8v8 CTF ladder? Questions, suggestions, ideas.

I've been talking about this with annihilator since before I became an admin. Now that I am, I can get everyones perspective on this.

UrT has some excelent large maps, but the current standard team size of 6v6 is far too small for those maps.
So would you all be interested in a 8v8 CTF ladder with a medium/large map list? If so, what maps would you like to see in that list? Please keep in mind, we would like to take advantage of the larger maps, with some medium sized maps in the mix.

Some teams can't get 8. Besides, this isn't desert combat.

Some teams can't get 6 either.

What maps were u thinking of playing 8 vs 8? Generally the larger maps have been the very defensive maps. Making them 8 vs 8 could result in some very long drawn out matches. Imagine ut_sands 8vs8 with the problems it has now 6vs6. SAB went two plus hours before forfieting a match in sands earlier in the season and NN has had plenty of matches/scrims go OT in intermodal. Personally, I'd like to see a 3vs3 or 4vs4 ladder with smaller maps, ie turnpike, algiers, etc. Team survivor has 2vs2 and 3vs3, so why can't ctf have smaller size ladders.


Post edited by 49er at 10/4/2004 2:14:31 PM


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Personally, I dont think UrT is meant for large maps. I dont think it will help by adding more players in. At least in 6v6 on a map like sands only 1 or 2 will be on defense in a match but 8v8 there could easily be 3 staying near their flag the whole match only making it more difficult to capture the flag and less fun. If however the map is large but not extremely open like sands it could work. Because then it would favor both autos and rifles. I also agree it would be hard for clans to pull 8 for a match.

I'de like to know if any teams are interested in a bomb ladder. STA will most likely go with TS next season leaving no competition for bomb.

hmmm, bomb. I'll get back to you on that. I need to go ask the leader of F2F if he'd be interested in signing us up for a bomb ladder


F1 for 3vs3 ctf



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I agree, anything over 6 could take away from the "fun" of playing especially on the bigger maps. Oh and the first map SAB vs. [FuzzY] on Sands last season was 70 minutes. I think adding more people would have drawn it out even longer. I also agree that there should be more ladders, but they should either be bomb or team deathmatch. We would sign up for those.

I know everyone always bitches about the big maps, but I always like playing Sands or Eagle 6 on 6... except when its already past midnight and you are still on map 1. Intermodal, though, is a map i could live without.
Post edited by [FuzzY]SkunkBudz at 10/4/2004 3:17:55 PM

Originally posted by: [FuzzY]SkunkBudz
I also agree that there should be more ladders, but they should either be bomb or team deathmatch. We would sign up for those.

TDM is on the way and should be ready for joins within the week. As for a bomb or 1v1 ladder, it's all a matter of support.

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Current record for STA Bomb league is less and less teams. STA is thinking og going back to TS mainly because, Teams in this area don't play bomb as much as the euro's do. TDM ladder is a good start for another competative gametype, 3v3 CTF sounds interesting thou.

How about 3v3 TS?

Yeah, its all about interest. We do have the interest for TDM and its on the way. 1v1 and bomb are possibilities. If it seems like noone wants to play bomb at all thats fine. I just suggested it since there will be no more bomb competition since sta is going TS.

MEARLIN, i love you man, but this is by far the stupidest idea I have seen on these TWL forums. 8v8 ctf? JESUS momma kitty barking dog... who in the world besides PIT and cA will come with up 8? 1. The server would lag like it does in pubs. 2. Team won't have 8. 3 Team wont have 8

oh and number 4... the team won't have 8.. gawd mearlin

umm your points 2 and 3 are the same bv

Isn't 4 also

Admin gang rape!

Pubs lag because most are shitty servers.

Dear god people, your lack of creativity and broad views disapoint me.

First off, lag is only an issue on crappy servers for sure. Quake3 itself is made to support 32 players without a hitch. Urt doesn't change that in the engine. A server needs to support that load however or yeah, it's unplayable. Also the client computer needs to have enough memory for the extra players and calculations or they'll get client side lag. I don't know many urt players still on crappy systems. So I didn't think that would be an issue.
That being said. 2 more players per team would not cause any increase in match times. If 2 teams drag out a match with 6vs6, it's possible for them to do the same with 4v4, or 8v8. Yes, with 8v8 a team could very well have 3 or more defending the flag, wich leaves less on an offensive rush, simple tatics, just like 6v6, no different. Team size has no effect in all reality.
The only thing it would provide on larger maps is an increase in action thru-out the maps. More action in my oppinion = more fun.. Add big maps, new enviroments to play in, agian, more fun.

However, I digress. You provided me with exactly what I wanted. Feedback.

BV.. ... you! .. ... Yeah!

