Allowing PJG Mod in matches

I would like to address an issue in matches on Force Skins. I don't understand on how we want to keep the ladders clean of cheaters, yet the twl rules permit an option to allow cheating. The PJG security mod will help us in this issue. Now, we just had a match agains a 3 and 4 squad that instantly ( I mean instantly) made sure that we had force skins on. Now, that instantly makes me wonder what is the reason for this. Then, as the match went on, it was obvious that they were using flourescent skins. They would approach a guy (could hear them walking) who was around a corner, they would stop...pull out a nade...or turn around and come from a different angle. Needless to say, we were completely trounced in this match. Now, most of the people on TWL know us, and we are some of the best players out there. To be completely dominated is not the issue. The issue of correcting a flaw in the system is what our TWL admins need to address.

It's a shame to me that we can make one simple change to our twl rules that would eliminate 75% of the cheaters out there.
Post edited by >TvS< Face [ATeam] at 2/2/2003 9:46:27 PM

Where have you been? We aren't gonna run any mods at any time on spearhead. Why? B/c the new patch is coming out soon with sv_pure fixed. Sv_pure will make it where no one can even join the game unless its totally cleaned. BTW don't come here complaining..if you have a prob take it up with an admin

crimsonblake@mail.teamwarfare.com

I don't think it's necessary to be so hostile... we read the forums and we know about sv_pure... regardless, it would be nice if people weren't allowed to force skins for the time being. And since when are people not allowed to whine in the forums... that's all people do in here... lol.



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Well, I've been here. Daily. I know what your plans are to do in the future. But this is the present. I am not complaining, I am suggesting. Big difference. And, we are addressing an admin directly. That was done first. I feel that this is a item that we all should post our view on, so I'm giving it the opportunity. Don't shoot the messenger as you have done. This is a problem, looking for a simple solution currently available.

Thank you.

I totally understand you guys feel. Remember i play on these same ladders as well. I can't stand cheating as much as you can't. But lets just try and hang in there 1 or 2 more weeks til this patch comes out. IF the sv_pure doesn't work perfectly..we will look at other options.

Originally posted by: Crimsonblake

I totally understand you guys feel. Remember i play on these same ladders as well. I can't stand cheating as much as you can't. But lets just try and hang in there 1 or 2 more weeks til this patch comes out. IF the sv_pure doesn't work perfectly..we will look at other options.

Crimson, EA has proven in the past that they are not the most reliable company when it comes to doing what they say they will. Based on this your "1 or 2 more weeks" could possibly take months. What Face is suggesting could be implemented immediately and has the potential to reduce the amount of cheating without affecting game play significantly or improperly singling out people as cheaters.

Please don't be so quick to dismiss a suggestion to reduce cheating in SH or your ladders could suffer the same fate as the AA ladders.

Originally posted by: [DR]JAFO[SS]

Originally posted by: Crimsonblake

I totally understand you guys feel. Remember i play on these same ladders as well. I can't stand cheating as much as you can't. But lets just try and hang in there 1 or 2 more weeks til this patch comes out. IF the sv_pure doesn't work perfectly..we will look at other options.

Crimson, EA has proven in the past that they are not the most reliable company when it comes to doing what they say they will. Based on this your "1 or 2 more weeks" could possibly take months. What Face is suggesting could be implemented immediately and has the potential to reduce the amount of cheating without affecting game play significantly or improperly singling out people as cheaters.

Please don't be so quick to dismiss a suggestion to reduce cheating in SH or your ladders could suffer the same fate as the AA ladders.

Here's the facts. I have no control over this situation. I was told the scenario. We are waiting for the patch..thats final. Not my call.

LMAO, are you talking about us TVS? There was a program on that server that was forcing skins on us because some of my guys complained that the skin that they had chosen was not that skin that others saw them with, and forced models was off. If that program was just unforcing models, that would be fine, but it seemed to do something else too, and if you are going to try to use something like that you should have asked in match comms and we would have probably agreed. The Problem with using programs like that is that they can also force models, like we assumed it was, and the clan with the server can set those skins. With that in place, they could cheat all they wanted while holding to the fact that they are using an anti-cheat program.
I wasent in the match so i dont know about specific times that my guys were allegedly "using florescant skins", but to the best of my knowledge, they werent. I assume that it is us you were talking about, so if not than this is irrelevant. Honestly though, if you have some proof lets have it so we can take care of this and you can not make flaming posts on this board, like you were asked not to. As a clan leader, its impossible to see everyones computer, but we try hard to make sure ppl are playing clean, so feel free to mail me names daveop@wideopenwest.com fs there is anyone that i should check out.

