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TWL Member

2005-07-04 16:45

Why are there only from what i see about 4 active teams on the barricaded suspects ladder out of 25 teams?

Is this game done before it could even begin?

I sort of blame this on Vivendi, they didnt make a patch that really solved any major issues, except for the 45, nor did it have any appeal to teams out there.

First of all they need to make a dedicated server download for squads to start servers.
Why Vivendi never does this i have no clue.

Second they need to make auto-download work.

Third, they need to get punkbuster involved or something.

Fourth, they need to make the servers accessible from outside of the server.
That way people can at least make a anti-cheat program and run it ourselves.
Not to mention to be able to kick somebody out of your own server when you cant get in because its full.

Vivendi needs to get it together or its over now.
They pulled this same BS in the last game that had huge potential, "Men Of Valor"

What somebody needs to do is get a law passed into effect that makes gamemakers have to supply anti-cheat programs and support the games they put out for a entire year at minimum.

You wouldnt expect to buy a Plasma TV and have it only work some of the time would you?

Then we wouldnt be getting these half assed games put out non-stop.

Post edited by Stones at 7/4/2005 4:49:22 PM

-Nebulous-

TWL Member

2005-07-04 18:24

or people could quit pirating copies and just pay for the damn game..

don't even tell me thats NOT a main reason why companies don't support their games.. hell i wouldn't support my own game if nobody purchased it instead they stole it.. Why help them if they didn't appreciate my work enough to buy it..

ah well..

we are still here !!!!

SoF!d0nuts

Forum Banned 11/28/05

2005-07-04 18:37

Orrrrrr you could buy a game that already comes with PB or w/e. If you think the game is sooo horrible and not supported stop playin the damn thing. From what I have heard there will be no AC provided which means that some folks from the community would have to put one together. Its a shame..this game had a lot of potential. Game wAS d.o.a. before it hit the shelves without an AC.
Post edited by SoF!den0ts at 7/4/2005 6:38:42 PM

Aceman{EES}

TWL Member

2005-07-04 21:04

I agree with you completely Stones...

But in all honesty we ALL knew how VUG is..and still bought the game..

We all KNEW it wasn't going to be shipped with PB. and getting VUG to let Even Balance involved was next to impossible..

So in the end all we have to really blame is ourselves =(

Me personaly, I was hoping that once SDK was out that the community would take up the slack that VUG left in this great game..and make the anti-cheats and the remote server managers and stuff like that...but I fear that this isn't going to happen..Too bad all I know how to do is play the game and not make the stuff we actually need to make this game fun and fair for everyone..

As for {EES} we're here until something better than BF2 comes along...there's always GR3 =)

-Nebulous-

TWL Member

2005-07-04 21:21

we are here as well..

someone get ahold of milar.. even though me and him do not see eye to eye, I believe he can make the anti-cheat work. See if he wouldn't mind helping the community out.

Lets get a community of coders together and see if we can work on something dealing with remote management or something.. Lets do this folks

Aceman{EES}

TWL Member

2005-07-04 21:33

I'm pretty sure Milar has washed his hand with Swat 4 and it's community..and if you read through these forums for the past 2 months who could blame the guy..

shabadu

TWL Member

2005-07-04 22:05

Originally posted by: Aceman{EES}
But in all honesty we ALL knew how VUG is..and still bought the game..

I must be a minority because I haven't touched a VUG product since the orginal tribes demo, and I believe I only played that for a few days. I had no idea about VUG and their lack of support for recent games, so this was all a major downer for me.

I was looking forward to GR3 before seeing that trailer on their site. Now I guess it looks a bit too futuristic for my tastes, so until the demo comes out I won't know until then. I hope somebody makes some effort to put together an anti-cheat program for this game, but if not I will play it until the servers run dry.

