more spawn camping less admins

In the process of creating a post earlier today on how I thought all the anti-spawn camping rules on every server worked in stark contrast to the majority of players maintaining this game is still as competitive as ever, I may have inadvertently mentioned the word weiners which apparently lead to the removal of my post. What an uncouth jerk I was. I should have realized I was on a video game forum. Pinky up and backs straight!

Anyway, despite the gestapo police cracking down harder on free speech than Chinese olympic authorities, I would like to know why everyone is so against spawn camping these days. As I said earlier today, intentional equalizers to level the playing field so everyone "has fun" is ridiculous, not to mention contrary to beating the other team. Online games by their very nature of having a larger player base are more competitive than their offline counterparts, and if you don't like to lose you should either be loading up a bot server or arguing amongst your peers on EA's forums.

That is all for today, tea party adjourned.
Post edited by WaldoDude at 8/31/2008 6:33:30 PM

Only Bart opposes camping.

^^ He said wieners

hehe

All pub servers. It's not only the server admins who enforce the no spawn camping rule though, it's the players themselves. Yesterday my own teammate was so furious that I was spawn camping in the enemy main that after attempting to bomb me and realizing that FF is off, proceeded to crash his plane into me to finish the job. He's not the exception though, he's the majority.
Post edited by WaldoDude at 8/31/2008 6:46:44 PM

I don't mind the camping and have taken my part in doing so. Lately I have decided not to camp a runway because I know exactly how those pilots feel. I do camp runways from time to time but not nearly as much as I once did.

However the biggest thing that bothers me is the use of camping a spawn when ALL players must spawn at that one spot. For Example: Berlin - Axis - Almost everyoen spawns inside the sandbags beside the flag in ctf mode. A person can sit there and lob grenades or expacks and pump their score up 50 points.

I have seen servers kick those people who do an insane amount of camping in that situation. I have also seen the total camp of the runway on allies side with battleaxe.

I have NO problem with this because players do have an option to spawn at their main and not just spawn to die at the airfield. Its their stupidity if they spawn there.



I guess I'm saying I agree with spawn camping if people have other options to spawn in their main rather than all in one place.

w00f

shit depopulates servers.

want to spawn camp, do it somewhere where there the players are actually competative, because 90% of the fodder you're killing is worthless, and doesn't care about the game enough to keep playing it when its not fun.

which is exactly how it should be.

so you're only complaining because you'd like to be some kind of elitist leet haxorz xpacker who thinks pubbing is only for serious players.




note:
specifically solo spawn camping like on berlin, but applicable to all.

we found waldo!

Originally posted by: [Asylum]
shit depopulates servers.

want to spawn camp, do it somewhere where there the players are actually competative, because 90% of the fodder you're killing is worthless, and doesn't care about the game enough to keep playing it when its not fun.

which is exactly how it should be.

so you're only complaining because you'd like to be some kind of elitist leet haxorz xpacker who thinks pubbing is only for serious players.

...I don't want to get into a pissing contest here but it's obvious you never read or understood my initial post. It spells out why I'm complaining. You can't have a competitive server that bans spawn camping plain and simple. If you don't want spawn camping then at least nut up and admit you prefer carebear rules to even out the competition.

I agree Waldo.
I love to camp.

waldo... what happens when u spawn camp a random pubby and kill him 10 times in a matter of seconds before he can kill u? he simply clicks disconnect.. with the population of bf1942 these days... its alot easier to ban spawn camping rather than try to keep a server populated to appease assholes like you who try to exp pack a spawn over and over lol.

I'd imagine that about 95% of the people who still play this incredibly broken game are most likely not casual pubbers. Even if they were, there are only a handful of servers up. Where are they going to go? Early in 42's lifespan EA's servers were incredibly easy to exploit due to FF being turned off and you could easily clear a server because there were 345354345 different servers to choose from. People disc'd all the time for minute things such as not getting a vehicle they wanted. Now they, like myself, have no place else to play.