UrT was NEVER meant to be played 8v8. Its meant to be played 6v6 at most.


As mentioned many times, most dont even have 8 active players and the more people you have the LONGER it will take to get matches started. You will see many more forfeits.

8v8 ladder wont survive so dont waste your time!!

Originally posted by: |Annihilator|

TDM is on the way and should be ready for joins within the week. As for a bomb or 1v1 ladder, it's all a matter of support.

WOOT! Good deal....

STA just announced that they are going back to TS. Is BOMB mode really out? I didn't realize it has so little support that all ladders and leagues would no longer carry it. Oh well. Guess I need to start playing TS.
Post edited by [FuzzY]SkunkBudz at 10/5/2004 11:36:15 AM

Kinda gay sta is doing TS.. they should stick to bomb.. TWL is for ts.. anywayz... Can you name some servers that do not lag 8v8? I know only 2 that pop into my mind. cA servers provided by npcgaming, and Zt Servers. I know our servers are prob the most expensive servers out there but, there is a good reason for that http://www.npcgaming.com check it out! It will not work mearlin... ur going to be the next ogl downfall if you do! YOUR DOOMED TO FAIL!


-Failure

PIT server seems fine with 8v8. FSK lags like crazy now, but it seems to be a connection issue randomly, since it is fine 90% of the time. NSB can handle 16, if you arent banned.

Pretty much every server that is played on alot is lag free. It's the ones like superman 24/7 and those ones that lag bad.

Originally posted by: cA*BlueVenom
It will not work mearlin... ur going to be the next ogl downfall if you do! YOUR DOOMED TO FAIL!

Venom why must u be such a buzzkill?STFU!!!
Oh yea i think 8v8 is kinda too much!!!

Erzach over and out!!!!!

3on3 or 4on4 CTF would be fun.

Originally posted by: Hunter-
3on3 or 4on4 CTF would be fun.

Those ideas have definately crossed my mind. Also, 3v3 bomb, give it a try sometime, it's actually quite enjoyable.

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I'd be down for Bomb Mode, however, I don't know if my clan is interested or not. I'd be willing to play with a team for just bomb.
"Merry go round your head - awake, asleep, alive, or dead."

I dont know which servers can handle 8v8 but I know Hotties CANNOT. I dont know what happened but that server used to be the best and now its the BIGGEST piece of shit lagfest.

edit: Its not a GG server is it?
Post edited by |brolly| at 10/6/2004 5:40:55 PM

Why is Brolly still only listed as a TWL Member...Strange...Oops sorry off topic

pubs with 8vs8 aren't fun so match play won't be either.

brolly it used to be on ixer0.com when it was GOOD. He then swapped to theplanet.com and lagfest. Hottie got a new server but I don;t think she realized its also hosted at theplanet.com


Theplanet.com where our cheap servers and cheap bandwidth try to keep the cheap happy

Originally posted by: Kailen
brolly it used to be on ixer0.com when it was GOOD. He then swapped to theplanet.com and lagfest. Hottie got a new server but I don;t think she realized its also hosted at theplanet.com


Theplanet.com where our cheap servers and cheap bandwidth try to keep the cheap happy

Not really. Theplanet rarely ever lags with some servers. Hotties has fucked up ping. It is about 20 higher than other servers that use theplanet.

why don't you all buy from npcgaming.com? I have 2 servers from them. BEST EVER! Right now there are Callifornia server and texas. In the next month, you will see virginia server, and chicago servers. http://www.npcgaming.com

That looks a lot like an advertisement to me (and definately off topic). Please refer to the forum guidelines: http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthread.asp?threadid=135231&forumid=32

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I can't say that 8v8 CTF would be much fun, teams have a hard enough time fielding even 6. I think 8 would be asking too much, a 3v3 or 4v4 seems like a good idea though.
"Merry go round your head - awake, asleep, alive, or dead."

If teams would be forced to play on some shit server, then the 8v8 idea is bad. If there was a list of servers teams had to use, one of the biggest issues (lag) would be gone. Teams could then focus on getting 8 people instead of finding a server.

Originally posted by: dOnDoN

Originally posted by: Kailen
brolly it used to be on ixer0.com when it was GOOD. He then swapped to theplanet.com and lagfest. Hottie got a new server but I don;t think she realized its also hosted at theplanet.com


Theplanet.com where our cheap servers and cheap bandwidth try to keep the cheap happy

Not really. Theplanet rarely ever lags with some servers. Hotties has fucked up ping. It is about 20 higher than other servers that use theplanet.

Hotties server is all about the lag and not about ping. Someone should let her know not to go with theplanet.com.

This is a thread about opinions on an 8v8 ladder not a place to complain about servers. Looks like it's run its course.

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