OSP 0.3f - ADMIN PLEASE ADDRESS!

The new version of OSP is out (0.3f) which most notably fixes the shotgun-lean bug. My question is this: is this mod allowed for match play? Previous versions of OSP were allowed because they do NOT alter gameplay. But the new version most definitely alters gameplay, making OSP not a server tool, but a MOD. OSP 0.3f should then be either made mandatory or banned from match play, correct?

This could create problems during matches, ie. your opponents server has the bug fix, yours does not...this would lead to 2 different gaming environments. I just want to get this cleared up, as I know several clans are already installing this mod.

Also, CAL Scotto has informed me that OSP 0.3f is currently ILLEGAL for CAL match play, and a statement will be released shortly.
Post edited by Furious -=[OG]=- at 7/28/2003 11:38:07 AM

The OSP rule still stands. If both teams agree to use it then it is fine. OSP is still not mandatory for matchplay nor is it specifically prohibited.

OSP 0.3f is being tested by the entire competitive community. TWL is a community oriented gaming ladder and after everyone has had a chance to look it over, we'll come to a decision on it.

edit: Just to clarify a bit more, if either one of the two teams do NOT wish to play on 0.3f, then the match will not be played on 0.3f. As it stands, I encourage all teams NOT to match on 0.3f. However, feel free to scrim on it and evaluate the changes for yourself.

Post edited by GarathK at 7/28/2003 11:41:56 AM

ospv0.3f as the orangesmoothie ppl say has the fix of the lean-crounch bug, it would not b fair if 1 server uses the fix and 1 doesnt, u should make it mandatory for all clans.

CHANGES THAT REQUIRE G_ENHANCEDBUGFIXES TO BE ENABLED ***
- fix: shotguns and melee weapons now hit crouched players (crouch lean bug)
NOTE: in order to fix this problem some of the shotgun's stats had to be readjusted, the shotgun
will "feel" different because the hit detection of each pellet is now done like the rifle bullets
meaning that they have to hit the "real" player model (hence fixing the crouch and leaning no-hits)
Also the shotguns will fire innacurately when jumping (like the other weapons)
M590_INACCURACY 0.0f
M590_MAXINACCURACY 1.5f
M590_SPREAD 1.5f
USAS_INACCURACY 0.5f
USAS_MAXINACCURACY 2.0f
USAS_SPREAD 1.75f
- fix: all projectiles now hit leaning players where they should, in default Sof2 all projectiles
go through someone who is leaning, not anymore
i.e.: projectiles can now wiz by your head if they dont hit your actual player model,
grenades can be thrown between legs instead of bouncing on an invisible wall in front of
the player, etc.
- add: client: "osp_useKeyForLadders", option to have to press the use key to grab ladders,
disabled by default
- add: m4 rifles's m203 cannon does not reload automatically any longer, you need to press the alternate
fire button a second time for it to reload

edit: besides, we all knew that the bug was there, now that it has been fixed its only right to use it, y use a bugged version when u can use the un-bugged 1.
Post edited by [TheFORCE] at 7/28/2003 11:54:16 AM

'we all knew that the bug was there, now that it has been fixed its only right to use it, y use a bugged version when u can use the un-bugged 1'

I like the idea of using it, but it needs to be tested more thourouhly and made mandatory

i noticed it fixes quite a few things..like the shotty being more inaccurate in a jump..and now when someone leans u can actually hit them..so i'd push for this being implemented soon

i am with getting rid of the croch/lean glitch. also, the m590 feels nerfed a bit, and again, i think that's fine; it is a secondary weapon.
however, this version of osp is not backwards compatible. at bx|soul's request, a few of us jumped onto their server, downloaded the new ospf, but when i joined a server running and earlier version of osp, features started to disappear.
most important of note, the team scores function that allows u to see you is dead, who is not, ect...
orangesmoothie needs to work this kink out...

this version is needed by the server too, a server that runs v0.3d and a client with 0.3f the client will only see the 3d features.

o, and tinkering with the m4 this late in the game? no auto reload after an m203 is kicked out? so some1 misses me with an m203, but then has no penalty...they can unload m4 shells...GREAT

bad mod.

Originally posted by: Nutzack
o, and tinkering with the m4 this late in the game? no auto reload after an m203 is kicked out? so some1 misses me with an m203, but then has no penalty...they can unload m4 shells...GREAT

bad mod.

what does being late in the game have to do with anything? If nothing else, it'll bring a little life back into the game. As mentioned elsewhere, if this was a raven patch, no one would be complaining. But since Raven has abandoned us and all support for Sof2, its up to the community to continue the game. I haven't even played the new OSP yet, but I fully support furthuring the game through community improvements. That includes maps, gameplay tweaks, competitive mods etc.

I for one, hate getting blasted by some skill-less dweeb holding down the fire button on his shotgun at 300ft. Or lay a direct shot on someone crouch-leaning to have it do squat for damage.

I don't have an opinion about the M4 changes yet, but since I don't use the weapon, it'll have to be based on the other end of the barrel for me. However, I don't presume to bash the whole mod based on one change.

its bad enuf havin to dodge one m203 at a time, but if they are gonna be able to shoot em like bullets that might be kinda gay

^affirmitive. seriously, what were they thinking. the auto reload cuts down on realism, but i dont think this is a sim...

m4 rifles's m203 cannon does not reload automatically any longer, you need to press the alternate
fire button a second time for it to reload

m203 currently reloads automatically after u fire the 1st nade, osp changed it so after u fire the 1st nade, u have to hit the button to reload. so where does it say that m203 will fire like bullets, from what i can understand this will make everyone to use m203 even less. not more.

i agree with forcre i read it as u probably get the same amount of nades for the 203 but its slower to use cause U have to remember to reload it

also, the way it makes contact with your opponent is also different. you've got to get a direct hit, or a bit of splash damage. before, you could duck out of the way of a m203, but it would still hit you dead on. now, you can duck a m203, or have it whizz past your ear when you lean, or even have it go thru your legs.

use this new OSP

Originally posted by: [TheFORCE]

m4 rifles's m203 cannon does not reload automatically any longer, you need to press the alternate
fire button a second time for it to reload

m203 currently reloads automatically after u fire the 1st nade, osp changed it so after u fire the 1st nade, u have to hit the button to reload. so where does it say that m203 will fire like bullets, from what i can understand this will make everyone to use m203 even less. not more.

NOT the m203 firing like bullets BUT the nifty little M$ that sits atop of it. the community was asking for help addressing the lean bug, not the M4/M203...

the m203 was affected by the bug as well tho nut. fixing the crouch lean problem meant somewhat neutering the m203, as it can't rely on hitboxes anymore. something had to be done to offset this, and i think m203 usage will go DOWN if anything.

they can take that mod and shove it up their a hole, they killed the shottie and all weapons actually feel different. if we wanted to use the ghey uzi we could do ics. this mod suks!

I am not in support for this osp, 70% of all weapons have been in affect and changes the game play i have grown acustome too... im gonna see what i can do on reversing this osp on IMT server cause it has change the game far to much

i don't like the having to reload ur m203 sucks mods not the greatest was better before it

As mentioned elsewhere, if this was a raven patch, no one would be complaining

first off yes people would complain., they would complain about it being to small of a patch. then the would start complainging about when they would get more.

bottom line is if raven fixed it i wouldnt have a problem because its their game and they know what their doing. as well as thinking out any adverse effects it might have.

thumbs down, the mod is lame. you people who think your gonna get better because crouch lean doesnt work are sadly mistaken. and i wont even get into the m203 stuff., thats the most rediculous thing i ever heard. needless to say that new osp will never touch my rig.