Cheaters...

Could you make a thread or news or whatever about clans/players caught cheating ?!

TeamWarfare does not publicize cheaters we catch, although I personally like the idea.

I will talk to some senior admins, and see what I can do.

TWL Admins can post people who are cought cheating if they have solid proof. But not alot of Admins put this into play as sometimes paronoia sets in.

But I am 99% sure as RTCW forums have had admins post clans cought cheating before on forums. And Sys admins was awear of this. But yes check, I am pretty sure it allowed weather Wiz and TC want to see People posted here is another matter

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I'd like to see some clan's aired out on here. I think it's a nice kick in the face to the team's that think they are good but are cheating to not only get thrown off the ladder but to be announced as cheaters. I do agree that solid proof is a must you don't want to be publicly humiliating a clan only to find out they were never cheating.

You all seem very quick to judge.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Suppose one guy on your team is caught cheating. Someone you thought was totally against it. Then the TWL Admins ruin your clan rep because of this one guy. Then everybody assumes your entire clan cheats. Let's face it, you can never be 100% sure about your clan members. Hell, I've had friends in real life turn 180s on their friends and families.

I know my worst nightmare is for one of my guys to cheat. It would ruin everything I've worked hard to present to the gaming community. Just keep one thing in mind when you jump on for the "Let's kill the entire clan when they get caught" bangwagon:

People who live in glass houses...

I'm not saying take it easy on the cheaters, but take it easy on the clan that got cheated because of that one person.

Alot of you guys that are lighting your torches just might end up in the same predicament, and I know you would hope that some people would give your clan the benefit of the doubt.

Just think about it.
Post edited by ROA RAIDER at 6/3/2003 12:50:02 PM

I know, but I also know they caught cheaters and I didnt learned it here....It could be "interesting" to know who cheats, not only for league play but for pubs...

Raider, we know who the cheaters are, and only act on it if two or more admins are 110% sure they are cheating.

Along those same lines, we can also tell (based on experience) if it's an isolated player, or a whole team thing.

Wizard can answer for himself but this is how I normally approach the cheaters issue now. I normally don't post about it because it fuels the paranoia surrounding cheating. And, in the case of a player being removed, can tarnish the name of a team for no good reason. If asked, I will answer questions regarding those teams for teams who are slated to play them. In most cases an observer will be assign to a few of their matches as well.

If the founder of a team is caught cheating then the team is most likely gone. Sorry, but if the big dog does it, then most likely the rest of them do. If I become your founder all of a sudden, rest assured you been caught

If we determine that a player is cheating we'll notify their founder. What happens next is what determines the demise of the team. In most cases the player is removed after the proof is shown and the team is normally penalzied for that match (forfeited). In some cases there may even be rung reductions. If the team takes no action against the player then I'll remove the team myself.

We aren't here to penalize an entire team because of one bad apple, but by the same token we do have to look out for the honest players that play at TeamWarfare. Each case can be different. If alot of a players on a given team are cheating then most likely the entire team will be removed.

Other reasons for getting kicked off the Ladders:
Banned players rejoining the team. Its the founders job to keep those players off. If you have been banned from TWL match play rejoining your team can result in their removal from TWL.

Repeated unsportsmanlike conduct and/or disrespect being shown to the admins can also result in your team being removed from ladder/league play. Every admin here volunteers their time to manage the activities that go here. We don't get paid for any of it. As a result there is no reason to disrespect the admins that manage the ladders. If you have an issue with an admin you are welcome to take it to the next person over his/her head. You can find lists at http://teamwarfare.com/staff.asp

In essence, play nice, don't cheat and don't ruin the game for the teams that are here to have a good time.
Post edited by TotalCarnage at 6/3/2003 2:40:51 PM



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Well said carnage.

Nj.

Sounds good to me, it just seems that the paranoia was fueling some scarlet letter messes.

I just hope gamers that are so adament about banning teams for one player are given mercy if their team is ever found to have a cheater on their roster.

I think the remaining team should be somewhat responsible. I mean if you play with someone through their eyes in pubs & practice, you should know something is up. Also, the rest of the team benefitted from the cheater, they should also suffer some of the consequences.

I mean there's the possiblity for a banned player to rejoin via smurfing. There has to be more reprecussions to a caught cheater and causing harm to his whole team needs to be one of them. There needs to be an incentive for cleans to create an atmosphere that does not welcome cheaters. Maybe not a ban for the whole team, but definitely rung reduction & some kind of probation.

If a member of my team was caught cheating in a match, I would lobby my leadership to have us voluntarily dropped to the bottom, basically a start-over. I wouldn't feel right being where I was with help from a cheater.

Well heres an interesting point to make also...You recruit a good player.. You observe him while he practices and what not and he seems like a good player, then come match time he rocks the cheat. One would just think, man hes having a good game tonight because weve seen him in practice and hes a legit player. This kind of stuff also happens. And lets face the facts here too, alot of cheaters do a good job of masking there cheats. If some guy is rocking a wall hack, all hed really have to do to keep from looking fishy is carry around a HBS to act like hes looking for that and not through the wall. This same situation plauged Medal of Honor for months, even to the point that the ladders were shut down for a month or two. But like there this is just fueling the fire for accusations.

Now im a long time anti cheat guy. TC and the MOH admins can tell you this, i have even helped them with ideas to help catch cheaters in it. In all honesty though, once all the accusing and what not stopped the game continued on, and is still going strong to this day, and you rarely EVER see anyone accusing of hacks anymore.

