Cheaters rule the land

I have noticed an increase in the number of cheaters in S4 and I am getting really frustrated. I went searching on the web, and found that there are at least a couple of really well built, undetectable cheats. At least the cheats claim they are undetectable. I won't post the site here, because I'm almost certain that some people will go there and get it.

Anyway, I have started watching people and I noticed how some folks never miss with nades, and seem to always know where someone is coming from. I'm now actively searching for evidence, just need a little time to nail an unsuspecting cheater.

Your the kind of person everyone likes to bash.

I've found in SWAT 4 that INSTINCT is your greatest ability. Most rooms have 2-3 entrances, you can sit in a room all day, notice a guy run by one door, well, if he goes in that general direction, he'll go by the next door, and very well he does, you cap him down, your called a cheater, for INSTINCT. You know where the other team respawns, and you know they spawn there, maybe from teamwork , by your teamates letting you know that there at the other spawn and no one is there, so you just go wild and start throwing nades and just start lighting the place up, now your cheating, because you used TEAMWORK. You can't sit and say someones cheating because there are so many other possibilities, and by you coming out and saying "I went searching on the web, and found that there are at least a couple of really well built, undetectable cheats. At least the cheats claim they are undetectable." , your as guilty as the "cheaters" themselves...

What I'm saying is that SWAT4 is a basic game where if you use common sense, you can rack up some kills, whether is having teamates who know what their doing, to having a great sense of instinct, you can't come out and call cheaters out beford you look at the facts

I have looked at the facts over and over. I'm not talking about getting outplayed, because I know I'm not the best. I'm talking about when a player, or group of players plays perfectly, and how some people seem to know where the action is at all times, no matter what map.

Swat 4 is a dynamic game, and the while there are standards for spawn points, in a full 16 man server there is no way to predict whats going to happen. If you were to nade until you hit someone, I call that weak play, but I can respect it. When every single nade you throw hits, with no wasted ones(meaning they throw only when someone is near)or someone is always there to intercept the vip, or when someone stops cuffing to turn around, and kill someone who they couldn't possibly known was coming, thats cheating in my book.

or a really good soundcard.

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eN|CabanaNate
Teamwarfare|Ghost Recon and Swat4 Admin
Email: CabanaNate@teamwarfare.com

or even death cams of fallen teammates. I love when people run through a room and the cam shows their exact positions, and when you frag their asses they scream hacker. That one always gets me laughing hard.

Yea sound card would be my guess on that one too...My sound card rocks and with a great set of headphones..I can hear the enemy fart 2 rooms away and tell ya which way he is moving too.....=)

Thanks for the input guys. I have a great sound card and an awesome set of headphones, and I know exactly what you are talking about. Using footsteps and headcams are key to success, but I'm talking about a step further.

I don't care how good of a player you are, no one wins 9 out of 10 face to face gunfights. Maybe with a great player facing a total newbie, but not with 2 seasoned players.

Here is a perfect example: In St. Michaels Research Center, the stairs going down to the vip exit. I was playing and there was a guy camping the stairs from the end of the hallway. There were also guys camping the other stairs by the yellow window. Our team was getting constantly killed by a lone player who was killing every player that dare step near the top. Also, he was hiding behind the open door, with his gun barely sticking out. In a 5 minute time period, not one player made it onto the platform. So I decided to test it to see if it could be done. It is impossible to see everyone coming up there. You have to look through two sets of railings, and while it is possible to hold that spot for a while, you can't hold it forever. Unless you know the moment someone is going step up there. Test if for yourselves, see what I mean.

i'm sure it can be done.. don't think just because you couldn't do it that the player was automatically cheating.. certain players in this community lost pretty bad and pulled the same stunt.. unfortunately all they did was make themselves look like complete and utter morons but still.. just because YOU couldn't pull the shot or tactic or hold the area for that long doesnt mean someone else can't..

yes he could be cheating.. but until you have proof other than your flimsy word which any veteran player would not listen to is when you will get some credibility. False accusations or just plain old accusations without proof is ridiculous..

ah well

lates

I have to agree with whyteowl, there is way more cheating going on out there then most of you believe or think.

There are alot of hacks available for this game already, and the 1.1 patch barely fixed any of them.

I've actually had a developer tell me there are no hacks that get by the 1.1 patch.

LOL, what a joke.
Youd have to be blind and ignorant to think that way.

There are also alot of great and good players out there.
For a longtime server admin, most of them can pick out a hacker in a split second.

Five minutes? That's all? I swear all the belly-aching about cheats is what drives me away from games, not the actual cheating. I wish that people would be more like Nebulous and play harder when people cheat. I know I can do just fine, and often times better, against cheaters. I just naively assume they are legit, and focus on the task rather than Oh My GAAAAAWWWWWDDDDD. Cheats will be in every game no matter what. No whining, contemplating, or proving peeps wrong will not change anything: learn to accept that fact. Move on, or move out. The cheats will stay either way.

