. I am asking my staff to add the week 8 schedules asap so teams will have access to both match comms. This will allow teams the flexibility to try and schedule these matches early if people desire to do so.

The season will end on 12/15 and playoffs will pick up after the holiday break. It is not ideal but it is the best I can offer to keep the majority of everyone happy.

docjones

TWL Member

2008-11-22 03:10

anyone american here? Who the fawk leaves town the monday of T-day? In America, its business as usual monday - wednesday, then the holiday starts with thurs- sunday. No one gets work off, schools are still in... so this outa town shit is just that shit. waste of fkn time for one goon ( huggz ) who will be standing in line for a free meal come monday and cant make the match, keep it real.

Tango^

TWL Member

2008-11-22 10:23

Originally posted by: docjones
anyone american here? Who the fawk leaves town the monday of T-day? In America, its business as usual monday - wednesday, then the holiday starts with thurs- sunday. No one gets work off, schools are still in... so this outa town shit is just that shit. waste of fkn time for one goon ( huggz ) who will be standing in line for a free meal come monday and cant make the match, keep it real.

do you have anything good to say, ever????? you should start a vineyard. Take the extra 2 weeks and learn WC and Urban.

Russd3

TeamWarfare VetRetired Sr. StaffTWL Contributor

2008-11-22 15:55

You are walking on VERY thin ice docjones. You just came off of a 14 day forum ban last night. The next one starts at 30 days.

As had already been stated it is site wide policy (not just AA) that this place shuts down Monday morning. Do the math and you will realize no matter what we do we will be playing some playoff matches after New Year. The season itself will be over before Christmas break.
Post edited by -Ru$$d3^ at 11/22/2008 3:59:01 PM

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