Why LocK Cheating thread?

im so pissed off at the players that are using these cheats and im ready the flame them on the forums, they know who they are... this is FN BS that ur locking that thread, IF WE DONT TALK ABOUT CHEATING IT WILL NOT BE CONFRONTED...

Alright let me put this to the public.

There are certain cheats that are in use by many clans. They include using commands in the game that stop all ambiant sound. They also include the ingame changing of .ini files to increase footstep noises, and reduce recoil.

Basically, the cats out of the bag. Dont be ignorant about these problems, and dont let other clans abuse them. TWL members, what are solutions to this problem? Lets get this resolved.

I assume he locked it to stop a possible flame war. I'm surprised he didn't delete it, because even though you didn't tell exactly how to do each thing, its news to some people, and those who suck enough to do it, may go searching for ways to use these cheats. Those cheats you mentioned are news to me though. I can hear footsteps somewhat close to me anyway, but if you have your sound loud enough or wear headphones (like me) anyone can do that. I think being able to hear anyone anywhere on the map would be confusing though.
|F2|RubberDuckie

i fully explained how to do it... modded files other then how they come off the shelf is cheating save video card tweaks(for obvious fps reasons)... wall hack not included...
Post edited by biG_peRm at 4/10/2003 11:14:33 PM

I can say in past games and past lives, teams I played with would encounter a team that was using obvious hacks and our decision would be simply to not play them anymore.

Yes, they may be #1 or near the top...but since they can't challenge down eventually they run out of people tired of putting up with their crap. One clanner asked me why in an empty server once and I told him while we couldn't prove they cheated (nobody hardly ever can prove such) we knew they did and since we don't and wouldn't that we simply didn't wish to play them again. All the dude could do was deny it...but he didn't do it very strenuously.

In addition to the cheats already listed, I'm aware of at least 2 more that have been getting a lot of play on the cheat forums lately. I personally witnessed a team on a pub server obviously using one and most likely the other. It's sad but what the hell can you do?
 
 
|HiFi|Euroranger


Team HiFi

The very existence of flame throwers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said, "You know, I wanna set those people over there on fire. But I'm just not close enough to get the job done".

I'm sure there are clans using these modifications, but I can guarantee you that CpD doesn't. We have a firm belief to compete with the game "out of the box". Other clans don't.

I do disagree on your posting it so "lesser" clans can do the same thing. Your encouraging the use of these modifications and to top it off, your pretty much telling them how to do it.

It's one thing to be against cheats, but the attitude of "if you can't beat them, join em" is crap. I wish they would delete that thread so "newer" gamers do not get tempted to use those modifications.

I would have to say,what is to stop these poeple from cheating?all they will do is find away around an anti-cheat patch, like i've seen in the past. Like Euroranger said, people can hardly provide conclusive evidence that another clan is in fact using such cheats. The fact of the matter is, as long as cheats are being produced someone will continue to abuse them. Unfortunately clans that choose to ladder will sadly find themselves squaring off against others who choose to use cheats. What can you do...? Accept that it's all apart of internet gaming; no one can completely control another over the internet...
Post edited by Sooper.Stoner at 4/11/2003 12:39:23 AM

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cpd that part about lesser clans using it i was being sarcastic if u couldnt tell

Old thread has been deleted.

Guys, I don't mind the chatter about the cheats, hacks, etc. but this is not the place to discuss how they're done.

Please, if you're going to continue this thread, keep it as vague as possible...

Also, Teamwarfare is well aware of what is out there. We're doing what we can to come up with solutions to help prevent the use of such modifications.

Keep this in mind also. Anyone caught cheating in a TWL match, will be dealt with quickly and severely.

I am going to add to what Genesis has said.

It has been our policy in all of the games we support that clan members caught cheating (with an acceptable level of proof) anywhere - including LAN parties, pubs, or other leagues/ladders/tournaments - will be banned from play permanently. Zero-tolerance, no second chance.