As i stated earlier though, there are people who can mask there cheating ways. I personally make folks go through a pretty stiff recruitment process before i let them join. I HATE CHEATERS, and will be damned if i let one in the clan knowingly. But sometimes the temptation of dled improvement can get the best of some players. YOu may recruit a clean player who ends up being a cheater later down the road. would you want your whole clan banned cause of one player who changed his ways without you knowing? If i ever found out one of my guys was cheating and had solid proof of this id boot his ass right then and there and let the community know that this guy is a smacktard. I know my points may not have much validation with you guys seeing were not on the ladder yet, but we will be soon. We just want a solid team first and to get this we have to make sure our players are up to PAR on all standards first. Last thing i wanna do is make a nice run, and end up losing it cause of some ass i recruited and didnt put through the proper phases before we started to compete. Hopefully this ANTI CHEAT that TWL is working on will work, cause first thing ill do is run all my crew through it. So lets just hope it helps, and lets just try to keep the cries of CHEAT to a minimal till this comes along. We really have no proof at the moment that anyone is cheating. Any given sunday gentleman, is a statement that is soooooo true in games. Ive seen the supposed best of the best get beat, then they think its not possible so you must have cheated. Thats a piss poor attitude. No one clan will always be the greatest, even though they may think they are. Frag On


Save a tree, Eat a BEAVER...!

I've just seen some clan members in pubs be so obvious, there's no way their clanmates are un-aware. Hopefully the guy just pubs with cheats. Anyway, there's no reason for that clan to kick that guy, if the clan doesn't atleast risk some repercussion. I mean if the guy get caught in a match, oh well.

I mean I've seen some serious stuff by guys with tags. It's just frustrating to know their clan leadership doesn't care.

For our clan we definately have a zero tolerance policy. If one of our members is cheating in any way, they are gone...No if, ands, or buts.

If future patches of RVS allow for ban lists that are accessible in plain text, we as a community could start sharing ban lists and building uber ban lists that all clan servers can use. In essence, you get caught on one of our servers, your gone from them all!! Just like a las vegas casino! I think this would be a good way to start thinning the heards!

I agree 100 percent...But if a clan is told that they have a member cheating, and given evidence to this fact but still do nothing to get rid of him should be banned. That goes without question. The second i got solid evidence of one of my guys cheating hed be booted wit the swiftness. I do not and will not tolerate guys in my clan cheating.

I just dont really understand the mentality of a cheater. Why would you want to cheat in a game any way? To be the best, LMFAO. If you cheat, you're as far from the best as you can possibly be. Your not owning other players, your programs are. Thats why i dont understand this cheating mentality. I play these games to TRY to be one of the best at that game. I do this by playing countless hours and coming up wit strats for boards. YOU WILL NEVER BE THE BEST WIT DLed SKILLS. Your just fooling yourself into thinking your the man. The reason you Dled this shit in the first place is cause you sucked, and needed help cause you cant handle a learning curve.

My theory on cheaters is this.

I personally think that most cheaters in games are people who usually get there way in life, but for some reason suck at video games. So since there so used to getting there way all the time, they think "Well shit, if i cant beat em, ill cheat em." Cheaters are PUSSIES, who cant handle being beaten by someone else. Thats why i think cheaters are candy asses who in REAL LIFE always get things there way and no other. SO they cant handle it, the pressure builds. Man i kick everyones ass in dodgeball at school, but im getting shot by this fagnoid wit a 115 ping and mines 23 and i shot before he did, and blah,blah,blah...So he goes and gets himself some cheats so he can be on top again..Then again i may be wrong. But the tall and skinny of the whole fact is



IF YOU CHEAT YOUR OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO COMPENSATE FOR LACK OF OWN SKILL CAUSE YOU SUCK............
Save a tree, Eat a BEAVER...!

I think I've mentioned this before: If you kill a cheater, they are a loser cuz they can't win with cheats. If you get killed by a cheater, they're still a loser cuz they cheat.

In short CHEATERS=LOSERS

Originally posted by: TotalCarnage

If the founder of a team is caught cheating then the team is most likely gone. Sorry, but if the big dog does it, then most likely the rest of them do. If I become your founder all of a sudden, rest assured you been caught

That maybe so TC but its not always the case. My Former clan was removed when the founders were caught using chams in a match (2 vs 2) but on a whole its is my personnel belief that it was the clan leadership only. I know I certainly didn’t and I left them when I confirmed it myself.

Now I’m new to RS but I know damm well there are people using cheats in pub play and in matches so if there is paranoia I doubt very much it will being increased by reporting cheaters.

I am against posting specifics due to the fact sometimes its wrong but maybe a general statements saying an individual(s), team etc. has been banned. So we know that TWL is in fact addressing this issue. To me that would be reassuring.

If anyone in my clan ever cheated they would be removed imediatly. (and i would know, cause we would win the match) I do not cheat. I am very strict, I was informed by someone that a member if my clan was behaving unprofessionally in a pub. He was warned, and kept out of the match after the incident.

Originally posted by: Killmasta

If anyone in my clan ever cheated they would be removed imediatly. (and i would know, cause we would win the match)

Definitely NOT true. Cheating help, but never guarantees a win.

Post edited by Red Mercury at 6/4/2003 3:36:32 PM

Originally posted by: Red Mercury

Originally posted by: Killmasta

If anyone in my clan ever cheated they would be removed imediatly. (and i would know, cause we would win the match)

Definitely NOT true. Cheating help, but never guarantees a win.

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