ATTN: Admin

There should be a rule saying if you go on the roof on bespin or streets you get a forfeit loss cuz its weak to do in matches

I never knew you could do that, but sounds like it would be gay in competative play.

ill show you, there are some spots where you cant do dmg to them no whatter what you shoot at em, plus to get up there you lose all health so they can kill u easily if u get there

nevermind, I was thinking of a different map.
Post edited by Contender1 at 8/1/2002 5:09:06 PM

I do agree with Bespin. However, if what I am thinking you mean in streets, it's not all that hard to get to them. And if it's the place I am thinking of, one false move and they fall.

Bespin, on the other hand, could pose a problem. I've successfully gotten to the tops, but it took me a while. I dunno if there's a specific strategy to get up there. In a heated game, though, it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Krash, in Bespin, look up at the bridge and at the flags. You can get up on those pipes. It takes hella health, but you can do it.

Well if they can get on top of bespin with enemies trying to kill them then I'd give them props.. If you dont do it right, you usually fall.. Then most likely if they got up there, they would have to get down in time and alive to cap.. Just the falling would probably kill them.. Somebody could come pick it up, but so could the enemy. So I dont think it would really be a problem on bespin.. On streets, you could get up there by yourself, which would leave you with low health, so it would be easy to be killed, or having to take the time to get up with 2 people would easily leave you open to be killed.. I say leave it alone.. But I did hear that HEL was hiding on streets above the sniper ledge against BF.. You can be sniped there, but its hard.. So maybe make hiding there illegal? I dunno.. =\

on streets, there are places where splash damage guns cant hurt them nor sniper rifle.. its literally impossible to do damage unless you get on the roof yourself, and your team can blow out the windows which means insta cap, and no, you can move all u want with out falling up in this place

Then I'm not thinking of the same place in streets. I gotta look for it now.

Yeah, HEL used some spots like that on Warring Factions in our match from what I've heard from our other players. Not spots that you can't hurt them (at least I'm not sure) but jsut spots that you can hide up above w/ grip. I always intended to get a ruling for future matches on how acceptable it is so we know if we want to try it, or if we want to watch out for it. *shrug* Either way it'd be nice to know.

should I bother on making a demo of this and posting to prove to admins?

Completely agree with you Meta. I'm kind of suprised it isn't already a rule.

Well its up to the admins but HEL used that on us in the last match to win the first map. I think its part of the game so I have no problem with it.

Its a good one. You can hide up there and then jump to flag cap easily.



Post edited by Hoby at 8/2/2002 3:15:22 AM

Yeah I was on D when we played HEL and didnt figure it out till late in the map (WF) how they were getting behind me. Didnt consider it a "cheat" or anything.
Post edited by =NCG=Merlyn at 8/2/2002 7:23:28 AM

I know of the tricks and I know how to get up top of both maps every time. They are cheap and make it more annoying to say find the flag carrier, but once someone is aware of the places they are just as effective as any other spot. Besides if you actually get the opportunity to get up to these spots in a competitive game, the enemy isn't working hard enough.

I agree they should be banned in competitive play, but for public servers its a bit of harmless fun.

its fine on pubs but in matches it totally weak, I know a spot on your map too I can get to it everytime

Im not sure what our cappers were doing to get to the flag in that game...i was on defense that time....

I do remember using that tactic to protect our flag carrier during standoffs.

Its an official map, I say until Raven fixes it...it stays.

There are similar places on bespin, bespin towers, yavin, and one of the other new maps....not destroyer.....cant remember the name.

Its up to the map designers to kill strats like that.....

MOH AA has a spot in TDM where you can get to by ladder jumpiong. Its a far out place and provides you a virtual can of fish to shoot into for A LOT of kills. CAL admins have no problem with it......

Their ruling...if you can get up there in the middle of a game with all that crap going on.....its ok.

Bespin Towers SE doesn't have that big hole in the wall, and as for that tiny ledge round the side... well its a good hiding place but you have to leave there eventually.

Anything come of this post??

The big thing is that map makers don't always find all the bugs. Not only that, but you know how hard it was for raven to get Lucas to let them make a patch, so this is something that has to be settled here on TWL. I know T2 has rules against this kind of thing and I hope JK2 takes up the same possition.

A team composted of former clan-mates in T2 had to accept a forfeit loss as admins ruled against them due to hiding in a Force Field that IS A PART OF THE MAP. Therefore, the argument that "because it's in the map it's okay" doesn't really hold much water. Especially since if you get up top on WF, you can travel practicly the whole map by rooftop.

I never did like exploits.. using them nor having them used.. But whatever.. untill an admin makes the ruling I guess we'll just have to accept it.
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=NCG=KageKaze
Co-SL Jedi Knight II
New Century Gamers

Can we please have admins look into this, give us a reply???
I do think it's an issue and shouldn't be ignored.

Thanks

The admins aren't concerned about the game.
The imperial vote issue was also ignored, because
the admins are too busy trying to stop flame wars that haven't started yet.

Its not easy to figure out what is and is not an issue on this forum. I get stuck spending most of my time removing gay porn links in here.

I will look into this in the morning. Sorry for the delay.

I dont have a problem with this, dispite how lame is might be. I cont see how this would be an imbalancing situation.

]CkB[Polaris
Teamwarfare Director of Operations

Originally posted by: Zephorath

The admins aren't concerned about the game.
The imperial vote issue was also ignored, because
the admins are too busy trying to stop flame wars that haven't started yet.

haha, yes. they're so paranoid now leaping at shadows because of their idiotic policy against drama in the jk2 community.