It seems nearly futile to argue anyway. I'm just going to continue to get mongoloids like yourself replying with BECAUSE ASSHOLE LOLOLOZRZ.

ahh life was so much more peaceful during ur recent forum ban lol.. Now we can get back to old convos such as, Why exactly do u waste ur life in the 42 forums again? u dont play the game and its pretty obvious u have nothing better to do than bash whats left of it lol.. There are more pubbers than comp players easily.. most of the comp players dont pub very often, half of them play wow, some play cod, some play other random games with the occasional bf pub here and there.

actually all the pubbers now are competing in BFCL.
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Originally posted by: WaldoDude
I'd imagine that about 95% of the people who still play this incredibly broken game are most likely not casual pubbers. Even if they were, there are only a handful of servers up. Where are they going to go? Early in 42's lifespan EA's servers were incredibly easy to exploit due to FF being turned off and you could easily clear a server because there were 345354345 different servers to choose from. People disc'd all the time for minute things such as not getting a vehicle they wanted. Now they, like myself, have no place else to play.

It seems nearly futile to argue anyway. I'm just going to continue to get mongoloids like yourself replying with BECAUSE ASSHOLE LOLOLOZRZ.

ur still arguing with people over the internets about a game you don't play


have you asked yourself... why?

most of the people that ever played on a half decent team would agree that they have no problems with camping, as being a "match" player you will have to fight your way out of main if you ever get camped.

The problem is that since the last standing servers are owned by a community/group of players that do not worry about playing in competition, they have admin rights that they use to have their game experience as smooth as they like, that includes not getting raped in their main.

in my opinion making every single rule is CRAP, but in their view and i guess, right they can make you follow their rules with their admin rights.

Trust me i have had my own tirade against stuff that i dont like about some server admins conducts, ive been kicked/permabanned (it was my fault as well for insulting the admin who kicked me) from a server for asking the removal of iddle players that make the game as unbalanced as the switchers(team stackers).
i hate it when the admins give you shit for switching teams to keep things even, and they dont even reply to you when you start a round where only 5 people spawned in your team and you get capped out in the first 2 minutes.

everyone will call out the campers in a no camping server just for the fact that you are not allowed to do it, and whoevers camps is probably getting kicked, so if you are on my team and you are camping, basically you are being useless....

I agree with waldo

Originally posted by: FranK Dux
most of the people that ever played on a half decent team would agree that they have no problems with camping, as being a "match" player you will have to fight your way out of main if you ever get camped.

The problem is that since the last standing servers are owned by a community/group of players that do not worry about playing in competition, they have admin rights that they use to have their game experience as smooth as they like, that includes not getting raped in their main.

in my opinion making every single rule is CRAP, but in their view and i guess, right they can make you follow their rules with their admin rights.

Trust me i have had my own tirade against stuff that i dont like about some server admins conducts, ive been kicked/permabanned (it was my fault as well for insulting the admin who kicked me) from a server for asking the removal of iddle players that make the game as unbalanced as the switchers(team stackers).
i hate it when the admins give you shit for switching teams to keep things even, and they dont even reply to you when you start a round where only 5 people spawned in your team and you get capped out in the first 2 minutes.

everyone will call out the campers in a no camping server just for the fact that you are not allowed to do it, and whoevers camps is probably getting kicked, so if you are on my team and you are camping, basically you are being useless....

all goes back to my previous point. regardless of who owns these servers, they want pubbers to keep it populated. As you stated, competition players dont care if theyre camped because they know how to get out of it. pubbers will continue to spawn in the same spot over and over just hoping it goes away lol. eventually they get pissed and leave as they know they can go to a camp free server.. or a server like Kittens where, on top of no camping, even those pesky pilots get kicked everytime they bomb a tank lol.

Originally posted by: iLLuzion18

all goes back to my previous point. regardless of who owns these servers, they want pubbers to keep it populated. As you stated, competition players dont care if theyre camped because they know how to get out of it. pubbers will continue to spawn in the same spot over and over just hoping it goes away lol. eventually they get pissed and leave as they know they can go to a camp free server.. or a server like Kittens where, on top of no camping, even those pesky pilots get kicked everytime they bomb a tank lol.

W/out sounding like a dink (haha) how come u play 1.6 & nonPB servers alot? Just not enough 1.61 or PB servers out there to play? Just askin ...

Originally posted by: Roofius


W/out sounding like a dink (haha) how come u play 1.6 & nonPB servers alot? Just not enough 1.61 or PB servers out there to play? Just askin ...

last time i checked, he was clean.

Originally posted by: icedearth01

Originally posted by: Roofius


W/out sounding like a dink (haha) how come u play 1.6 & nonPB servers alot? Just not enough 1.61 or PB servers out there to play? Just askin ...

last time i checked, he was clean.

you should quit "checking" down little boy's shorts...

