Armor ladder rule

Why does the defender have to choose armors first? To my knowledge, defender is supposed to generally be given advantages (choosing times, and map sides for the first 2 maps). In duels, there is no side choice, and the advantage in armor choosing clearly goes to the person who picks second (many assumptions can be made, and if the other person has intentions of choosing the same armor as you, you don't waste your choice on it). Shouldn't defender be allowed to choose second since they loose the option of choosing sides in duels?

Your missing the good advantage going first provices. You get your armor for 4 maps in a row, and if you win those maps (since its your armor choice, and all) you only need to win 1 more out of 5 to win the match.
Perhaps it should be defender's choice if they choose first or second? I personally prefer choosing first.

Erm, I don't really see the difference in going 4-0 then only having to win 1, and only winning 1, then going 4-0...

I tried to do a 3-3-3 which would have made it more fair but the majority did NOT want that and I was overruled. So since the majority wanted that it was out of my hands.. Sorry but thats what they wanted and thats how it is like it is..

I just went back and looked at the poll I did and to my suprise Free Bagel you voted for a 4-4-1 defender goes 1st and now you ask wy it is like that..

http://www.teamwarfare.com/forums/showthread.asp?forumid=17&threadid=6464

^^ See above

Post edited by =TWL= Kodiak at 5/23/2002 3:36:36 AM

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Originally posted by: Free Bagel

4-4-1

Free Bagel you just owned yourself.
Post edited by GhostX at 5/23/2002 3:38:48 AM

well, he may change his mind
(and may think before vote...)

the poll only had one 4-4-1
it didn't have a 4-4-1 defender first and
a 4-4-1 attacker first there was only one choice.

I like the 4-4-1 setup, only I would rather the attacker have to chose first. Like assman said, there was no way to vote for that on the poll.

The Ladder is 1st to 5 wins. So Defender has the advantage of choosing the armor for the 1st 4 duels in an armor that is to his advanatage. If he picks well, he can be up 3 or 4 duels before before the attacker even gets to choose an armor that is to his advantage. It's logical. Person who goes second may face a 4-0 deficit by the time he gets to choose the armor in the duel.

Right, but if you're gonna win your armor 4-0, you're gonna do it whether you do it first, or second...However, if you choose second, the other person may choose the armor that you're best at, leaving you with the option of choosing your second best. Plus, as I said before, you can make some minor assumptions based on the other person's pick. If they pick heavy, they're probably weak at sniping..if they choose sniper, they're probably weak at heavy..and so on...

r we supposed to post our choices in match coms before the match or do we pick in the server?

Originally posted by: S-M-Spiff

r we supposed to post our choices in match coms before the match or do we pick in the server?

I do believe I answered this in the rules :P.. No you say at time of match, just before you start defender will say what armor and once 1st 4 are done teh attacker says what 4 to play next.. You only select 1 armor for your 4 matches, you do not switch around different armors once you have said which one you want to play with for your 4.

The Defender normally gets the advantage on all the ladders and this one is no exception. I dont like the 4-4-1 myself and would change it if the majority wanted to do so. I will not change the fact the defender gets to go first but I would be open to change the 4-4-1 to something different as long as it allows for atleast 1 spawn match. I also do not want it over complicated with a 2-2-1-1-2 or whatever.

Post edited by =TWL= Kodiak at 5/23/2002 6:54:49 PM

The Defender normally gets the advantage on all the ladders and this one is no exception.

How exactly...?

Originally posted by: Free Bagel

The Defender normally gets the advantage on all the ladders and this one is no exception.

How exactly...?

Server preferences on map 1 and 3
They select 3rd map
Side selection..

I mean in this case...There's no side selection or 3rd map...

Don't argue about something you all voted on. Kodiak posted and let you all decide. 4-4-1. Live with it. Stop complaining. Geezus

Originally posted by: Free Bagel

I mean in this case...There's no side selection or 3rd map...

So that means even more that they should have a little more advantage since that is not an option..

Originally posted by: =TWL= Kodiak

Originally posted by: Free Bagel

I mean in this case...There's no side selection or 3rd map...

So that means even more that they should have a little more advantage since that is not an option..

Um...no. Side selection and choosing the third maps are definite advantages that the defender usually has. In duels, they don't get to choose side or third map...how is that more of an advantage???

EDIT: Ah, I see what you're saying...They don't get those advantages, so they should get others...Hence my point in the original post...

Originally posted by: Free Bagel

Shouldn't defender be allowed to choose second since they loose the option of choosing sides in duels?

To me it seems choosing second IS an advantage. I'd rather know how many I need to win for my armor, in addition to the points I've made before about assumptions and not wasting ur armor choice on something the other person was going to pick anyway.


But hey, it was simply a suggestion, one I'm obviously alone on, so no biggie .
Post edited by Free Bagel at 5/24/2002 10:37:28 AM

But hey, it was simply a suggestion, one I'm obviously alone on, so no biggie .

Great.
Post edited by GhostX at 5/24/2002 3:01:23 PM