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TWL Member

2003-04-08 02:16

Ok i want to know about these things and these things only.
1. Neg points for dets
2. Possible change for nade shooter to be like classic
3. remove nav becon deployables to kill autowaypointing player scripts.

No flames and no other changed will be discussed
Post edited by Doc34thFIST-PH at 4/8/2003 2:18:19 AM

66thRsqSqd.

TWL MemberTWL Contributor

2003-04-08 02:24

I think negative points for dets would not be a good idea because if the n00bs truly are using them for points then they might actually get off their asses and learn to become skilled playerz. I have no issues with points 2 and 3. Who cares about points? I just want to win..

FuriousXGeorge

TWL Member

2003-04-08 02:37

1. who cares
2. no
3. no

Bring back random mortars!

/ducks

|Morbid|

90% chance i'm drunk

2003-04-08 02:39

I think if you suicide...taking your own life for any reason you should get a negative score. What you said doesn't make sense 66. The ONLY reason noobs det now is because they can get like 13241324 points for killing themselves. If they are no longer at the top of the list they will have to learn another armor to be able to score high. Ppl with tags have them for a reason...they are SUPPOSED to be near the top for using all the armor classes effenciently.
I think the auto beacon invos was an EXCELLENT change to renegades and I do not think it should be removed just because deployable invos are a lot easier to find (noobs don't always beacon them).

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 02:41

Originally posted by: Doc34thFIST-PH

Ok i want to know about these things and these things only.
1. Neg points for dets
2. Possible change for nade shooter to be like classic
3. remove nav becon deployables to kill autowaypointing player scripts.

No flames and no other changed will be discussed

Well, with the exception of nad shooter - possibly make the other things server options and play it out.

If peeps h8 the neg points and get their panties in a wad about nav beacons then it will come out, one way or the other.

But, if it's a server setting you have your bases covered either way.....

Free Bagel

TWL Member

2003-04-08 02:47

Uh, weren't we promised that the last large update would be the LAST, final, with big capital letters and certain cusswords in front of it, update unless some major bug was found?

I don't see any major bugs in that list...

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 02:48

Originally posted by: |Morbid|

I think if you suicide...taking your own life for any reason you should get a negative score. What you said doesn't make sense 66. The ONLY reason noobs det now is because they can get like 13241324 points for killing themselves. If they are no longer at the top of the list they will have to learn another armor to be able to score high. Ppl with tags have them for a reason...they are SUPPOSED to be near the top for using all the armor classes effenciently.
I think the auto beacon invos was an EXCELLENT change to renegades and I do not think it should be removed just because deployable invos are a lot easier to find (noobs don't always beacon them).

Yea, it blows - but sometimes in pub it ends up 12379 HO peeps from the SAME clan vs 678123 newbs.

What are you left with? Not much - just detting fools (like me, sometimes).

Fo sho, a clan that bases it's dfense on detpackers only is destined for a spot at the lower rung. Let's get off the bullshit train and accept it as a reasonable alternative under certain conditions.

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 02:49

Originally posted by: Free Bagel

Uh, weren't we promised that the last large update would be the LAST, final, with big capital letters and certain cusswords in front of it, update unless some major bug was found?

I don't see any major bugs in that list...

The beauty of software is that is constantly evolves (see, we have T2). Get used to it

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 02:51

i am not stating that i am going to do it. just putting out what i am willing to work on atm. And looking at the state of pubs detting is getting out of control. No shit i can say that i know of a team that does nothing but DET and will not get a clue. I say this to try to get them to take a time to learn a armor.
Post edited by Doc34thFIST-PH at 4/8/2003 2:52:35 AM

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 02:55

Originally posted by: Doc34thFIST-PH

i am not stating that i am going to do it. just putting out what i am willing to work on atm. And looking at the state of pubs detting is getting out of control. No shit i can say that i know of a team that does nothing but DET and will not get a clue. I say this to try to get them to take a time to learn a armor.

Def make it a server option then. Look at "The Elite Ren" as an example - Azatoth took away points for kills and the server was barren....always.

Maybe some kinda middle-ground is appropriate. But -10 seems a bit extreme. Iono.

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 02:56

Originally posted by: Zulu

Originally posted by: |Morbid|

I think if you suicide...taking your own life for any reason you should get a negative score. What you said doesn't make sense 66. The ONLY reason noobs det now is because they can get like 13241324 points for killing themselves. If they are no longer at the top of the list they will have to learn another armor to be able to score high. Ppl with tags have them for a reason...they are SUPPOSED to be near the top for using all the armor classes effenciently.
I think the auto beacon invos was an EXCELLENT change to renegades and I do not think it should be removed just because deployable invos are a lot easier to find (noobs don't always beacon them).

