(?) + UD vs teh Orcks + teh NiteElph

Is this the hardest team matchup for UD? You can't AMS because of dryads...mass ghoul = mass dead ghouls...can't really nuke any orc units other than their casters...

I was thinking of building a group of upgraded fiends and focus fire...but they won't have a meatwall unless I build a few aboms...which is pointless because of the rediculous amount of pierce damage they'll be recieving.

I find it hard to rush an orc now. They're getting a helluva lot better with base construction and it seems like many are tanking with a TC now (warstomp + burrows = TP!!!). Any ideas here? Crush the elf as early as possible? =-\
SlayerofFilth

I find that with UD necros + scroll of protection works pretty well. This is 1v1 though. The orc thing makes it all wack.

I'm not sure how well air works against that. But lvl 3 Death Coil and Unholy Frenzy on a Frost would work pretty well against maybe a few dryads but not like 20+ of em :/

Originally posted by: Britney Speared

But lvl 3 Death Coil and Unholy Frenzy on a Frost would work pretty well against maybe a few dryads but not like 20+ of em :/

I'm pretty sure their breath doesn't work on dryads (effect).... and the frosty is lvl 3... so the pierce will hose him.

eh...they actually rape dryads if you get enough of them but it doesn't matter because teh orck will have casters and healing ward so..yeah...lotta pierce damage makes the DK kinda useless. Oh..here's for those of you that might not understand what I'm talking about:

-orcks have stasis trap..warstomp..chain lightning...basically your ghouls have a snowball's chance in hell.

-You can't AMS like you can against a solo orc because of dryads. So...nuke again

-scrolls are ultimately useless because of the amount of damage you'll be recieving in such a short amount of time.

-Undead heroes fuxing suck vs. teh orcks (nova doesn't do shit to grunts, same with swarm..no point in using coil on grunts either unless they're nearly dead).

-NE have dryads...yep...that's really the only reason why this is a hard team.

-If the NE knows what can potentially happen to a poor UD player later in the game, he'll get a DH with burn and a PotM for a secondary. He won't need immolation because the ghouls are getting totally raped by the orck, so he can burn dreadlords for a free starfall.

Now this is bad enough in RT...I can just imagine on AT, where people can get this down to a science. Is it even possible for UD to win here? Of course it is...but I doubt it's possible if you're playing against people that are of an equal or better skill level. Again, this is only for the UD + (any race) team vs. ne + teh orcks.
SlayerofFilth

I would say go frosties + Death Knight. Get death coil to level 3 asap and even get unholy aura to level 3 before getting his ultimate. (for good build order talk to Captain_Kibitz as he's done this combo many times)

Yes frosties have heavy armor and take 50% extra dammage from pierce, but they have 1100 HP and a lot of armor when upgraded. They don't die nearly as fast to focus fire as other units do, so you actually have time to get off a death coil or two before losing a frostie. The large air units make it hard for the enemy to target your hero too. Also, it just makes sense to use air against orc because orc have no good counter to air.

The orcs healing wards won't matter much. They are also level 3, and they are not very effective against frost wyrms because of the rate at which frosties do dammage. Healing wards just can't keep up. And stasis traps don't work against air, so that's a win too. If your partner can also go air, then so much the better. Target enemy anti air first (dryads die really fast).


As for your partner, If he's orc then he should focus on grunts and casters with TC as hero (get aura). If he's human, then casters and rifles, or caster and footies with defend, or just gryphons is good too (again, large armor is compensated for by high hit points and massive dammage output). If elf, get PotM for sure because her ranged attack bonus will apply to the frosties, and for units get hunts to tank the dammage + storm crows to defend the frosties from enemy storm crows. Hippo Riders wouldn't hurt any, but beware of mass storm crows from the enemy NightElf.

If your partner is also Undead, he should tank the ground dammage with aboms and casters, and gargs if anti air is needed. He should also get Death Knight to double the healing cappacity. If he's good, he can keep an eye on the health of your frosties, and the two death knights can also heal each other if needed. Unfortunately, the unholy auras won't stack, but it's nice to still have it incase one of the heros dies.




I've seen Captain_Kibitz get 11 frosties + Death Knight on quite a few occasions, and I can attest to it's effectiveness. It's a late game strat and as such you will need good base construction to survive an enemy attack or two. At the start you get a lot more ghouls than normal because later you will spend wood like mad (and you can't get wood later because you have to kill off the ghouls to free up population). Also, the large number of ghouls will help you fend off early attacks.

Give it a try some time and see how you like it.

meh..

That requires at least one expansion running for some time...if not 2. I dunno...I know what you mean though...I usually build frost wyrms for intimidation...gets the focus off of my main force for a very long time. They do last...but the thing is starfall...I H8 manaburn...like I was saying, after SF goes off it's like "omg...". ESP if you're attacking within his base and it goes off.

