Your opinion: Scripting

Recently, I've had some issues come up in reguards to the use of 'scripts' to automate a few actions, suck as the light lunge thrust and saber locks. Unfortunately, nothing currently exist in the rules addressing this issue.

I personally do not approve of the use of scripts in matches and stuff and would like a rule placed against it. But before that happens, I want to know what are your opinions about it. Thanks.

I agree, they take away from the game, and its so easy if u know how to do it to be like "Ok, im going to have this scrip do a combo of this this and this, while i have my weapons change really really fast so i can pick up and fire 2 shots off immediatly"

Didnt tribes have a prob like this?

I whole-heartedly agree that scripts are wrong when used to provide a material advantage in the game. It's one thing to like use TeamOverlay, and another thing to have a series of moves bound to the "X" key.

The problem I see with making a rule about it is enforceability. There is no sense putting it in writing if you can't back it up. The game needs serious anti-cheat, anti-smurf help.

Originally posted by: Xel'Naga

I agree, they take away from the game, and its so easy if u know how to do it to be like "Ok, im going to have this scrip do a combo of this this and this, while i have my weapons change really really fast so i can pick up and fire 2 shots off immediatly"

Didnt tribes have a prob like this?

No, I don't think Tribes had the problem. I mainly use scripts just to things. (In Tribes 2)

1.) Keep track of where the flag is.
2.) Warn me when I have a missle following me.
3.) Switch between one weapon to another quickly for a good combo
4.) Tally up kills.

Ok now I just said that #3 wasn't really a problem, but I only think scrpits are a problem if they aren't avalible to eveyone in the community. If I can go to a scrpit site right now that everyone else can use, I don't see scripts as cheating.


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as far as cheat protection, the only existing cheats are like CS wallhacks, HELPS A LOT IN SABERS DOESNT IT, and they are basically a waste anyways cause there isnt this thing called force seeing?!?!?!?! I am impartial to what happens in regards to script usage since i dont use them
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I've heard that some people have scripts that will automatically pull/push people that use rage + speed. I haven't really gotten into the scripting aspect of JK2, so I do not know if it is either possible or even used. All I know is all I'm told.

It doesn't matter, imo, if scripts are made available to the masses to use. There are certain things that are a form of cheating. It takes no skill or knowledge of the game; it only takes the knowledge to bind a key to the action. Like BB said, there is a difference between simple scripts (like a team overlay) and something like auto-pushing when a rager is in sight.
Post edited by Lord Rage at 8/1/2002 12:48:40 PM

I use a lot of scripts.... please don't make them illegal None of the stuff I have gives me an advantage. The only one that comes close to giving me an advantage (which I don't even use anymore becauase it takes too long) is binding a key to throwing a mine or det, then pulling out my repeater and alt firing. The rest of my stuff is: demo script, tab-keeper, rage announce, force favorites (hoby's), +use-toggle, valarchat, vocal-o, and rocket\flechette jump. I will be relasing all of these if anyone wants them on the JBF website as soon as we get it up.

Just because something is available to everyone to use doesn't make it right. Does that make Aim-Bots okay because they're available to download for anyone who wants them?

Basicly "Scripts" covers alot of things.. from simple recording scrips to performing actions for you. Personally I don't use scripts that use actions for me because then I'm relying on a script to do something that *I* should be able to do myself. That's why I don't use Auto-Missile or Auto-Flare in Tribes 2. Something like a weapon switcher that allows you to fire a shot from 2 differant weapons faster than normal isn't right IMHO, but if it happens at the same speed a person could do manually, I don't see the harm really.

Basically, ceartain scripts are bad, but some just usefull utility scripts. I had heard of a script that turns on absorb the moment pull/push, or any other kinda force is used on you. I don't know if it truly exists or was just dreamed up by some poor player that couldn't stop a Light Side player, but if it existed, that would be the kind of script we'd want to stop.

All in all, I can't think of any scripts (that I know of) that are bad in JK2. Even the YawSpeed script for BackStabs was more annoying than a problem. Like T2 this could just be a dynamic rule that evolves as more and more information is knowna bout just WHAT JK2 scripts can do.

Guess that's it.
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YOu all would be amazed at the complexity that scripts can give you an advantage.

But yes, their enforcibility is almost impossible.

I'm specifically talking about scripts that give an unfair advantage, not utility scripts or stuff that just makes things easier.

For example
rocket jumping: OK
one button push to win a saber lock: Not OK

Lord Rage, it's impossible to make a scrip that automatically pull's, push'es someone who has darkrage on

yeah, where you hear that rage?

But its not impossible to make a proggie to detect mind trickers......although moot point since their is force seeing.

Its not impossible to make a proggie to auto pull/push rage users when crosshairs hit them.

You guys all under estimate the lengths some people will go to ruin other peoples good time.

That being said...I really feel that there is no more cheating in this game community than there is in CS. =]

haha ok jawa

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JAWA DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PROGRAMMING SCRIPTING??? OMG... Can we get a ban for being an idiot here???

As far as I know, the only program that came *close* to as complex as what you were talking about was a program that OGC made for quake3, that was a bot that would automatically shoot once it saw the rgb code for blue or red. Now only did the aimbot work horribly, but it couldnt predict for shit and only worked a tiny bit over lan and would get percentages low for even a complete newbie, now to make this script work with darkrage is even harder, and even worse. The only thing that would be able to detect mind trickers would be editing the inivisable skin for mindtrick which would only work on unpure servers...

Like I stated....

Not impossible....

Insulting me only provides proof your dumber than me, and thats why your trying to bring me down to your level.

To make you feel better.

Have fun guys...I refuse to get into this "crap" slinging some of you enjoy as much as monkies do.

Like Krash, most of my scripts are utility scripts. The main one I use is for communications. I toggle between offensive and defensive comm options and then select the appropriate message I want to send. Usefull in matches, if your not using something like RW and also for instructing tards to get out of your way.

I have yet to come across any type of 'listener' functionality available for .cfg file scripting that would support what Jawa is suggesting. There is no event handling that I am aware of.

I mean, you COULD leverage the API that is available and write something that runs in the background along side Jk2, but the average player is not going to go through that type of hassle to create something that complex for something as trivial as a push-pull.
Post edited by [TK-808]Hamburglar at 8/1/2002 6:51:02 PM

Originally posted by: [HEL]Jawa
Have fun guys...I refuse to get into this "crap" slinging some of you enjoy as much as monkies do.

Wasnt it you who was getting mad about the racist remakrs? Now you yourself are making racist comments about monkeys!! Monkeys have feelings to you know..

Sharp.....

Thank you...I actually laughed out loud on that one.

Looking forward to playing you guys....