Igloo

Forum Banned until 10/23/05

2005-07-04 22:31

I own VUG and anyone associated with the company.

|ndy

TWL Member

2005-07-04 22:53

Originally posted by: shabadu
I hope somebody makes some effort to put together an anti-cheat program for this game, but if not I will play it until the servers run dry.

my thoughts exatly VUG=VeryUnfinishedGames

Post edited by |ndy at 7/4/2005 10:55:00 PM

-Nebulous-

TWL Member

2005-07-05 00:33

actually igloo you own jackal.. but then again.. who doesnt?

-Nebulous-

TWL Member

2005-07-05 10:37

in all actuality the game is still great guys.. and whether we get an anti-cheat or not i still don't think alot of people cheat its just people with big ego's losing and pulling the ol' "boy who cried wolf" routine..

If we got anti=cheats people would STILL do that.. so its not much of a help imo.. but I would still love to see them its just you will still have those people that can't and won't admit they just aren't the best out there and CAN lose. Hell we are 10-0 and i know we will lose lol.. I dont have much faith in my team do i but still its inevitable really.. some team will work harder and have better teamwork and shoot better one night and we wont. either way i still think all these teams should still play with or without the anti-cheat.. if everybody starts playing more will show up.. just keep goin strong y'all

|Switchblade

TWL Member

2005-07-05 11:02

Originally posted by: -Homersexual-
in all actuality the game is still great guys.. and whether we get an anti-cheat or not i still don't think alot of people cheat its just people with big ego's losing and pulling the ol' "boy who cried wolf" routine..

If we got anti=cheats people would STILL do that.. so its not much of a help imo.. but I would still love to see them its just you will still have those people that can't and won't admit they just aren't the best out there and CAN lose. Hell we are 10-0 and i know we will lose lol.. I dont have much faith in my team do i but still its inevitable really.. some team will work harder and have better teamwork and shoot better one night and we wont. either way i still think all these teams should still play with or without the anti-cheat.. if everybody starts playing more will show up.. just keep goin strong y'all

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|MIR|_MILAR

*Skillet*

2005-07-05 12:40

Originally posted by: Aceman{EES}

I'm pretty sure Milar has washed his hand with Swat 4 and it's community..and if you read through these forums for the past 2 months who could blame the guy..

Yes you are correct more ways than one.I just got back from vacation and have been seeing my name pop up a few times. Part was the code itself and lack thereof any abilities to hook in any type of client side checks. There were a few factors that came in to play that blocked what we had started working on. Im not going into specifics. But this was before the SDK's were released also. Now It could be different. But to be honest the big reason we left was the BS. There are some teams here that are gg's. but there are some real tools that out weigh them.

For me it isnt worth my time to go back into what we tried to do in the begining. I came under alot of fire for trying to create something to work with. The same individuals that sat thier talking thier shit to me are now asking for me to finish what I started. I dont think so. No real help from VUG, sure they fixed a few things, but all in all wasnt worth the hassle. I get emails everyday asking to put our server back up. But we are using the servers now for BF2.

We now are working on BF2 with PB and have made alot of progress. The baseline checks are finished and are out. All our efforts are going to this game. We have alot more to work with. and a hell of alot bigger community. Dont get me wrong we loved Swat4, but BF2 is so much better to us.
Post edited by |MIR|MILAR at 7/5/2005 12:40:57 PM

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2005-07-05 12:51

Originally posted by: |Switchblade
Originally posted by: -Homersexual-
in all actuality the game is still great guys.. and whether we get an anti-cheat or not i still don't think alot of people cheat its just people with big ego's losing and pulling the ol' "boy who cried wolf" routine..

If we got anti=cheats people would STILL do that.. so its not much of a help imo.. but I would still love to see them its just you will still have those people that can't and won't admit they just aren't the best out there and CAN lose. Hell we are 10-0 and i know we will lose lol.. I dont have much faith in my team do i but still its inevitable really.. some team will work harder and have better teamwork and shoot better one night and we wont. either way i still think all these teams should still play with or without the anti-cheat.. if everybody starts playing more will show up.. just keep goin strong y'all

FEAR the return of Undercover

PHEAR

Nekard

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2005-07-05 16:04

Originally posted by: Stones

What somebody needs to do is get a law passed into effect that makes gamemakers have to supply anti-cheat programs and support the games they put out for a entire year at minimum.