Yea, it blows - but sometimes in pub it ends up 12379 HO peeps from the SAME clan vs 678123 newbs.

What are you left with? Not much - just detting fools (like me, sometimes).

Fo sho, a clan that bases it's dfense on detpackers only is destined for a spot at the lower rung. Let's get off the bullshit train and accept it as a reasonable alternative under certain conditions.

Wll look from what i see team players do not give a shit about points. Those people most likly do not abuse dets. And if they did use them do not care about points cuz they use dets for a team worthy cause. Unlike alot of the people lately that just det for points in the ren pubs. Take away the point thing and they will lose its draw and go back to being used as a anti bord weap

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 03:01

Perhaps zero points is a reasonable alternative. Afterall, if you are getting mad raped you don't give a shit about points, you just want to stop the rush.

I guess the neg points was what kinda irked me. Zero I could live with :-/

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 03:02

Originally posted by: Free Bagel

Uh, weren't we promised that the last large update would be the LAST, final, with big capital letters and certain cusswords in front of it, update unless some major bug was found?

I don't see any major bugs in that list...

i ask the community AGAIN and you the person that begged for me to do that is the 1st to flame? why?

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 03:02

Originally posted by: Zulu

Perhaps zero points is a reasonable alternative. Afterall, if you are getting mad raped you don't give a shit about points, you just want to stop the rush.

I guess the neg points was what kinda irked me. Zero I could live with :-/

yea will that is the thing it was at zero

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 03:06

Originally posted by: Doc34thFIST-PH

yea will that is the thing it was at zero

I don't understand that Doc, but yea...zero sounds kew to me.

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 03:12

See the only avail way to detract is to take it to the suicide ation not the detpack kill. So atm we can not dock or null the points awarded for the kill. So to offset it the detraction was amended to the sucide action.

the current code is 0 for sucide that is why points are high now for detters
Post edited by Doc34thFIST-PH at 4/8/2003 3:13:26 AM

66thRsqSqd.

TWL MemberTWL Contributor

2003-04-08 03:14

Let me clear up what I was saying zulu.. Sorry I was work and could not concentrate.. I think that dets should give you negative points because you are killing urself and if you are penalized for a Tk, so how is that any different than killing urself with a det? Either way you are killing a team member even if it is just urself..

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 03:18

Azatoth had his server setup such that ALL kills resulted in zero points. So, you are saying that there is no way of distinguishing kills based on detpack and those that are not?

I guess you are, but it seems like there has to be some way - like TR2 awards points based on flag grabs....surely there is some API ....dunno, just a dumb user.

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 03:21

Originally posted by: 66thRsqSqd.

Let me clear up what I was saying zulu.. Sorry I was work and could not concentrate.. I think that dets should give you negative points because you are killing urself and if you are penalized for a Tk, so how is that any different than killing urself with a det? Either way you are killing a team member even if it is just urself..

True, but if you take out 5 peeps standing in a base (e.g. Raindance) should you then be rewarded 50-10=40 points? No.

If there was some way of zeroing out det pack kills that would be ideal.

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 03:28

*LOUD COUGH* Kod, I think this deserves a sticky as it pertains to the future of Ren by an author...

/End worthless Kodiak appeal.

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 03:35

we are working on making it null just det kills. and we will test it but i would like to get more imput b4 i go ahead and make it.

Doc34thFIST-PH

TWL Member

2003-04-08 03:36

Originally posted by: Zulu

Azatoth had his server setup such that ALL kills resulted in zero points. So, you are saying that there is no way of distinguishing kills based on detpack and those that are not?

I guess you are, but it seems like there has to be some way - like TR2 awards points based on flag grabs....surely there is some API ....dunno, just a dumb user.

Give us (RenWerx some time) and we will put it up on a trafficed server and see the what ups on it.

|Morbid|

90% chance i'm drunk

2003-04-08 08:56

obviously a point whore.

|Morbid|

90% chance i'm drunk

2003-04-08 08:56

Originally posted by: SlickVision
-235 points that is kind of a killer and bummer.

dude that is awesome, ppl with sick scores like that are usually l337 as hell.
Post edited by |Morbid| at 4/8/2003 8:57:32 AM

friedmunky

TWL Member

2003-04-08 09:38

ok points 2 and 3 that doc made at the beginning of the post I say... negative... don't do anything with that...

Now about detpacks and points... we're trying to encourage newbs not to use it all the time... which in turn makes them less likely to be called "newbs"

If it was possible to lose points only when it's a detpack kill... that would be kewl... if not... I say keep it so that you don't lose points any time you suicide...

I like it that way because now cappers and chasers are higher on the score board... instead of snipers and heavies dominating it... remember this is capture the flag not rape the base or get 3908490284 kills...

