swat 4 rapid deployment ladder

I vote yes on it but make it 5v5 or 6v6

already in the works :-) probably 4v4 to start..then if needed\requested 7v7
Post edited by Agent at 4/15/2005 11:54:01 PM

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FwF|Agent|TWL
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what is the fascination with 4v4?

specially for the bomb one?

i can understand the TDM type thing.. but the bomb one?

how bout this time let the community vote on the settings for the ladder.. the tourny was already decided on admin decision instead of public vote even though the first vote you put up showed the respawns were wanted almost 100% so..

i second that motion, i would vote 5v5 for SWAT seeing as that is what your average eliment is going to consist of.

it has to do with the number of people signed up and the number of people on each team. Not a fascination but a reality of the numbers. We don't want to start something that won't be successful

6v6...if they cant get 6 people thats their loss

well some clans are just a group of friends (that hang out in person) playin games...i think 4v4 is fine...if needed we can always open up another ladder for 5v5 6v6

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FwF|Agent|TWL
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yes make a couple bigger types as we have 7 in our clan with it and more on the way, hate leaving anyone out. and when can we sign up and the link to do so.

last i checked(being a former admin) is the admins do not choose what ladders are made.. if a new ladder is opened it should be the community vote to decide the player numbers.. making a 4v4 bomb is stupid plain and simple.. if a "group" of friends cannot get 4 then they should not play on twl on this ladder.. This is for squad based gaming. Most squads HAVE more than 4.. i know mine has 7 currently and we have about 6 more getting the game.. Not to mention I recruit more than enough to fill 2-3 teams that way we will never have to forfeit and I can make more than one competitive team on the ladders..

If other teams cannot fill 6 player spots then we need to question their squads "dedication" to the ladder..

Personally 6v6 is perfect for bomb as 12 is a VERY stable number for servers with ANY sort of connection speed.. 7v7 may be pushing it for some companies and 8v8 not many servers are capable of that and staying stable yes there are some but the majority cannot.

I would say put up a community vote for EACH gametype.. VIP Rapid and Barricaded asking what player amount should the ladders be.. Have the choice to vote from 4v4 - 8v8 maybe and see what the actual community wants instead of what 2 admins want..

Deciding for the community will not impress the community.. Making changes and adding ladders to the COMMUNITIES wishes will impress and make the community enjoy the gaming experience here at TWL much more..

The reason I am sounding as if i am pissed off is that i have seen numerous games make ladders the community DID not want. and settings the community DID not want..

those ladders did not have a very dedicated nor happy following and they either A) died out or B) have alot of players saying wow this game sucks for competition and they move on the FIRST chance they get to do so..

Personally at this point i do not want people wanting to move to another FPS because the ladder competition is not to their liking..

Also by saying we will start with 4v4 and make more you will also do one thing which KILLS ladders.. you will split the community.. If you set a solid 6v6 ladder EVERYBODY knows its 6v6 and EVERYBODY will work to get 6 players.. then EVERYBODY will join the 6v6 ladder.. if you make 4 different ladders you will split that community and the ladders will be smaller and will die out faster..



anyways hopefully you make the choices based on community choice not just 1-2 players choices..

this isnt YOUR ladder it is the COMMUNITIES ladder.. read the motto under the banner.

"community based gaming"

lets follow that motto please.

omg...totally agree.

well said neb!

coming from a squad of 30+ and growing everyday you expect us to select 4 because you "think" that groups of friends cant get 6+ players, if they want to play then let them recruit and then join the ladder, don't make the majority of us suffer so that 1 or 2 "groups" can play.

This is also why TWL has no rule agaisnt teams creating multiple competition "divisions". For Example you could have TAW SWAT 1, TAW SWAT 2, etc etc, that way if you have 15 people online every night wanting to ladder, they have their opportunities. Oh and did I mention the power ladder? TWL's been doin just fine on every other game, I trust them with this one, ggs twl.
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It's because I'm right.