]CkB[Polaris
Teamwarfare Director of Operations

I noticed up top that a screenshot has to be taken so teams are assured that noone is using the wallhack. Buttttttt, yesterday I went in search of some cheats for ravenshield the older version of the wall hack did not give you a on off option now one has been released to give players this option.(left wizard a message on this)
I have also seen no recoil scripts(cheats) and a few others I came across. Now Im not sure if these scripts(cheats) work but I saw screenshots to back each cheat up.
I have played fps so long I have come to the conclusion that you can't stop the cheaters scripts and tweaks.
I also can without a doubt say I have seen some people in certain clans pull some unbelievable things off. This truely disappoints me. No I can say this was not them just being a talented player. There are certain instances in this game where you know things aren't right. I hope some kind of anti-cheat comes out to help with certain scripts and playing with the ini files.

i think the only way to prevent cheating to have ret lock tests during the lag test with all the players taking turns running at the wall and emptying their clip to see the recoil of the ret as well as the recoil upward of the gun and a screenshot of you looking at another player to make sure u dont have aa or a wall hack and also a screenshot of the person running to make sure no ret lock, the modded ini file with sound theres nothing u can do to test that but id rather not have the ones u can test for then the sound cheats...
Post edited by biG_peRm at 4/11/2003 9:20:04 AM

the scripts for recoil are real... not really anyway to test for them tho as anyone can fake an upward recoil,,, unless we all used the same weapons and stood at a wall and just pulled the trigger and didnt move the mouse at all and by the end of the last bullet the last bullets should be on the same horizontal alignment if u both took aim at the same spot..

so much facking work for a match, ya... but i think anyone should be able to call a cheat test at the start of the match or at the begining of a map change if they think people are hacking...

Prevention will be added. However, the flip side is you have to do it a little at a time so people can keep up. There are teams out there that do not even know about the screen shot rule. Also, the reason that discussion of how cheats work are not posted here is simple. Why teach someone who wouldn't otherwise know how, how to do it. Also, it breeds paranoia. I know this from experience with other games I've managed. Even teams that I know are not cheating get accused when they get their asses handed to them. Then what happens is each and every match becomes a cheating dispute. What we do now is let UBI know as they come to light and then we hope that UBI follows through like they said they would and does what they can do stop it.


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|HiFi|TotalCarnage
TeamWarfare Senior Competition Manager

Our clan dont know bout these cheats, and we dont care to know... so i would prefer this thread deleted... I enjoy the game as it is, and as soon as I start hearing bout these cheats that already exist... makes me wana just install it...

i would rather think i got my ass kicked, then go work harder to get better so that dont happen again...

then to think that guy could be cheating, and thats why he kicked my ass, and then not go work on things more, all cuz I think a cheat is why i got my ass kicked

FYU recently dropped all its MOHAA/SH ladders not only bc of Cheats but it was getting ridiculous that every match someone cried "HACK, CHEAT, ETC". Guys- Let's keep RVS FUN and clean please! Take ss's before each map is played and hope for the best.... I hope RVS will last!

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(FYU) WillHeim Borst

Originally posted by: Willheim Borst

Guys- Let's keep RVS FUN and clean please! Take ss's before each map is played and hope for the best.... I hope RVS will last!

I agree, to bad there is always someone looking to cut corners. Hopefully there are someo talented programmers out there that will take the time to make some sort of anti-cheat patch.

I agree fully cheating is not tolerated. If you aren't going to play the way the game was made do not play at all. If people are found to be cheating within DuNZ membership will be terminated immediatly and they will be exposed through out the community so they don't get into another clan. Play fare or don't play at all. Hopefully a anti-cheat program will be implemented into RvS in the near future so we have to worry less about cheating and more about strategy.

i knew about stop thing... but not about the others ambient sounds are stupid anyways...

Originally posted by: jamjar

i knew about stop thing... but not about the others ambient sounds are stupid anyways...

Not really. IMaging that you are on a map where the generators are running and you have a hack that stops that "ambient sound". NOw all of a sudden you can hear everything around you where your opponent cannot. That is a distinct advantage.


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|HiFi|TotalCarnage
TeamWarfare Senior Competition Manager