As far as sv_pure goes, we cant wait. The idea that noone can have custom pk3 files is awesome. The sad thing is that i bet days after it comes out, there will be hacks, but hopefully not even close to the extent of MoH. GG last night anyway TvS.

There are a number of clans we've played that have complained. The mod is the PJG force security mod. It doesn't allow people to force models and that's it. It doesn't force a certain model on anyone unless I have it set that way and I didn't so any claims along those lines are wrong. All we want is for people to not be able to force models. When someone comes on the server and immediately complains, that is a red flag that something is up. I never play with force models and none of our clan does. Why do you need to force models? There is no good reason. We, for one, are open to any clan that wants to have a match with no force models or even one that wants to run a program like Delator. When a clan comes into a game and immediately complains that they can't force models... what are you supposed to think? We try not to make accusations, but we've played this game for a LONG time and there was some fishy stuff going on. Peace out.



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Originally posted by: >TvS< B.A.Baracus [ATeam**]

There are a number of clans we've played that have complained. The mod is the PJG force security mod. It doesn't allow people to force models and that's it. It doesn't force a certain model on anyone unless I have it set that way and I didn't so any claims along those lines are wrong. All we want is for people to not be able to force models. When someone comes on the server and immediately complains, that is a red flag that something is up. I never play with force models and none of our clan does. Why do you need to force models? There is no good reason. We, for one, are open to any clan that wants to have a match with no force models or even one that wants to run a program like Delator. When a clan comes into a game and immediately complains that they can't force models... what are you supposed to think? We try not to make accusations, but we've played this game for a LONG time and there was some fishy stuff going on. Peace out.

Ok well send me an email exactly how it works. You should explain in full detail how these thigns work...some of us don't know.

Any mods that would be excepted into the ladders would have to IMO be made sully for the ladder..

That means there should be no way to adjusted the settings, and no extra garbage should be in the mod.

So if the ladder voted to have a mod for disabling force models. Then we would have to make a mod that did just that and nothing more (except maybe a little spam message at the beginning of each round to assure the mod is running on the server).

And the mod would have to be designed to disallow the ability to enable/disabled it's functionality. It would already be setup according to the rules at hand.

But it's all irrelevant if sv_pure works. Because sv_pure will not even allow the server to have mods.
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btw Force Models are the least of your worries.

TvS, the fact is that you CANNOT just run that on the server. You werent even going to say anything at all about it, and we asked that it be removed. Post in match comms so we know ahead of time, and we would have been happy to use it. If we ever play again, we would be happy to use that mod, so remind me next time.

Also I stand corrected by myself. We should be able to use MODs during matches even with sv_pure working. Because I believe MODs will work with sv_pure enabled as long as the server and everyone connecting to it have the same MOD. Just like the default pak#.pk3 files. So it should work no problemoa.

Originally posted by: Crimsonblake

Where have you been? We aren't gonna run any mods at any time on spearhead. Why? B/c the new patch is coming out soon with sv_pure fixed. Sv_pure will make it where no one can even join the game unless its totally cleaned. BTW don't come here complaining..if you have a prob take it up with an admin

crimsonblake@mail.teamwarfare.com

And where have you been? The demo bersion had sv_pure in it, and that was cracked in less then a day. Oh yah, what about your post that says that Berlin might be added in thanks to a mod by Mr_nStuff?
Post edited by Blasney at 2/4/2003 12:10:31 AM

Hmm.. To crack sv_pure you would have to crack the executable or one of the DLL's right?
Wont the uncracked server sv_pure pick up on that?

Not sure though.
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Will do Maj. Mac... thanks for the post.



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hey TvS, thanx for being such a classy team. hope that we meet you again sometime on the ladders.

mac