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin [5223]

Originally posted by: icedearth01

Originally posted by: Roofius


W/out sounding like a dink (haha) how come u play 1.6 & nonPB servers alot? Just not enough 1.61 or PB servers out there to play? Just askin ...

last time i checked, he was clean.

you should quit "checking" down little boy's shorts...

how else i gonna know?

Originally posted by: icedearth01

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin [5223]

Originally posted by: icedearth01

Originally posted by: Roofius


W/out sounding like a dink (haha) how come u play 1.6 & nonPB servers alot? Just not enough 1.61 or PB servers out there to play? Just askin ...

last time i checked, he was clean.

you should quit "checking" down little boy's shorts...

how else i gonna know?

how else am I going to know?


ENGRISH CLASS!

Originally posted by: WaldoDude
I'd imagine that about 95% of the people who still play this incredibly broken game are most likely not casual pubbers. Even if they were, there are only a handful of servers up. Where are they going to go? Early in 42's lifespan EA's servers were incredibly easy to exploit due to FF being turned off and you could easily clear a server because there were 345354345 different servers to choose from. People disc'd all the time for minute things such as not getting a vehicle they wanted. Now they, like myself, have no place else to play.

It seems nearly futile to argue anyway. I'm just going to continue to get mongoloids like yourself replying with BECAUSE ASSHOLE LOLOLOZRZ.

this post explains the discrepancy between you're op and mine. because i defitely got the jist of your initial post.

95% (lolnotreally) of the players who play this game are actually casual pubbers. i can say just from being a part of the dp community, there are 3 of us now who actively compete (shrek, me, and tbonez). we rotate in other guys when we dont have enough, but we're the only ones who worry about making matches or anything else competition related. and then there are the other 20 people or so who are casual players, and i can promise you, despite their lack of dedication, they actually play far more often than i do. 3 of 23 is a rather small minority, and the same is true on the other populated servers. i know on moongamers, most of the people in at any given moment aren't even regular players, but just people who play very rarely. theres a constant stream of old players that boot the game up every once in a while and play it then uninstall. keep in mind this game sold something like 3 million units. there are a lot of nobodys who still play it because its fun, despite it being 'broken', and douchebags who think helpless spawns is fun ruin it for them


and lets be real
most people who compete hardly ever pub these days anyways.
Post edited by [Asylum] at 9/1/2008 9:31:32 PM

roof.. where u get off thinkin i play 1.6? lol... ive played on 1.6 maybe 2 times since i reinstalled bf.

i camp because i know how the other people feel.... but i dont play anymore so all of you are lucky.

Originally posted by: iLLuzion18
roof.. where u get off thinkin i play 1.6? lol... ive played on 1.6 maybe 2 times since i reinstalled bf.

Just asking. Dont get your knickers in a knot. Just dont like joining the servers your on. Bad company.

can he swing
from a web?
no he cant
hes a pig.

Originally posted by: Dirty Speirs


ur still arguing with people over the internets about a game you don't play

Actually we are playing 42. And a lot more than we would like since we've been banned from the only BFV server for aimbotting, botting, maphacking, knowing when people spawn, spawn camping, and telling the server owners they sucked on a regular basis.

TKO? xD

Originally posted by: [Asylum]

Originally posted by: WaldoDude
I'd imagine that about 95% of the people who still play this incredibly broken game are most likely not casual pubbers. Even if they were, there are only a handful of servers up. Where are they going to go? Early in 42's lifespan EA's servers were incredibly easy to exploit due to FF being turned off and you could easily clear a server because there were 345354345 different servers to choose from. People disc'd all the time for minute things such as not getting a vehicle they wanted. Now they, like myself, have no place else to play.

It seems nearly futile to argue anyway. I'm just going to continue to get mongoloids like yourself replying with BECAUSE ASSHOLE LOLOLOZRZ.

this post explains the discrepancy between you're op and mine. because i defitely got the jist of your initial post.