It'll never happen and thats rediculous to even mention.
A way to solve it is to stop buying them or if you do buy them dont complain about it. Its noones fault but the buyer. Why would they make a law about something so foolish "a game" when they have more important stuff to do?

Dont complain about something when its your fault that its going on, Why is it your fault you may ask. Because after so many times that VU has made a game and not supported it you still keep coming back for more and buying there products. Stop buying there products and you will have no problems. Simple Answer.

Edited: Fixed Typos
Post edited by Nekardms at 7/5/2005 4:05:41 PM

Stones

TWL Member

2005-07-05 17:47

Whats so rediculous about it?

You dont buy parts for your car with no warranty do you?

Nor do i buy parts for my pc that have no warranty.

Almost every product in the world, except for pc games have warranties that they will work properly.

My game works fine, as did Men of Valor.
I'm just complaining in general for the other people that have problems.

Would you buy a guitar and afterwards find out that only 5 out of the 6 chords will stay in tune, and just be like, ahh, no biggie?

No, youd return it and the company would fix it.

Allen23

Competition StaffNA Ladder AdminSWAT 4

2005-07-05 18:06

While everything you say makes sense Bunks and I agree, unfortunatly the law generally doesn't keep up with technology. There are examples everywhere, however they are doing better or somewhat (warez busts).

P -UDfame

TWL Member

2005-07-05 20:24

Neb is right. Developers will not spend resources on AC's and Server adds unless it produces for them. Buying the games from legitimate sources will give them money. Is the demo not good? If it isnt, dont play it, dont buy it.

Beating a dead horse all over the place. Peeps need to quit whining about money they dont have for these games, which we spend much of our lives playing and practicing. What is $50 and tax, really. You will spend more time on the game than almost anything else if you are the average gamer. It's so stupid, and the people who pay are suffering and most of you don't care about what I am typing, but what do I expect?

Nekard

TWL Member

2005-07-05 20:52

Originally posted by: Stones
Whats so rediculous about it?
You dont buy parts for your car with no warranty do you?
Nor do i buy parts for my pc that have no warranty.

Well, Guess what? The game doesnt have a warranty on it. SO lets not get into something that hasnt happened and will ever happen. Read the reviews play the demos if they are good buy them, if they arent dont buy them. Plan and SImple. Like you said

Would you buy a guitar and afterwards find out that only 5 out of the 6 chords will stay in tune, and just be like, ahh, no biggie?

Why buy something after youve already tested the demo and knew it was gonna have problems? I mean did everyone really think when the game was released it was gonna have PB or some sort of anti-cheat method in it? When it didnt even state on the box or on there web site it would? Shit it didnt even state it would be supported, didnt state they would make patchs or anything like that. But everyone bought the game cause why? They were hopping such and such was gonna happen but then came to relize it didnt and are mad. Dont be mad because you had high hopes (high hopes for what reason who knows) and then they got shot down. If I ever buy something that doesnt have a warranty I live with it if something happens I dont like, Why? because it was my fault for thinking something that isnt. Thats all Ill say.

Stones

TWL Member

2005-07-05 21:16

i never played the demo, nor read any of the website or reviews.

I dont ever expect a game to come with a anti-cheat program, but we should at least have the ability to rcon into the server from outside the server, therefore me running my own ac.

That does come with every game that has ever come out that i have bought.

-Nebulous-

TWL Member

2005-07-05 22:17

nek the point is not that people played the demo and then decided to not purchase the game..

almost 3/4 of the swat 4 1.0 version gamers are downloaded torrent players..

its ridiculous that people play the demo like it then download it and not pay for it.. freaking stupid..

dont got the money?

MOW A FREAKING LAWN!!!

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