The solo DK idea won't work because of starfall =\ I usually do solo DK to level 3...so I have lvl 1 coil and lvl 2 aura..then I get the DL...see if it's just a DH I'm facing, then I don't need the druglord..but most of the time they get a potm for their homosexual dryads. I'll see if I can get the wyrm thing down again..used to do it a lot but stopped cuz of more conventional strats.
SlayerofFilth

what does "meh" mean?

well, since it's a 2v2 and the orcs arent doing trolls or wyverns. It'll be 2x the wyrms or gargs vs maybe 10-12 dryads probably? at most 20ish. 20 wyrms > 20 dryads. Hell, your screen will be full up of wyrms.

Maybe I'll make them lag out. I'll frenzy everything, making them abolish, thus making their computer explode from like crazy grafix. Nice...
SlayerofFilth

even better build 100 towers and 10 frosties and see what they can do to the towers then BIATCH!!!! lol then u wait for a couple hours until they get tired of playing with u and leave lol
Post edited by jesus_drove_an_suv at 12/11/2002 1:03:48 AM

i have a rock and i know how to use it 8^D

teh possession?
SlayerofFilth

Originally posted by: AngelicEnmity

Originally posted by: Britney Speared

But lvl 3 Death Coil and Unholy Frenzy on a Frost would work pretty well against maybe a few dryads but not like 20+ of em :/

I'm pretty sure their breath doesn't work on dryads (effect).... and the frosty is lvl 3... so the pierce will hose him.

dryads suck vs wyrms, breath does work and its splash damage.

a|Wicked Bear
7 Classic: Golden Circle
5 Assed Monkey

Originally posted by: Britney Speared

well, since it's a 2v2 and the orcs arent doing trolls or wyverns. It'll be 2x the wyrms or gargs vs maybe 10-12 dryads probably? at most 20ish. 20 wyrms > 20 dryads. Hell, your screen will be full up of wyrms.

i dont know how many of you have games lasting this long but normally i've won or lost before anyone has more than a couple wyrms.

a|Wicked Bear
7 Classic: Golden Circle
5 Assed Monkey

wb, if they're doing a wyrm tech, it can happen pretty quickly. Even if they don't, it's very possible to squirt out a couple here and there..I do it sometimes.
SlayerofFilth

meh means that soulbag is teh ghey
SlayerofFilth

For every 2 grunts, you have about 3 ghouls, and if you have 2 scrolls of protection, the dryads' mana would be drained pretty quick since their refresh rate is pretty low. And after that, it's mass skeletons.

This was from what I seen today, but it was pub not AT.

The guy went chainlightning FS and TC with shockwave and endurance on my ghouls, but my UD partner went from behind and kill the dryads weally quick cuz normal damage vs light armor. All the while, my necros were raising skeletons and my DK/Lich combo was killing their FS.

Originally posted by: jesus_drove_an_suv

even better build 100 towers and 10 frosties and see what they can do to the towers then BIATCH!!!! lol then u wait for a couple hours until they get tired of playing with u and leave lol

as i said before lol
i have a rock and i know how to use it 8^D

Originally posted by: ^zombie^

meh means that soulbag is teh ghey

yer mean to me

and i'm nice


you should be nice

nuh uh
SlayerofFilth

I'm amazed at how quick the chain lightning and shockwave kill ghouls. 1 chain lightning and 1 Shockwave across your ghouls and they're as good as gone. So I guess it all depends on how long they survive and if they survive long enough to get the mass skeletons working.

^zombie^, please tell me what "meh" means.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT SOULBAG


MEH is the same shit as BLAH, BLEH, BAH, BEH, SO FORTH!!! OMG

gg i lub u
SlayerofFilth

i don't do chat

chat rooms, irc, mirc, aim, icq, etc. etc... it's all evil

the only disadvantage of avoiding all that shit is that you don't get to know what "meh" means

ugh. blah. urmph. *fart*.

You're an old man aren't you. I have a ton of old men on my t2 clan. They all say the same shit :P "what's this crazy compter talk mean??"
SlayerofFilth

Zombie = evil.

dude holy shit I take back everything I've ever said about marvel capcom 2. I played it for the first time and it's VERY noob-friendly. I actually had some good fights. I used spider-man *duh*, and ryu and akuma cuz everyone else is just foreign territory.
SlayerofFilth

go with venom, he's the baddest ass in the game. this is on topic because i'm waiting to find a ffa game. takes forever anywhere above like level 3.
my war3
my tunes

Come over, I got it.

I unlocked Bison for u too.

you have to unlock him? wtf...he's in the arcade version as a readily playable character =-
btw, Frost Wyrms do win on teh orcks and niteElph team. I had just 6 upgraded to +2+1 and i won...my ally built nothing and basically died..his lvl 4 DH actually helped a bit later on though.
SlayerofFilth

U have to unlock like everyone... i'll show u sometime.

What's your work schedule this week+weekend?

I unlocked like 6 ppl last night but didn't save. Now, I have Omega Red.
SlayerofFilth

OR sucks to play against.

I use Ken, Rogue, and the chick on the robot.

I want to play too

this thread is funny

And the fucking NE... the dryads are SOOOO unfair on Marvel vs Capcom 2.