I agree with the multiple team statement, but when the game supports more players, and multiple teams could support more players as well, why not make the ladder 5v5 or 6v6?

I know from experience seperating your team into multiple divisions is not the best idea for the simple reason that it does just that, divides the team. It is not healthy, and I hope that TWL takes this into consideration when making the ladder.

Besides, the VIP ladder is already 4v4, why make every ladder 4v4. Time for change I say.

well everyone needs to understand that this game just came out, and until we get a feel for the number of clans out there and the size of each clans then we will add multiple ladders. I already said they are in the works. right now priority is the tournament, and the 4v4 ladder. After the tournament then we will work on everything else. We never said every ladder will always be 4v4. There will probably be a 4v4 and a 7v7 or 8v8 ladder released (more than likely 7v7.

yes tehre are some clans out there with 10+ players..but there are also with only 5-10 players. We want to make sure everyone has a chance to enjoy the game. So if everyone will relax and just give us some time. Then you will notice a change. For now just enjoy the tournament.

And you also need to understand we do this on our spare time. Most of us have jobs and families. So we cant get everything done overnight. Like i said previously..just give it a little bit of time and you will see more ladders arrise.

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teams will be able to agree to bump the numbers up correct? so if both teams have 7 on at match time we can go to a 7v7 if both teams agree? I know thats how it has worked in the past.

"yes tehre are some clans out there with 10+ players..but there are also with only 5-10 players. We want to make sure everyone has a chance to enjoy the game. So if everyone will relax and just give us some time. Then you will notice a change. For now just enjoy the tournament"

Thats not going to work because you can never make everybody happy.
With 4vs4 the bigger squads have to either pick 4 from 12 or 15, or split the squad into smaller groups.
With 6vs6/7vs7 the smaller squads cant get enough people playing.

As for saying "just enjoy" that comes back to ramming it down people throats, why not simply get the squad founders to vote and decide on the numbers?

correct boo...jackal we or anyone will never be able to get everyone happy.. this problem has been in since the development of online gaming. which is why we are going to put out ladders of different sizes...i never ment to seem like im ramming anything down everyones throat (insert joke here) as for the founder vote. RM already said that if there is a need for one then it will be done. Everyone just needs to relax a little bit. all we are doing right now is going in circles...give it a little bit of time and you will see. Then if you dont like it put it in a PRODUCTIVE post or email an admin, and we will look over it.

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FwF|Agent|TWL
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Public votes are useless. The general players know absolutley nothing about what is right for the game.

well its not really a public vote igloo..the only people who get to vote are the Clan Founders. SO 1 person per team will speak/vote for the whole team.

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True, but still it is a bad idea. Let the admins who know something about competition deal with team sizes.

i do agree with u igloo...but sometimes its best to hear the community..just for input..then make our decision..like i said...i am 100% behind ya on that one

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FwF|Agent|TWL
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wow igloo.. we already heard the admin's vote.. for one i believe i rememeber agent being the only one who wanted no respawns for the tourny..

that went over well.. being that we are being forced to use no respawns for that.. not to mention he said in this post the bomb ladder would be 4v4..

already 2 things that make absolutely no sense.. bomb is a TEAM game.. and that gametype should have 5-7 players playing.. personally I would say 6 is perfect with 7 being aiight but 8 is pushing it..

4 is completely stupid..

just because one admin thinks it should be that way does not mean the community should let it happen.. and just because agent and db are admins does not mean they know what is best for the ladders..

what it DOES mean is they know what THEY want..

NOT what the community wants.. this is a community based gaming ladder..

treat it as such and ask the community..

from what I have seen that has YET to be done and from the responses i've read I doubt it will be done and even if it is it still needs to be acted upon.. only time will tell now..

will this site follow its own motto or not..