95% (lolnotreally) of the players who play this game are actually casual pubbers. i can say just from being a part of the dp community, there are 3 of us now who actively compete (shrek, me, and tbonez). we rotate in other guys when we dont have enough, but we're the only ones who worry about making matches or anything else competition related. and then there are the other 20 people or so who are casual players, and i can promise you, despite their lack of dedication, they actually play far more often than i do. 3 of 23 is a rather small minority, and the same is true on the other populated servers. i know on moongamers, most of the people in at any given moment aren't even regular players, but just people who play very rarely. theres a constant stream of old players that boot the game up every once in a while and play it then uninstall. keep in mind this game sold something like 3 million units. there are a lot of nobodys who still play it because its fun, despite it being 'broken', and douchebags who think helpless spawns is fun ruin it for them


and lets be real
most people who compete hardly ever pub these days anyways.

I'm not entirely sure I figured out the point you were trying to get across. You appear to be making some distinction between match players and casual pubbers, but I would consider myself a casual pubber so I'm not sure where you're going with that argument. I see a lot of the same faces on any given server at any given time. As I've said before, there are roughly a handful of decent servers to play on. Not a lot of choice. Not even a little choice really. I do however think that choosing to ban spawn camping out of fear that it will empty a server is a legitimate concern, but I don't think this is why most of the servers did it. It seems to have been done to even the playing field and give everyone a fighting chance. It's virtuous in its attempt, but ultimately fails because it ends up trading competition for equal play.

You also seemed to pick up on the term "broken" when I referred to 42's gameplay. To me this means a number of things, but the most significant of which is simply PB. As anyone knows who either played the game before PB or who has played anything else recently, hit detection is horrendous. It really feels like bullets just disappear when pings get above 50-60. This combined with 42's already glitchy gameplay was magnified in the PB patch and has the potential to make for some really frustrating times. That said, it can still be fun to hop in a jeep with a friend and bail out of it right before you send it off the nearest cliff.
Post edited by WaldoDude at 9/2/2008 4:17:49 AM

Play nice ill, you mean bastard.

I remember waldo from a long, long, long time ago. Am I reading this right? He's complaining about pub servers in a game he doesn't even play anymore?

Am I stuck in the Matrix again?
Post edited by Bugeater at 9/2/2008 7:40:38 AM

Originally posted by: Bugeater
Play nice ill, you mean bastard.

I remember waldo from a long, long, long time ago. Am I reading this right? He's complaining about pub servers in a game he doesn't even play anymore?

Am I stuck in the Matrix again?

its been an on going thing for a month or 2 now bug lol.. i cant remember the last time he made a post that wasnt bashing something or someone in the bf community even though he doesnt play it anymore lol..

It is a common illness/affliction.. I believe it is called "Ihavenolifesoicausedrama" syndrome
Post edited by KodeRed at 9/2/2008 12:32:06 PM

he does play though.. he was in ATF just 2 nights ago....

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Post edited by ddub· at 9/2/2008 12:17:38 PM

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The question that needs asking is... Did Waldo start playing to shut up those who say he shouldnt post because he doesnt play?

If that was the reason, he doesnt know TWL Members very well..

THE POINT IS, WALDO dood arrived to the party late. We've all seen this thread, but about 2-4 years ago when the game was...more alive.
He's like the kid who graduated from high school early cuz he was so leet. He's now revisiting his long lost teen hood.

YES, PUB SERVER RULES SUCK, but it's too late to bitch!

Originally posted by: TeChNiQuE5
THE POINT IS, WALDO dood arrived to the party late. We've all seen this thread, but about 2-4 years ago when the game was...more alive.
He's like the kid who graduated from high school early cuz he was so leet. He's now revisiting his long lost teen hood.

YES, PUB SERVER RULES SUCK, but it's too late to bitch!

I would have said it a little different, but I have to agree with the Techster...

Originally posted by: ddub·
he does play though.. he was in ATF just 2 nights ago....

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yea he played 2 nights ago.. now this thread exists lol..

Moongamers is a pub and they allow spawn camping. Of course, some of the contributors to this thread are no longer welcomed there due to past issues.

Only time it's not allowed on Moon is on Omaha when tickets are even, Axis has to leave beach flag so the Allies can cap it. Other than that, it's allowed and for the most part encouraged.

Originally posted by: pwnzrboy
Moongamers is a pub and they allow spawn camping. Of course, some of the contributors to this thread are no longer welcomed there due to past issues.

Only time it's not allowed on Moon is on Omaha when tickets are even, Axis has to leave beach flag so the Allies can cap it. Other than that, it's allowed and for the most part encouraged.

So, Waldo now has a new home.. whew... and I thought this thread was going to get out of hand...