To TWL- The patch sucks

The new patch sucks & should not be required to play in any matches. I think in my opinion that there should be a vote on this subject. Let the membersdecide which to use. The patch makes the game worthless & takes away everything we bought the game for.

Did you buy the game for nerfed guns and backstab scripts?
1.04 is a step in the right direction, but raven won't be doing anymore. So we either live with 1.04, or wait for the 1.0 release of jk2++ which is amazing.

Im up for JK2++
1.04 will be ok till that is up and live. My 2 cents.
Post edited by =NCG=Merlyn at 7/23/2002 2:19:05 PM

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I can't stand JK2++

I've been playing on the Jolt JK2++ server because its the only guns CTF server which has decent pings.

WHY DID THEY MAKE IT SO THAT WEAPONS CAN BE USED AS AMMO PICKUPS?

You can now just stand on a weapon and in about 5 seconds your ammo will be full, even with rockets. It makes rocket fights rediculous, especially since your ability to use push is gone after the first 5 rockets. The Rockets in JK2 are balanced because its supposed to be hard to get ammo for them, JK2++ really screws this up.

I take regular 1.04 Guns CTF any day.

Originally posted by: DeTRiTiC-iQ

I can't stand JK2++

I've been playing on the Jolt JK2++ server because its the only guns CTF server which has decent pings.

WHY DID THEY MAKE IT SO THAT WEAPONS CAN BE USED AS AMMO PICKUPS?

You can now just stand on a weapon and in about 5 seconds your ammo will be full, even with rockets. It makes rocket fights rediculous, especially since your ability to use push is gone after the first 5 rockets. The Rockets in JK2 are balanced because its supposed to be hard to get ammo for them, JK2++ really screws this up.

I take regular 1.04 Guns CTF any day.

THEN CHANGE THE FUCKING WEAPON RESPAWN TIMES.
THIS IS NOT A JK2++ PROBLEM, IT IS A JOLT SERVER SPECIFIC PROBLEM.

Please excuse my lashing out, but blaming jk2++ for a server problem angers me.

Kthx

Originally posted by: Draco062

The new patch sucks & should not be required to play in any matches. I think in my opinion that there should be a vote on this subject. Let the membersdecide which to use. The patch makes the game worthless & takes away everything we bought the game for.

Draco062 = Saber n00b.

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No, sorry buddy. Noob I am not, & I would appreciate you keeping your stupid comments to yourself. I am voicing an opinion, if you dont like it then dont reply to it. Just trying to get everyones thoughts on it if it is okay with you. I already upgraded to the patch, I jyst want to know what everyone thinks about it.
Post edited by Draco062 at 7/23/2002 5:35:28 PM

I love JK2++. There aren't enough servers for it apparently, because when I host a game I get a lot of people trying to join. =/ We need some saber only JK2++ servers...

Draco062:

No, sorry buddy. Noob I am not, & I would appreciate you keeping your stupid comments to yourself. I am voicing an opinion, if you dont like it then dont reply to it. Just trying to get everyones thoughts on it if it is okay with you. I already upgraded to the patch, I jyst want to know what everyone thinks about

And we are letting you know. 1.04 is good with us.. if you don't like it, you don't have to play. http://www.myleague.com. Start your own JK2 retail ladder. Then take all your noob backstab buddies with you.
Also, calling you a noob is voicing our opinion about you, so don't shut down other people's opinions and hold yours on high.

The only thing I am tired of is having to listen to all your stupid name calling. What are you all under 20 or what? Grow up. Like I said I use the patch & am asking everyones opinion about it. No need to be an ass about it. Can;t anyone ever answer a question or have a debate about something without everyone going nuts & acting like little kids? I have been playing since it came out, I use the new patch, & I very rarely use a backstab. But if I do & you cant defend against it, who is the noob? There are new people playing the game all the time. It is so helpfull for everyone calling them noob's. Like none of you were?
let's just grow up & have a normal conversation. You like it or you dont. Oh yeah, you dont know me, I dont know you. Thats why I dont trash talk to other members.
Post edited by Draco062 at 7/23/2002 10:50:08 PM

Originally posted by: Zephorath

Originally posted by: DeTRiTiC-iQ

I can't stand JK2++

I've been playing on the Jolt JK2++ server because its the only guns CTF server which has decent pings.

WHY DID THEY MAKE IT SO THAT WEAPONS CAN BE USED AS AMMO PICKUPS?

You can now just stand on a weapon and in about 5 seconds your ammo will be full, even with rockets. It makes rocket fights rediculous, especially since your ability to use push is gone after the first 5 rockets. The Rockets in JK2 are balanced because its supposed to be hard to get ammo for them, JK2++ really screws this up.

I take regular 1.04 Guns CTF any day.