Here's an interesting alternative I just thought of...
Why not make the detpack heavier? Like the teleport pad is heavier than... an ammo pack... or a laser turret

maybe make it harder to boost three times and blow up 1 heavy + 3 teammates

IMO the only practical time to use a detpack is if you're getting whored by heavies... but people use it for fuckin everything now

another random idea... which IMO might put some skill into detting... put it on a 2 second timer... suicide and it goes off 2 seconds later... or less than that... this would give a skilled heavy enough to time to retreat a bit

*EDIT* the more I think about the above idea the more I like it... 2 seconds might be too long... but if this was implimented, the detpack might be more like a projectile weapon... the velocity of which would be determined by your player's speed...

Although still I think stay alive as long as you can is always best.
Post edited by friedmunky at 4/8/2003 9:44:20 AM

Xo|nix

TWL Member

2003-04-08 09:42

or this

make the det pack HUGE, like in t1 on their backs

and have it snipable, so BOOM, lol

friedmunky

TWL Member

2003-04-08 09:44

Originally posted by: Xo|nix
and have it snipable, so BOOM, lol

omg that's genius... detpackers vs. snipers YES

Unicron

Got pr0n?

2003-04-08 10:23

1. Who cares?

2. No

3. HELL YES

I think it's past time for the autowaypoint bullshit to be dealt with. If you can do it Doc then make it happen dude.

Jarvis808

TWL Member

2003-04-08 10:25

make it how it used to be back in the day... dets can only be used by burster... problem solved...

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"...worst capper/LD ever..." ZProtoss

TigerFury

TWL Member

2003-04-08 11:57

1. Yes you should have neg. points for suicides.

2. DOn't honestly care one way or another

3. Yes.

I do det to clear flag so It is a risk that has to be taken and I don't care about points but i think it will slow down all the Noobs from doing it all the time.

Zulu

L!qu!d newb

2003-04-08 12:03

Originally posted by: Jarvis808

make it how it used to be back in the day... dets can only be used by burster... problem solved...

^^good idea

^DaNny^

shoot you in bum

2003-04-08 12:07

question about 3: what would be limited for us? u said something about that a while ago

CuDa-

TWL Member

2003-04-08 12:35

how bout you make the physics just like er2

problem solved
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Tribes 2 14 man Classic [HK]c Hells Knights Classic
Tribes 2 Elite Ren 2 [GSG-9]

....the er2 snake oil salesman

Jarvis808

TWL Member

2003-04-08 13:22

neg points matter... least in my world they do... i think zooy like neg scores too =)

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"...worst capper/LD ever..." ZProtoss

friedmunky

TWL Member

2003-04-08 14:41

gah... everything associated with classic always has an asshole or smartass tone to it... too much reading tribalwar and stuff...

if bursters were the only armor that could carry detpacks then it would be much easier for heavies to rape bases... of course it would still be quite possible to own heavies. Like... ELF + rocket... elf + concs + rocket + vulcan... but because so many people seem to be oblivious to anything but heavies, snipers, and spawn... they'll all complain that now heavies are too strong because they can't be killed by detpacks or some shit

the whole point of making negative points for detpack kills is to make pubs more fun... there's a pretty big gap between the veteran players and the newer players so 1 newblood can ruin a pub for 20 other experienced players

|Morbid|

90% chance i'm drunk

2003-04-08 14:49

Originally posted by: Jarvis808

make it how it used to be back in the day... dets can only be used by burster... problem solved...

that sounds good to me...the boosters + dets equal lame. However, man I just say fuck it now leave everything the way it is. I don't give a shit about pubs anyway...let the noobs have their fun.

CuDa-

TWL Member

2003-04-08 14:53

Originally posted by: SlickVision

zero for TWL matchs.

dont think anyone cares about points in twl matches.. and if you do i feel sorry for you
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Tribes 2 Renegades (RETIRED) [HK] Hells Knights
Tribes 2 14 man Classic [HK]c Hells Knights Classic
Tribes 2 Elite Ren 2 [GSG-9]

....the er2 snake oil salesman

Glanzer

TWL Member

2003-04-08 15:22

How about only -5 for suicides? That's a good middle ground.

I'll admit that since suicides were changed to 0 I've been doing a lot of detting. Why? Cause it's fun and I never did it till Ren 2 came out. Now I borg 1/2 the time and det 1/2 the time. Guilty!

--Glanzer

NinjaQualos*

TWL Member

2003-04-08 15:24

I don't give a fuck about points in a TWL match. It's just that I usually play HO, and most HO, regardless of what team- winning or losing- Will eventually get a higher score; typically. please leave nades alone, and I dont know what u mean bout the 3rd point. Is that like waypoint scripts where u have like a dot on eveyrone?

Free Bagel

TWL Member

2003-04-08 15:26

Originally posted by: |Morbid|

man I just say fuck it now leave everything the way it is.