A case for turning off baserape on pub servers

Now before you freak, hear me out:

We all know that to enjoy Ren you really have to play matches bc the experaince you get in pub games is at best spotty. The reason for that is pretty simple, Ren was designed with weapons and armors that are strong enough to punch through a well deployed defense. That is great when you are up against that defense, but in pub games where you have about 70% of players on midfield and offense it really all falls apart.

What makes matters even worse is that 1/2 the time when someone actually deploys they do more damage then the enemy ever could (useing all the FF and laser turrets in a basement etc.). I have noticed on smaller games where baserape is not on yet on our servers (15 players or less), pub games are actually fun again.

The fact is Offense (and baseraping) rules pub games. The nature of ren does not take into account what happends in pub games, the team with the 2-3 guys who decide to deploy win the game. Hasnt that got old for anyone else yet? Or do we just play for points and dont care about the actual game of CTF? (yes I know points matter).

I am sure we have all tried to bring friends to ren and after a few pub games they think we are complete idiots for playing the game bc the pubs are so crappy.

I really think its worth a shot to turn off baseraping for a week to just see how it works out. It would really balance out the O and D better, deployables would be put where they need to go and players who do play D would have to only worry about the flag.

Now I know the chances of this happening are about 0, but I just thought I would put this out there for other players to consider.

thats why classic pubs own... u really dont need armor to play classic descently... same thing kinda in ren, but for the team that has no base those players are usually screwed since the other team will probably have a base up and snipers everwhere... hell yestarday i was playing on kat and both flags had no ff's on them for over 2 maps... this shocked the hell out of me... and i know that their wasnt any sort of coridinate offence to take out these ff's if they were up....


is this a good idea, yes... shoudl it be implimented... that is too hard to tell... but probblay yes
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haha yak your sig is awesome... but yes good idea
Post edited by (Rag) at 5/25/2003 1:11:07 PM


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Ya good idea Yak, but the problem is that a lot of people will not agree

Good thing is if the Renegade’s Public Server has more than 40 people defense always seems to pop up somewhere: P

Again it would be interesting to have a spawn ladder or spawn server where all you do is play spawn maps: D

On classic pubs there is a firm no rape until 10v10 rule and it works very well because everyone knows it and respects it and the idiots who don't get kicked. Of course this would never happen in renegades because most of the people are too stubborn to accept beneficial changes because of how they think it will affect their ability to score points in pubs. Not to mention that the mod itself is fundamentally unbalanced (For example the base speed caps and deployable vehicles mean that there is little incentive to find cap routes, because a simple llama grab from a plane is just as fast). 90% of the time in ren pubs one team completely dominates the other team. Ren pubs were good back in the summer of 2002. I doubt that they'll ever be good again.
Post edited by Arcsim at 5/25/2003 1:19:50 PM

ok, I wana make a few things clear before you go spamming stuff:
#1 this isn't classic
#2 10 vs 10 rape is on is most servers
#3 Ski routes are very neccecary if you know wtf your doing... or have good defense
#4 usually if you cant rape defense becomes too strong...

So we should have a spawn armor only server that way none can complain
Post edited by Dogdrooler at 5/25/2003 1:30:28 PM

Do people not like deploying or something cause ive been in pubs where not a single person on my team is deploying. Eventually i will try to defend and i am the worst defender ever but someones gotta do it. The base rape can also turn on you if you have a newbie on your team though. On dbf last night i was deploying while our base was raped the whole time and they didnt cap cause they were too busy raping the gens that they didnt clear the flag. Then some newbie engy on the other team set all of there lasers in our gen rooms so we were capping with ease cause they were too busy defending our gens then there own flag.

Why hello there

dog what mod do u play cus skiing in ren is crap... for gods sake u slow down... passing is what u need
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Originally posted by: Dogdrooler

ok, I wana make a few things clear before you go spamming stuff:

Spamming?

#1 this isn't classic

That's irrelevant, I'm talking about the no rape until 10v10 rule.

#3 Ski routes are very neccecary if you know wtf your doing... or have good defense

I'm not saying that it dosen't help, on some maps like stonehenge and sanctuary it's extremely important, but the point is that due to the way the speed caps work if you just touch the flag on foot and boost off or jump out of a wraith you get away from the defense almost as fast.

#4 usually if you cant rape defense becomes too strong...

If all the borgs that would be raping to pad their egos with lots of points were attacking the deployed shit around the flag, I don't think the defense would get that out of hand.

ive been doing all my pubbing on the ren pub server and our base is up most of the time, flag gets grabbed a lot, close games

i think if this is implemented, it would suck

most servers dont allow rape until a certain amount of people join anyways so

i see absolutely no problem with pubs now, ive been having fun with teamwork, but there are the occasional people that change teams to kill D, O detters, v pad snipers, gen hungry borgs etc, just deal with it and do what you can to help, usually if our base is raped i find a noob repairing it before i get the chance to, and from what i can tell pubbing is just getting better
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as long as random teams is on there is really no problem...
i dont know if that is on in most servers but if it isnt, it should be... and if you can turn off team switching that would be a plus too...
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i think its a great idea to put no rape..

this is still CTF..

Base rape off mean everyone On Offense.

no rape = good,
except admins gotta fix the map lists so u dont have to play maps like aadvark

Originally posted by: ?Dro(\)e!

Base rape off mean everyone On Offense.

not everyone... who is going to chase the flag? or keep people from making grabs? this could be an interesting experiment
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which means all D on the flag which means a lot of O to break the D which means you'll have people in borg camping in bases killing spawners b4 they get inv anywas
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I'll just kill you in the inv

I have been pubbing a lot lately. And when pubbing me, bagel, and tex, have been gang banging in ceptors. If you guys were on a pub with us, you know what I mean. Well lots of times, we get really bored b/c the other team doesn't attack very much. Usually, the better players in the server don't wanna get raped so they lay d/play d against the n00bs who just go O...therefore the D always wins.

Baserape just isn't a major problem...looks like it's the new fad though, sounds like the detting arguement to meh.

Honestly though, this might promote even more snipers which could be taken as bad or good, depending on your point of view :P.

Originally posted by: ShoelessJoe

I have been pubbing a lot lately. And when pubbing me, bagel, and tex, have been gang banging in ceptors. If you guys were on a pub with us, you know what I mean. Well lots of times, we get really bored b/c the other team doesn't attack very much. Usually, the better players in the server don't wanna get raped so they lay d/play d against the n00bs who just go O...therefore the D always wins.

Baserape just isn't a major problem...looks like it's the new fad though, sounds like the detting arguement to meh.

Wait a minute... you guys were gangbanging with each other and you didn't invite me?