THEN CHANGE THE FUCKING WEAPON RESPAWN TIMES.
THIS IS NOT A JK2++ PROBLEM, IT IS A JOLT SERVER SPECIFIC PROBLEM.

Please excuse my lashing out, but blaming jk2++ for a server problem angers me.

Kthx

If server admins have to change the default weapon respawn rates to make things balanced due to changes made by the mod,it's a mod problem, not a server problem.

No, I'm sorry.
The problem server is not running default respawn rates.
This is not a problem on any of the other jk2++ servers, and if it was, we'd have heard about it, and fixed it already.

It's a server problem.

Exactly the new patch is making weapons so over powerful. this is a saber game right? Anyway to get Raven feedback on the new patch? It does really suck

I dunno, there are far more less SAF(super ass fighters) sightings now...


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ehhh heheh...im brand new to jk2...btw snake...is that you? lol

Bah, Ass-fighters were easy to kill 'cause they never looked behind them. Personally I don't care if the BS was nerfed, but the Push/Pull nerf seemed abit much. I mean, Pull downs weren't THAT hard to avoid. *shrug*
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Ass fighters, so what, they were easily defeated in 1.03, 1.04 is ok but far from the skill it took to use finishing moves and evade them in 1.03

The difference between this game now and when it first came out is that a saberist could destroy a flag guy or a guns guy if they could get close enough using a combination of force powers and sabre. To me that kinda made sense as isn't a jedi with a light sabre right next to you supposed to be at his most dangerous? Yeah there was some cheese but I rarely found much that you couldn't counter using your head.

The game now if there are guns available, you better use them if you want to compete. When I first started playing this game it always seemed like the guns were thrown in as almost an afterthought. Now the entire focus of the game is guns. Ask DSbr if they use Sabres in CTF?

Some of the stuff that people complained was cheesy and has been nerfed is actually what referring mainly to pull and push...was stuff that yeah individually would own you, but using "teamwork" could be countered. i.e. a flag escort pulling the jedi pulling you...or you pushing off your chaser. Those are the dynamics that gave the game a type of rock paper scissors type of feel that is no longer present...at least in a form many of us who loved the game early on are familiar with.


I don't have a problem that many people enjoy 1.04 as this is just my opinion. I am glad that there are players who are still enjoying the game, it's a good game. I just don't personally enjoy it as much as I used to, and no arguement or justification of balance right or wrong is going to affect my fun factor.

I like many other players will still occasionally fire up the game though not as often or as enthusiastically as I used to. I also am not out to "change" 1.04 because it's just a game and there are always more on the horizon.

It just honestly saddens me to see what was such a large community initially slowly whittled down patch by patch. I just hope that future developers take note and learn a lesson from this.


Post edited by TheMadZealot at 7/26/2002 11:35:00 AM

Yeah, the "let's nerf X to make the game more balanced... Uh-oh, now Y is abit overpowered. So, let's nerf Y to fix that and 'tweak' Z just for flavor.." setup that JK2 has followed is quite annoying. Nerfs and tweaks are all well and good, but sometimes you have to ADD something to offset the changes you've made.

I doubt there will be a 1.05 in the future that fix the problems I have with the game, nor will I beg or plead that they do. I'm going to try to learn the new setup like I had to with 1.02 -> 1.03. Of course, I still have 1.03 installed, so I might just play on those servers for fun and switch to 1.04 just for matches. who knows.....

I'm just relucant to stop playing this game that I really loved not too long ago.

Saber duels are a lot more balanced now. With 1.03 you basically waited for your opponenet to swing at you, pull or kick him down and super spin backstab till he died. 1.02a was all about just jumping with red DFA and spinning until your opponent ran into your saber when it was in the ground. Now that pivoting has been removed for all the special moves and damage is correctly ramped for ALL attacks, you can actually have a decent saber battle, instead of the lame one shot kill manuevers. I think Raven did a great job with this new patch in controlling the saber balance.

Yep Omni its me. the madzeolot makes the a great point. the game is gun focused now. all the they had to do was leave the pivoting, and reduce the pull/push. I mean a blaster vs a saber is in the blasters favor. wtf. this is a saber game. if they keep the patch then increase saber damage. the sabers take forever to kill someone with.

Ok, we've all had this discussion and what it boils down to is this:
1. Most CTF people hate the patch. They see how UNBALANCED guns versus sabers is. The CTF people that DON'T hate the patch were using guns anyway.

2. The pure Saber-only TDM or Duel folks love the patch. They have found some sort of balance with it and they are happy.

Unfortunately, JK2 supports ALL these gametypes. When you hear someone complain about something, don't just stay in your own little side of the JK2 world and disagree with them. Put yourself in their shoes and try to come up with a solution that everyone can agree on.