Final Pred

FF vs COM - This should be a great match both teams deserving. Based on the map I have to give it to COM. COM is going to do a great job as FF will however my prediction is COM 1-0. If tanks are limited ALOT though to 2 or less my prediction is for FF.

xK vs Ploy - Should be fun. Good luck and have fun.

FF wins the tourney

Ploy gets 3rd place

I thought you loved me

FF .

Xk > Ploy... screw the finals.

Hmm...hard to say who's gonna win. However, I'm gonna go with the fellas from =COM=...much ...

However, *FF has proven to be one of the best clans I've ever seen in CoD/UO...so...it's really hard to say.

GL to both teams...

FF easily outskills COM in man to man combat, however the tanks will make a difference here. I root for FF and for my homeboi FF*Untouchable! GO Kill em all!
Post edited by DJSatane at 11/23/2004 10:47:55 AM

I hope the finals are a great game.gl to both teams.

Originally posted by: DJSatane
FF easily outskills COM in man to man combat, however the tanks will make a difference here. I root for FF and for my homeboi FF*Unotuchable! GO Kill em all!

Well I'm not sure if dj knows com but if he does and this statment is true I dont want to run into any ff on pubs or matches

well depending on the map, if FF has wombat in they will win., but if there are tanks i still think FF will get it...com is really good, but its real easy to hide behind key points in the map with a heavy tank lol...gl FF COM ..should be great. xK=ploy - cya there. FF needs to whore is up beyond belief to get this one..hopefully com guys will be playing WOW and will be in a terrible hangover
Post edited by ELITEEE at 11/23/2004 9:53:13 AM

well depending on the map, is FF has wombat in they will win., but if there are tanks i still think FF will get it...cuz is really good, but its real easy to hide behind key points in the map with a heavy tank lol...gl FF COM ..should be great. xK=ploy - cya there.

FF will decimate COM..

Just stating the facts

Double post, I wonder if your the drunk one.

Good luck to all teams, I have to talk to my team personally I have a 95% I will not play.

FF > CoM
Ploy = xK <---- Have fun

Originally posted by: TeaBagger
Double post, I wonder if your the drunk one.

Good luck to all teams, I have to talk to my team personally I have a 95% I will not play.

FF > CoM
Ploy = xK <---- Have fun

I want to spectate the Ploy vs. xK match....

I'll make a movie out of it!



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If FF takes the middle and axis flag spawn I predict them to get at least ten or more flags on =COM=.

If its a stalemate and =COM= really takes advantage of there tank camping skills then its going to be close.
Trust me we played them on karkov, it was absolutly horrible the score was 1-0 in our favor.
Post edited by EnderTM at 11/23/2004 12:45:53 PM


With a tongue of poetry
I ate the spine of Atlas
-Otep

I think the score will be a lot closer than people realize. Considering xK kept their match with *FF close, I expect the same(if not more) out of =COM=.

FF are just more aggresive than =COM= by a long shot. Its going to be more interesting than e)) vs Ploy

With a tongue of poetry
I ate the spine of Atlas
-Otep

if there were no tanks this wouldnt even be a final, FF* would have gotten there regardless. COM's only chance to win this is to do what most teams have done in this tourney .. whore tanks.

Originally posted by: assassin/whodatb?
if there were no tanks this wouldnt even be a final, FF* would have gotten there regardless. COM's only chance to win this is to do what most teams have done in this tourney .. whore tanks.

So true, I think the tanks weren't used as weapons or strategically but more as another means of being a camping fruitcake. It's a shame to play a team and find all six of their guys in a tank win or lose. It's very boring and just not fun.

Originally posted by: assassin/whodatb?
if there were no tanks this wouldnt even be a final, FF* would have gotten there regardless. COM's only chance to win this is to do what most teams have done in this tourney .. whore tanks.

Yea...

Whoever made that mod that put tanks playable in United Offensive should be shot.

Oh wait, tanks are part of UO.

Oh well, then TWL should have made a ATC2 tournament without tanks.

Oh wait, they did the first time.



UO has tanks. This tournament is UO. TWL plays stock out of the box. UO comes stock with tanks.

Did you guys honestly think it would be different?

I say *FF for the win, but it won't be an easy victory in the least bit. I'll go with a 2 flag difference, *FF on top.



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GL to all teams, should be a fun match

COM for the win

Com will get tea bagged.

FF for the easy win

COM for the win

I heard they limited tanks on foy to 2 ... if so FF with a blowout.

COM to be the champs

Originally posted by: TeamxK.net | Myst1c
COM for the win

agreed

Only 2 tanks : )

FF all the way, Nailer I want your free t-shirt j/k

2 tanks + funky spawns + COM is daymn good = could go either way imo.

Should be fun for both teams.

nex

Definatly will not be a blow out.

FF by 1-2

I really disagree with this whole 2 tanks limit. Once again a mod/ruling non existant until now that is going to swing to another teams favor..and no I'm not talking about xk vs ploy I'm talking about COM vs FF....one team is better with a vehicle defense another is better with man defense, same with vehicle rush and man rush...there were now 2 rulings indirectly (not on purpose) that are helping FF because some people don't like tanks in UO or like long matches.

The simple fact that if things were to be done as written would be a different match as if they limit tanks or try to quicken the results really is upseting.