I just feel like bitching at people right now.. so yay for drama

p.s. just because they are admins on this ladder does not mean they know what is best for the ladder.. I guarantee I have been in more competitions and ladders over a shiatload of games than most admins here.. I dont think my opinion is the only one that should matter though.. From agent's own words above, that is EXACTLY what he thinks..

that in my opinion and in TWL's should be wrong.. it has NEVER been that way in the past and if they are changing it now I pity the gaming community of the future..
Post edited by -Nebulous- at 4/18/2005 10:52:38 PM

Nebulous, if you would hold your tongue for just one moment... I know for a fact 5v5 or 6v6 is the best choice, but posting useless amounts of information here is going to do nothing.

As well, as far as the no spawn goes for the tourny, I believe the community began bitching and complaining about that WAY too early. Try the current settings out and you will soon learn to love it. I believe almost all of the K3 members enjoy the settings after playing it day after day.

Anyways, you obviously have not dealt with Teamwarfare admins very often. They always tend to be hot-headed, stubborn, and all knowing. They will have their way no matter what.

igloo not only have i dealt with them but i tried being one to help the ladder but could not convince that games admins to change hence the main reason why i "retired"

and yes ive been on twl for quite some time.. and no i do not like the current settings of no respawn.. i do not like AA and this is what aa is.. i never liked RVS and this is what it is.. odd how the admins came from rvs..

go figure.. I enjoy arresting and using non lethal from time to time and not sitting around camping most of the game.. I enjoy every aspect of the game and making it no respawn limits that(you can say it doesnt but I've seen the difference firsthand so I do know it does eliminate some very fun and key elements in this game) but i could care less about this tourny.. what i care about is the ladders.. I do not want to see a ladder created by the admins, I want to see one created by the gamers that are ON the ladders..

If that happens then I will be very pleased and have nothing to bitch about other than maybe the rules depending on what they are(prolly will cuz i like being a pain in the ass ) ..

anyways gnight and lates

Originally posted by: -Nebulous-
... what i care about is the ladders.. I do not want to see a ladder created by the admins, I want to see one created by the gamers that are ON the ladders..

Agreed !

people really are ignorant. All we are doing is going over the same thing over and over...we set up the ladders and the numbers based on the size of the community at the time we were meeting about this. Since then the community grows...and if you would stop complaining for 5 seconds to read what i posted you will see that we will have a ladder up for a 4v4 and another for probably 6v6 or 7v7. We heard you the first time.

yes the admins came from RVS...and you came from another game...want a cookie?

just let us set it up then we can tweak the ladders as the matches go on. Just RELAX stop complaning and lets test out different things before we set on 1.

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Are any of the people complaining on the team that was beat by the girl ?? I'm just asking .......gosh.

HOMOCIDE WITH A SMILE
Originally posted by: -Nebulous-
scrambler get fwf's cock out of your mouth..

Why ? It's tasty
And By the way BooBOO has a Vagina so it's like i'm bi

Originally posted by: TAW_Rawkfist
well said neb!

coming from a squad of 30+ and growing everyday you expect us to select 4 because you "think" that groups of friends cant get 6+ players, if they want to play then let them recruit and then join the ladder, don't make the majority of us suffer so that 1 or 2 "groups" can play.

Well.....with 30+ people you will always have a issue even if the ladder was a 6v...get a clue or learn how to count....

If you people would actually read the posts then you would realize that the 4v4 is a ladder designed to fit the needs of the community as it exists today. As the admins stated, if the need arises then another larger ladder can be opened. What is the big deal.....? Go with what is offered and in time you may very well get your wish.....

As far as this being a "community based ladder"...you are correct but there still has to be people that make the hard decisions and move on. No different then you and your clan. Not everyone in a clan agrees 100% all the time. The clan leaders make the decision based on what they feel is best for "their" clan. No different then what the admins are doing at TWL.....

