That thought has run thru my head a little lately but there are several new teams on the ladder now that may have a harder time getting 12 when they may have been thinking about only 10.. I keep thinking about it..
this may sound a little dumb, ,but mabey we should have like a draft of sorts... like invite ppl to meet in a server for some tryout games (would have to do over multiple days just incase ppl have a bad day) and then have teams with low amounts of ppl do a draft...
this would definately take some time to prepair and such but it could help the ladder if we could impliment it properly
"so lets see kodiak is the admin and what he says goes..."
He is the admin (great comment!) but if he changes the rules and clans on the ladder don't like the changes, they will drop from the twl ladder and join another one.
We signed up for 10 vs 10 not 14 vs 14. Different style of play. Start a 14 vs 14 ren ladder if you want 14 vs 14.
i kinda agree with ghost on this one, we cant start expanding on a ladder that is still in its growing phases, id say wait until the community is well under way before adding anything else, it works quite well right now. like i always say..." if it aint broke dont fix it" =P
12 vs 12 it should be.
but if a team has only 10 then should be aloud to play 10 vs 10
but we had a match and the other team had the players there and they wanted to play but there captin said were playing 10 vs 10 and didn't want him to play because he thought he wasn't ready or somthing. But the matches should up to 16 vs 16 if the teams have the players and are ready. If they don't have the players then they can play 10 vs 10 the point is that IF THE TEAMS HAVE THE PLAYERS BRING THEM. If they don't then its not a big deal at least they have a team and they should be recruiting. Post edited by |AssMan| at 4/6/2002 7:00:22 PM
B has a large roster & we are still just getting 10. what's the problem with keeping it the way it is? teams can play > 10v10 if the leaders agree to it beforehand.
the problem is that some teams have more than 10 and other teams aren't recruiting or that have more than 10 only bring 10 even they have more. If its 12 vs 12 or even more than it will give more people a chance to play.
You can't say that every member of barx is getting play time when they had like 27 players at one time.
atleast more people would get a chance to play.
If I recall correctly, in feb the ladder started with 10 vs 10 to get things going. Things are gonng. We should consider making a 2 phase bump. Give everyone till june 1 to get up to 12 vs 12, then in August we can move to 14 vs 14. We need to lay down a time line to the original 14 vs 14 idea. Id like to get to a point where the matchs are bigger than t1 matches... thats why I play tribes 2 =)
Big matches.
Im hopping on Kodiaks side =)
stick with the 10v10. force the ladder to expand. this stops teams from acquiring huge rosters. non-starters are forced to decide whether they want to stay on the good team and not play very often or join the newer team and play a lot.
once we have a healthier amount of teams, then we can think about bumping the ladder up to 12 or 14.
spiff that is a good point, also we would have to look at this map wise, there are some maps on the lineup that just couldnt support a 14 on 14 match, i see no problem with the way it is now, if each team can field more players and want to then so be it, but if they dont it is thier choice, no need to force them to play more if they dont want to.
"he problem is that some teams have more than 10 and other teams aren't recruiting or that have more than 10 only bring 10 even they have more. If its 12 vs 12 or even more than it will give more people a chance to play.
You can't say that every member of barx is getting play time when they had like 27 players at one time.
atleast more people would get a chance to play."
Then shorten your roster! DUH. No need for clans with 10 to recruit. Maybe you guys should just recruit less and give new clans who can't field 10 the chance to recruit some quality players. And with the curreent rules you can field up to 16 i think if both teams agree. Check the rules. So you can play 12 vs 12 if both captains want too. 12 vs 12 is diff from 10 vs 10.
Ok chill fellas :P.. I am not gonna just go up and switch teh ladder size on my own and it may never happen. There are a lot of options that we can do and another could be below.
Make a new 7v7 ladder and bump up 10v10 to 14v14-16v16
This would allow smaller teams to compete on 7v7, build their team and work up to the 14v14 ladder..
This is your ladder, not mine.. I would never make/force a change like this without some type of official vote or something.. so no worries..
if we really want this ladder to take off we need to keep it the 10v10, , untill we have a larg base of teams and players... i have noticed a large increase in the amount of n00bs in servers which is a good thing over all... we were all n00bs once and now we know how to play, so in a few months this ladder should start to take off... so i think we should just keep it the same where the capts decide what to play b4 the match...
i agree - keep at 10v10 to encourage growth. trust me, clans like -B- are still recruiting so we can support bigger games.
i dont think 16v16 will ever be an option for t2 Ren unless both teams agree to it. look at the success of the base 16man competition. 14v14 requirement might even be too much. 12v12 is just about right - i wouldnt mind if we moved it up to this "eventually" but for now im definitely pro 10v10 until the ladder gets bigger ~20-30 "active" teams. realize that right now there's only really around 10 "active" teams.
I really believe that it should be left the way it is. If a team is capable of fielding 12/14/16 men they'll do it, if not they won't. Right now the system works.
Teams that can play with that many can, but those teams that can't don't get forced into it. If you bumped it up now, you'd some teams take longer to become fully active, some teams that they'll need waay more people so they don't even bother, more short-handed matches and forfeits.
If you leave it as it is now, it's very balanced. Both sides win. I actually think it's a strength of this ladder that there is this flexibility. That way the team-base isn't fractured as it is elsewhere. Renegades competition takes place on one ladder right now. Keep it like it is and it'll be strong for a long time.
Well if its left the way it is then the teams that have enough players should atleast bring them so that. Bigger matches can be played. Since bigger matches are aloud BRING YOUR PLAYERS.
if that ladder is going to stay 10v10... then teams rosters shouldnt get over 25 ppl on them... we dont need teams gobbling up all the good players they can find... then hopefully more teams will get created
I echo ^^^^. My feeling is the mod needs more marketing. I personally love a huge game, the most fun I have had ren or base is on big servers. Except firestorm which I like with about 10 per side, more than 10=more snipers LOL.
Lets maybe make a conscious effort to not crap on the base or base++, and get our mod talked about more on planettribes, and wherever we can get people joining.
I think a video that is readily accesible and shows all the cool stuff about renegades should get put on planetrenegades. Also, not my place, but if you are an admin, maybe put the link to planetrenegades on your servers startup screen, along with the links you put to your clan page.
I honestly have a hard time playing base.To me renegades was like getting tribes 3, or like 5 new characters classes added to Baldurs Gate. Why a noob would not want to at least try this mod is beyond me!
ps maybe link to docs manual for tribes also on your servers???
I wish teams could add more players, cause I hate seeing 9vs10 or 8vs10, it may be a victory but it still will feel kind of lame.
On topic, I think what the ladder is right now is fine, if u say must be 12vs12 VeNM would be very happy, but LBT and Bomb Squad maybe not very happy.
Maybe TWL could put a little popup for a couple weeks urging people to try Renegades???