They are all right. SOUND is important. Deathcams as well as Insert cams. Ventrillo or Teamspeak - the most important tool for teamwork.

the difference between whyte and stones and me and p is we(me and p) don't sit and whine about the cheaters.. We play harder work together and overcome the cheats which is VERY possible to do.

Look at our Tribes 1 team(*UD*'s) we played ultra renegades which most people didn't like but it was a game that had one team that was caught cheating on more than one occasion but the community did nothing to remove them. It took my team 6 matches to finally beat them handily. We traded on and off wins and losses with them NEVER going less than 3 maps and a good portion of that tribes team i know personally.

Sitting around accusing people because you got beat is pointless.. Yes that occasion where you actually found a cheater may arrise.. But a good portion of the time you are just mad you or your teammate got killed. Seeing the death from your team's perspective then seeing it from the actual person doing the killing is VERY different.

I think you guys need to just quit bellyachin about cheaters and actually start practicing the game.

If half of you put as much time as you do on these forums into actual gameplay and scrims or something, you might be able to beat people you are now calling cheaters.

i guarantee I could right this second go into any "respectable" squad's server and within 5-10 minutes be either kicked by their admin or accused of cheating. No im not bragging either.. It has already happened which is why i don't pub anymore<--too many n00bs with admin who still have yet to learn how to play the game..

anyways quit bellyachin and if you see a cheater keep it to yourself play harder and beat the cheater.

not to mention if you keep accusing cheaters that actually cheat.. it only encourages them.. if you ignore them they eventually move on because they aren't causing the havoc they wanted to. Try it..

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keep in mind im not trying to bash you whyteowl or stones.. im just trying to explain myself and sometimes it comes off as harsh..


i just find it hard to believe that every player that everybody accuses is cheating.. I would rather just play harder and beat the cheater than complain about it and ruin the fun i was having playing the game.

I agree with the action of beating them down fair and square. Most hacks don't really make a difference. You can't dwell on it or YOUR game enjoyment is reduced to a minimum. The fun for me is in stomping them into a puddle, and then stomping the puddle dry. I consider the cry of "he's a hacker" to be a form of flattery. My work there is done.

On the flip side I have seen fellows arresting team mates. The open door hack from distances. A guy with the ability to bunny hop. And also ghosting thru walls. I know these are packaged with the no recoil, fog, etc. Even guys wearing clan tags cheating it up.

What can you do about these fellows. I know it opens up a can of worms for anyone to cry "cheat" in order to screw someone that worked'em good lastnight, but with this community should be able to blackball those proven to be beyond doubt, hacking.

Stop banning people from servers for the petty ego things and get busy banning the cheats.

None takin Neb.

The best thing is when you know you just spanked somebody that is hacking, and you are playing legit.

A intelligent legit player in this game can beat a dumb hacker anytime.

Bring the hackers on! lol

Originally posted by: Stones
None takin Neb.

The best thing is when you know you just spanked somebody that is hacking, and you are playing legit.

A intelligent legit player in this game can beat a dumb hacker anytime.

Bring the hackers on! lol

Neb is right, enough practice and experience in this game will eventually overcome cheats. I was under the assumption that version 1.1 did away with many of the most common cheats available (at least for a short while). Based on my own experiences, that appeared to be case becasue since 1.1 came out, I found the overall competitveness in pubs slightly less than before it came out. I just assumed it was because the hacks got cleaned up.

Most of the hacks have been cleaned up. The update provided quite a few fixes to commonly exploited cheats such as .ini injecting, etc. CRC checking is now in place which makes cheating a lot more difficult as well. I personally don't think there are to many hacks that exist "right now" for version 1.1, but however, give it time. The update got rid of most of the noobish hacks. The reason there are still 1.0 servers is because the hackers haven't found a way to hack 1.1 yet. That and the fact that cracked no-cd versions will not run 1.1 either (so buy the game you pirate bastards, har har).

Also, if anyone has any coding experience I'm working on a little "sumthin, sumthin" that may help us catch cheaters. Give me a holler.

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eN|Paragon
TeamWarfare Competition Staff
Email: paragon@teamwarfare.com
IRC: #teamwarfare, #twl_swat

talk to milar.. he might have an already halfway finished project..

There are no hackers, it is just me smurfing under different names owning everyone!

Yet again, Igloo tries a derail the thread because he has nothing useful to say.
Post edited by whyteowl at 7/2/2005 2:47:25 PM

Paragon, your wrong on both of your statements.

There are plenty of hacks currently available for 1.1
In fact they are even more advanced now with 1.1

There is also a crack for the people that downloaded the game as well to play on the 1.1 servers.

This thread was useless to begin with, just a bunch of whining from a bunch of newbs who can't handle some pathetic cheaters.

Forbid someone has any sense of humour or any mood other than dead-straight cynicism.

please with the name calling. Its not really conductive to any conversation and forces maybe to be cut short such as this one.

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eN|CabanaNate
Teamwarfare|Ghost Recon and Swat4 Admin
Email: CabanaNate@teamwarfare.com