I would like to see a future ladder with more people like a 6v6 or 7v7 myself. But right now the Admins are using sound judgment due to logistics. Since there are now over 45 teams registered for playing Swat4 competitive, I would say that if 20-25 team founders were all posting about a need for changes right now, I would say they would be dictitorial if they ignored this. But right now the vast majority of teams seem to be putting their trust in the admins to do their jobs. So please stop saying that no one agrees with the admins decisions as thi doesnt appear true based on my anicdotal evidence. Small sample as that may seem but its been pretty much one-sided to those I spoke with. Good job TWL, slow and steady.

Originally posted by: Igloo
Public votes are useless. The general players know absolutley nothing about what is right for the game.

That is, im sure, related to another game but we won't go there...

Originally posted by: FWF.LOKI
The clan leaders make the decision based on what they feel is best for "their" clan.

LoL yeah not good clan leaders... Good clan leaders will, if nothing else, atleast consult the members before doing what 'he/she' 'feels' is 'best' for the 'team'...'perenthesis'

But anywho...isn't the unreal engine set up for 16 players? I mean if your hosting off cable or DSL don't expect any miracles.. but a majority of hosted servers should be able to host 8v8's not that i really care as long as a 6v6 or 7v7 is implimented

Originally posted by: |ReCoN|

Originally posted by: FWF.LOKI
The clan leaders make the decision based on what they feel is best for "their" clan.

LoL yeah not good clan leaders... Good clan leaders will, if nothing else, atleast consult the members before doing what 'he/she' 'feels' is 'best' for the 'team'...'perenthesis'

lol...way to go tool....take it out of context... Read below and it makes more sense...When you put all the information together it is much better. YOu make it sound like a leader does whatever he/she wants to do, with total disregard for the rest of the clan. See what I actually typed below...and that is what I posted....sheeesh

Not everyone in a clan agrees 100% all the time. The clan leaders make the decision based on what they feel is best for "their" clan. No different then what the admins are doing at TWL.....

Post edited by FWF.LOKI at 4/19/2005 10:53:17 AM

Welcome to Reading Is Fundamental

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HOMOCIDE WITH A SMILE
Originally posted by: -Nebulous-
scrambler get fwf's cock out of your mouth..

Why ? It's tasty
And By the way BooBOO has a Vagina so it's like i'm bi

much to Scram.....they need all the help they can get..

LMAO tool... lol hmmm flamming love it... did I call you any names? no.. u coulda just calmly explained whatever vague and unimportant point you had, without the verbal abuse

Just like to call it how I see it... my unimportant and vague point is very valid which obviously you could not see, but that does not suprise me. Oh well....

NO you misunderstood Loki .He didn't call you a tool . He said "Tool" which promted me to get the RIF thing going . It's a tool to help you learn to understand. I know he types fast .I will have him go slow .I apologize in advance for him being too fast for you.

HOMOCIDE WITH A SMILE
Originally posted by: -Nebulous-
scrambler get fwf's cock out of your mouth..

Why ? It's tasty
And By the way BooBOO has a Vagina so it's like i'm bi

lol doesn't suprise you? Hmm do I know you? Have we ever met? lol ive said about 4 sentences max in your general direction

Anywho, rather than get into this joust of keyboard manhood, you seem to want to get into I have more important things to attend to. Have a good one

It does not suprise me because you were ignorant enough to take things out of context and then try to make a point based upon it.....lol

I beleve they call it English 101. Scram, if I am not mistaken, was trying to lead you to place where you could get educated about it.

=( see now I'm sad. All i tried to do was be helpful and I've gone and hurt someone. I'm sorry !!! COME BACK ,COME BACK !!!!


Loki I'm crying.Can I have a kleenex?
Post edited by |RoA|Scrambler at 4/19/2005 11:27:22 AM


HOMOCIDE WITH A SMILE
Originally posted by: -Nebulous-
scrambler get fwf's cock out of your mouth..

Why ? It's tasty
And By the way BooBOO has a Vagina so it's like i'm bi