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Negative... Untill TWL gives an announcment of using the patch, I probably won't be upgrading. That and getting used to the changes for a match we have in a few days would be a pain, regardless of how small they might be or seem. ---------------------
Just copy your JK2 folder and paste it and rename it. Then install the patch. Then rename the patched folder to JK2 1.04 and keep using 1.03 as your default folder. When 1.04 becomes the norm, make 1.04 your default folder and keep the 1.03. That way you won't have to hassle with installing and reinstalling it. You can play whichever version you want by creating two different shortcuts. It's that easy. Post edited by PhaZe at 7/12/2002 4:47:50 AM
Yeah, I thought about doing that tonight. Would make sense to practice 1.04 even if it's not required yet, just to be sure the listed changes are the only changes. 1.03's readme didn't really prepair you for the huge change in combat physics that occured.
Still, I wonder why the patch's release isn't on the TWL news page yet. I didn't mind that the new maps were taking awhile, but patches are kinda important, y'know? :-\
In the first patch, they nerfed the Heavy DFA. No "pivotting". Call me a n00b or whatever, but I always ENJOYED "pivoting" a little here and there to get the extra horizontal range. I know the little touch deaths sucked a$$, but I thought it took skill to pivot just right to get your opponent. They also nerfed gunz a bit so that it took more ammo. Effect: I rarely use Heavy DFA because it costs too much time and throws me out of position when I miss it.
So I relearn the game and work hard at mastering the dreaded "Backstab" maneuver in both Heavy and Medium styles. Again, just by pivoting a little left/right you can really help you out, so I'm cool with that. I always felt that even though sabers had been nerfed, sabers vs guns was somewhat balanced. You still had Pull and it wasn't really in anyone's favor. There was a defense for just about anything which made it exciting. Plus in CTF play it was difficult to get close enough to a good gunz player because of Dark Rage + Spam.
Well Ravensoft caved in to the whiners that refuse to learn those defenses, and instead nerfed sabers yet again by removing the "pivot" in Backstabs. If this would have been the only change, maybe that would have been ok. I hated seeing sabers going around in circles at high speed, so it's understandable they wanted to do something about that. But it didn't stop there!
Not only is Pivot Backstab removed, but there's a few other changes of note:
1. Pull seems ineffective against someone with same level Pull. Duh! How many use level 2 Pull? Effect: Pull has been nerfed to only be usable as a weapon-stripper.
2. Saber blocking seems to have been readjusted. Backstabs (yes the ones that were already nerfed) do less damage as a result. Effect: No more single hit kills with a well-placed special maneuver. This is disappointing since it's already too much trouble to get close enough to an enemy shooting rockets at you to pull this maneuver off.
Net effect: If ever sabers had a place in competition CTF, Ravensoft took out every reason to keep it there. For a game called "Jedi Knight", expect to see a bunch of people running around with gunz shooting each other. I'm not sure how Jedi-like that is, but apparently that's what "people want".
Ravensoft, if you read these posts, stop redesigning gameplay! Make a decision and go with it! The more changes you make to gameplay the less enchanted I get with this game. I hate having to relearn the game every time you appease the whiners. There's a thing called "play-testing" that is supposed to help find all the needed "tweaks" to make the game more enjoyable. These aren't tweaks! You are using the community as your playtesting bed, redesigning the gameplay to appease every little whine that comes out in a forum post. You'll lose your hardcore gamers if you continue to do this. You can't please everyone all the time, so just do what is right for the game and put your fingers in your ears to drown out the llama bleats.
Ok, I'm done ranting, and this will be my last post on the subject except maybe to clarify what I've already said. I'm not gonna whine about the changes like everyone did about Backstab and Pull, I'm gonna do what every good gamer should: LEARN THE CHANGES AND DEAL WITH IT.
The Patch sucks. They only had to tone down the damage of backstabs. Now you cant pivot and it makes moving the view of your fights difficult. All you have now is light force guys with absorb using weapons and push pull and you cant stop them. The patch sucks. Now when you use any move the camera angle freezes and you cant do anything,. this isnt a shooter, its a saber fighting game too. All those little kids that cried cause they couldnt do simple things to stop the backstab have their way. The game is no longer fun. Its unbalenced now. If you have any gun, you can kill a saber guy. It was very simple to counter all the moves in patch 1.03. people cried, but it was not that hard and it evened out the gunners vs sabers. Now, its so unbalenced it sucks. To kill someone with a saber takes so long its funny. And absorb is now so abused since you cant fight someone that has absorb and push and pulls you. You used to be able to set up a great backswing to counter the light force absorb, but not anymore. So everyone play light force cause its clearly in their favor now. Post edited by ~~Snake~~ at 7/16/2002 9:03:31 AM
Not trying to throw fuel on the flamage but it is ridiculous how much gunz are enforced with this patch. Some pubers who dont have the want or desire to make this game what it could be and only play this for 5 miliseconds when there bored won this time. I really hope it doesnt happen again. But I suppose I will try to adjust to the new gunners game and put my saber up on the shelf.
Well good points there Gallium but you cant just "toss" out the saber because alot of people like using it because THAT is what seperates JK2 from Q3 or Unreal or any other FPS. Along with Force powers. Its a part of the game that shouldnt just be thrown away or nerfed to all ends. NCG is 4 3v3r, Raise up or bow down.
WTF is Raven doing to this game. Ok guns are better, about time. Sabers blows now. You can't do anything, the best move in FF sabers is to kick the guy to death.
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Of course it's good.
Much faster/smoother than base.
Just don't download it from out site, cause it doesn't have the updated saber damage, and rage was adding more admin features and a 'competition mode' so talk to him to get the latest.
Patch is great. Nuf said. Don't even know why u play ctf, sabers are and were useless in there anyway. I play duels and saber only servers. Its Jk2, not quake or Soldier of fortune. Screw that gun stuff, I bought Jk2 cause there would be sabers, not guns. Sry, but well, I like it. ________________________________________________________________________
Dont you read mace. the patch makes the sabers worthless. it takes forever to kill someone and the light side has a major advantage. The patch fuckin sucks. Plain and simple. Its unbalenced.
Where did I insult you? All I said was to not insult games that you can not comprehend. lol you take this internet shit seriously, if you think this is bad then you should see the real world.
Yep. Patch sucks.. I have now been playing it a little.. Found a cool thing. If you do a forward roll you can back peddel in the middle of the roll. That's kinda nice.
I also have more force power now that I am only level 1 sabar attack.
~Snake~ here is a perfect example of why I don't play CTF. I see CTF as the universal mod/setting whatever u wanna call it. Think of alllllllll the games that have ctf: Unreal Tournament, Team Fortress Classic, Counter-strike do an extent when ur on a hostage map, all the quake series, etc. Its the universal mod...nothing really new in any game except maybe the gun's skin and the name of the game. So, i don't even bother with ctf, because I find the majority of people playin em have just slid over to it from another games's ctf figuring it as a new challenge, or when they get bored of the old game. I'll come out and say it, they say the first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem. I am a STAR WARS NERD! Ok..there i said it. I got jk2 for sabers and force. Just seemed like a dream come true for me. The patch probably does indeed suck if u play nothing but ctf. But I play duels, ffa and team ffa all of which are sabers only. If ur complaining about guns losing ammunition...go play SoF2...there I said it. Flame on! ________________________________________________________________________
I'm the starwars geek.. LOL.. I joined Bastards of the Force because of starwars even though at the time I was playing Tribes. And I remember them all talking about the JK days... So finally jk2. Whoooooot!..