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Originally posted by: -=TIO=- Fluffytuff

Originally posted by: assassin/whodatb?
if there were no tanks this wouldnt even be a final, FF* would have gotten there regardless. COM's only chance to win this is to do what most teams have done in this tourney .. whore tanks.

Yea...

Whoever made that mod that put tanks playable in United Offensive should be shot.

Oh wait, tanks are part of UO.

Oh well, then TWL should have made a ATC2 tournament without tanks.

Oh wait, they did the first time.



UO has tanks. This tournament is UO. TWL plays stock out of the box. UO comes stock with tanks.

Did you guys honestly think it would be different?

I say *FF for the win, but it won't be an easy victory in the least bit. I'll go with a 2 flag difference, *FF on top.

well said.
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Originally posted by: assassin/whodatb?
I heard they limited tanks on foy to 2 ... if so FF with a blowout.

thanks for proving my point.
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Originally posted by: TeamxK.net | ChicagoKilla
I really disagree with this whole 2 tanks limit. Once again a mod/ruling non existant until now that is going to swing to another teams favor..and no I'm not talking about xk vs ploy I'm talking about COM vs FF....one team is better with a vehicle defense another is better with man defense, same with vehicle rush and man rush...there were now 2 rulings indirectly (not on purpose) that are helping FF because some people don't like tanks in UO or like long matches.

The simple fact that if things were to be done as written would be a different match as if they limit tanks or try to quicken the results really is upseting.

Cool thing here is that when you run your tournament you can make the rules/settings however you like. Until then, it's up to TWL as to however many tanks they want on whatever map they want. I think the admins have done a nice job mixing tank vs non-tank maps over the course of the tourney.

I'd imagine the logic here is that they don't want a finals map playing out like the semi-finals map did. I know you may enjoy playing a 4-5 hour standstill with 35 overtimes, but I think for the average gamer in this tourney who has a life outside of gaming, that is not reasonable. Looking from the TWL perspective, you also want a finals match that will hopefully show off the many facets of this game which oftentimes can be masked or completely eradicated by a map/match where everyone is literally insde of a tank 99.9% of the match. This decision also makes it a much more TSN friendly matchup as their will be a good deal more small arms encounters and variety...as opposed to calling constant tank kills every 10-20 seconds...boring to shoutcast, boring to listen to.

I like the ruling, I think it will make it much nicer for both teams involved and I say that win or lose. I do think it unfair of you to discount COMs shooting skill outside of a tank. Ive seen them in pubs and they can shoot on par with anyone out there.

nex

CK foy is all about the vehicle rushes! 30 tanks or no tanks. As to what we are better at, you have played us twice and you scored no flags on a map that is based on vehicle defense and scored 2 flags on a map that is based on man defense?

Originally posted by: nexFF


Cool thing here is that when you run your tournament you can make the rules/settings however you like. Until then, it's up to TWL as to however many tanks they want on whatever map they want. I think the admins have done a nice job mixing tank vs non-tank maps over the course of the tourney.....

I like the ruling, I think it will make it much nicer for both teams involved and I say that win or lose. I do think it unfair of you to discount COMs shooting skill outside of a tank. Ive seen them in pubs and they can shoot on par with anyone out there.

nex

This would be fine if it were a plain 'ole ladder or league. But this is a tourn. where prizes are offered by companies. I can't see how you can change the rules once the game has begun. Sure if new puinkbuster comes out update it or if PAM gets approved to make match settings easier. But to actually change the way the game is played is not good. You could cause some real trouble changing it up like that.

This would be fine if it were a plain 'ole ladder or league. But this is a tourn. where prizes are offered by companies. I can't see how you can change the rules once the game has begun. Sure if new puinkbuster comes out update it or if PAM gets approved to make match settings easier. But to actually change the way the game is played is not good. You could cause some real trouble changing it up like that.

Normally I would agree with you, but because uo is brand new, and has never been played this deeply, maybe TWL is realizing some of the things out of the box, that they may have overlooked are in no way shape or form tournament friendly, or at least there idea of tournament. Maybe they should have waited till all the maps were played in scims and matches and had gotten some feedback, but I belive there idea for the ATC2 was to kick off UO. I believe TWL is making these changed because and I quote a tsn caster casting Italy...which had 14 tanks..."This is the most boring CTF ever."

Like it our not, how the game looks to spectators does contribute to how the rules are formed. TSN certainly doesn't want a 10 overtime match with tanks killing tanks after tanks killing tanks. Neither do I, and I hope, neither do you.
Post edited by untouchableFF at 11/26/2004 9:46:03 PM

I understand untouchable, it can make a long match. I hope that the timers are increased a little in the new league with tanks. But the point here, and no I have no stake in this, is you can't have a contest for prizes then change the rules at the end. Your setting yourself (The League)up for a big fall. Who will want to be in a competition in the future knowing they can just change the way the game is played when they want and not up front in the beginning. Like I said a league or ladder no biggy. But putting prizes out there brings a liability and such that you can be contrude as rigging a contest and could result in possible legal action for the League (I know thats extreme but a reality in todays world) Just trying to look out for TWL thats all. Not trying to create a rift between tank lovers and haters. Just have it on Stanjel or sicily. No tanks :-)